George Floyd Death & Protest/Riot Discussion


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Brandon H

I can't speak for everywhere but the riots in my areas near Omaha, Lincoln, and Bellevue Nebraska were very telling.

 

In Lincoln and Bellevue the police put down their batons and gear and joined in the peaceful protests and they remained peaceful.

 

In Omaha protests started peaceful until police arrived and started shouting commands and attacking people; that caused violence and destruction in retaliation that just didn't stop. The police made the situation worse with their actions; not better!!!

 

Sure there were a few bad eggs in the crowd that tried to be violent from the get go but other protesters would tell those people to lay off and they calmed down until the police started going ape ###### and began to beat and gas everyone....

 

90% of our violence was instigated and provoked by the police themselves .... it really is a telling story ...

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DocM

Detroit Police Chief James Craig, who is highly respected in and outside of the city and recovering from CoVid-19, is also talking about "outside agitators" taking over the protests. 

 

There have been signs of both the far left, far right, and foreign agitating.

 

Over 300 outright rioters arrested on Detroit.

 

Detroit NBC affiliate,

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.clickondetroit.com/news/politics/2020/06/01/officials-see-extremist-groups-disinformation-in-protests/%3foutputType=amp

 

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Officials see extremist groups, disinformation in protests


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Investigators were also tracking online interference and looking into whether foreign agents were behind the effort. Officials have seen a surge of social media accounts with fewer than 200 followers created in the last month, a textbook sign of a disinformation effort.
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An antifa activist group disseminated a message in a Telegram channel on Saturday that encouraged people to consider Minnesota National Guard troops “easy targets,” two Defense Department officials said. The message encouraged activists to steal “kit,” meaning the weapons and body armor used by the soldiers. The officials were not authorized to discuss the matter publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity.
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wakjak
11 hours ago, DocM said:

and on the other we have violent leftist groups like the US version of ANTIFA - which was classified a domestic terror group under Obama.

False.

 

That was Trump. Days ago. Falsely doing so.

 

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/formally-recognize-antifa-terrorist-organization-0

 

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Although Federal law provides a mechanism to designate and sanction foreign terrorist organizations and foreign state sponsors of terrorism, there is currently no analogous mechanism for formally designating domestic terrorist organizations.

 

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LaP
On 5/29/2020 at 2:57 PM, warwagon said:

 I just hope this doesn’t set a dangerous precedent. If you want to get someones attention and get justice done quickly, all you have to do is riot, Loot, burn down a bunch of business and cause havoc.

Justice is usually done quickly when there's strong evidences. Since when does the police wait to arrest someone who has been seen on video committing a murder? I don't know about USA but in Canada if there's video evidence of Joe Blow committing a murder he'll be in custody the next day if they can find him.

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On 5/29/2020 at 2:57 PM, warwagon said:

 If you want to get someones attention and get justice done quickly, all you have to do is riot, Loot, burn down a bunch of business and cause havoc.

That's what it's come to. America seems to enjoy ignoring peaceful protests involving minorities.

12 hours ago, DocM said:

 

The protests over cops who abuse their authority are good, but they need to be non-violent. Otherwise it's an exercise in hypocrisy.

 

Black people have tried the non-violent approach many, many times in the past, every time getting the same outcome. America ###### all over them. Nothing changes. Police still murder black people and face no real consequences of doing so.

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wakjak

 

Original medical examiner needs to be fired immediately.

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adrynalyne
14 minutes ago, wakjak said:

 

Original medical examiner needs to be fired immediately.

What did the original one report?

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techbeck

Could just be difference of opinion/diagnosis.  One of the reasons lots of people with medical issues, or car issues, get 2nd opinions.   Why there are trials to get more info and I am sure both coroners will be subpoenaed.   I dont see any malicious intent unless proven otherwise

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mudslag

Some people just want to watch the world burn. 

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techbeck
2 hours ago, timster said:

That's what it's come to. America seems to enjoy ignoring peaceful protests involving minorities.

