Tran Posted February 15, 2004 Share Posted February 15, 2004 I've rarely needed to add anything to the default installation, but when I do feel the need I've got a several good choices (portage isn't finished). Portage? As in Gentoo's Portage? Man, if that's the case and if Portage ever comes to OSX, consider me switched! I love Portage! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliott Posted February 15, 2004 Share Posted February 15, 2004 I was just talking about things like ssh, gcc?, etc. stuff that's stock on most linux distros. I have seen people mod their installation though to get what they want. Also, I think it'd be cool to be able to change the gui. :) Just imagine if OSX used Gnome or KDE :p. SSH and GCC are there. Many, many Unix/Linux technologies are built-in. X11 will run PowerPC-built Linux programs in things like Gnome or KDE. Not sure if you can actually get the whole OS in it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFNE Freak Posted February 15, 2004 Share Posted February 15, 2004 (sry for 2x post)one thing i like about dells and other xp based laptops is somthing called double-tap atleast thats what i think its called... its when your over and icon you want you can tap the touch sensative scroller and it will select it for you. does the i book have any feature like this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEGAMEultra Posted February 15, 2004 Share Posted February 15, 2004 IBM's PowerPC chips don't rely on clock speed quite as much as Intel and AMD chips do. RISC processors are i bit different in that regard. Asking what the difference between the G3 and G4 is basically the same thing as asking what the difference is between Pentium 3 and a Pentium 4... amd dose not realy on clock speeds like inte. just look at the amd xp chips the 1.8 ghz runs like a 2200 and it even out peforms intel 2.4 ghz unless you turn on 800 mhz fsb and ht. Truth is amd chips and g4 chips are alot alike. In more ways then one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the evn show Posted February 15, 2004 Share Posted February 15, 2004 FirstSlacker you really are out of touch with OS X, but I don't fault you for that. SSH is a default component of os x, it's part of the BSD subsystem which is a default component - on Disk 1 of OS X. xCode is included on disk 4 of OS X. To become an SSH server you press the start button for "Remote access" box in the sharing preferences panel which says beside it "click start to allow users of other computers to connect to this computer using SSH". The ssh client is waiting for you in /usr/bin (I spent a couple minutes making a pretty bash prompt, but otherwise this is a fairly stock os x setup) I attached a couple of screenshots so you can see for yourself. I'm not sure if gcc is part of the BSD subsystem (which would make it a default item) or the developer tools (which would mean it's optional) but it is included with os x. I always install the developer tools at the same time as os x. Apple X11 server is included on Disk 3 of OS X. I'm reasonably certain it's installed by default - I know it's a check-box if you choose to customize your os x install. If you want to run KDE on os x it's as simple as "fink install bundle-kde" once you've got fink going. You could also apt-get it if you'd rather have binaries. WineX will not run on OS X because it requires an x86 processor. People have got a version of wine compiling for os x, but it's a very new project. VirtualPC remains a better choice for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEGAMEultra Posted February 15, 2004 Share Posted February 15, 2004 I would just like to ask I dont want to make anyone mad or anything but I would just like to ask. When you guys are makeing the switch to apple how old are your pc's? I mean whats so bad about pc's? I have used a windows platform for over 10 years I just love it. I mean one of the post says I just want to take notes in class surf the net and watch a dvd???? last time I checked a pc can do just that. And dont tell me its a more stable os. I mean when you make the switch to apple what do you have a old 500 mhz p3 with window 98? I dont think a person with an amd 64 fx or p4 3.2 ee would make a switch and say wow so much better. If anything switching to a g4 platform would be a down grade. I have done my homework I have seen countless benchmarks. So no one can tell me osx is more stable. I just dont justify spending $3,000 on a new mac. I have used power mac g4s and my friends g5 nice computers but i dont see how ppl with hiend pcs makeing the switch to apple. When ppl make the switch they sould also post what pc they were running what os did they know what they were doing with the pc. I mean you can