I wouldn't say America ignores peaceful protest.  It is just the violence/rioting takes all the attention away from what the protest are about and that is what the media jumps on.  There are many peaceful protests concern Floyd but you will not see those unless you go looking for them.  Bad new sells

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Black people have tried the non-violent approach many, many times in the past, every time getting the same outcome. America ###### all over them. Nothing changes. Police still murder black people and face no real consequences of doing so.

Violence still is not the answer.  Floyd's familys said as much as well as many leaders and black leaders.   More people have been hurt and killed because of the protests and many of those who are trying to help. 

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wakjak
24 minutes ago, adrynalyne said:

What did the original one report?

 

 

"underlying health issues" and "potential intoxicants".

 

seems like first examiner is completely incompetent.

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Emn1ty
4 hours ago, wakjak said:
"underlying health issues" and "potential intoxicants".

 

seems like first examiner is completely incompetent.

When did you do an autopsy to independently verify each of their work? Don't jump on a result being true just because you agree with it, or one not being true because you don't. The facts will come to light in due time. Cherry picking which facts we believe or don't believe just adds to the problem.

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techbeck

Just your typical Monday evening with threats of violence towards local neighborhoods.  Have not had an 8pm curfew since I was a kid.  Hope everyone is having more fun than I

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DocM
7 hours ago, timster said:

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Black people have tried the non-violent approach many, many times in the past, every time getting the same outcome. America ###### all over them. Nothing changes. Police still murder black people and face no real consequences of doing so.

 

It is changing, but it'll slow to a stop if the extremist outsiders keep prompting people to destroy their cities - causing a backlash.  Those asshats have other goals. And that's not just a "white guy's" opinion, the black leaders of Detroit are calling it out too. 

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wakjak

Yep. White Nationalists trying to incite violence/riots...

 

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techbeck
3 minutes ago, DocM said:

 

It is changing, but it'll slow to a stop if the extremist outsiders keep prompting people to destroy their cities - causing a backlash.  Those asshats have other goals. And that's not just a "white guy's" opinion, the black leaders of Detroit are calling it out too. 

Piles of bricks were also mysteriously showing up places.   ###### idiots contributing and making things worse.

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DocM
17 minutes ago, techbeck said:

Piles of bricks were also mysteriously showing up places.   ###### idiots contributing and making things worse.

Detroit agitators not only brought boxes of bricks but uprooted railroad spikes, which they threw at cops in an attempt to provoke them.  Also M80 fireworks, which are quite powerful. 

 

Detroit's Chief Craig and Mayor Duggan have frequent contact with the legit local activists and has a good relationship with them, and will knock cop heads if necessary, but these outsider terrorist-wannabe's are in for a shock if they push it.

 

 

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FloatingFatMan

To get back to the root of this thread for a moment.  IF this cop ends up convicted, what do folks reckon his lifespan in jail will be? Personally, I don't think he'll even make it to his cell...

 

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DocM
13 minutes ago, FloatingFatMan said:

To get back to the root of this thread for a moment.  IF this cop ends up convicted, what do folks reckon his lifespan in jail will be? Personally, I don't think he'll even make it to his cell...

 

They'll likely put him in a Protective Custody Unit, which is what they do with child molesters & killers, crooked cops, rapists, spousal abusers, criminals who have turned states evidence, and other walking bulls-eyes. It's not 100%, but he'd live longer than in General Population. Lucky to last a week there.

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Steven P.
7 hours ago, warwagon said:

We need a non-bias autopsy. need to fly someone in from over seas.

Yeah because the 10 minute footage of the incident still has people doubting /s

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FloatingFatMan
57 minutes ago, Steven P. said:

Yeah because the 10 minute footage of the incident still has people doubting /s

Having seen the footage, I can confidently say, given my many many years of medical experience, that the victim clearly died of an ingrowing toenail... Exacerbated by a fat cop kneeling on his throat for a good 5 minutes AFTER he stopped begging to breathe...

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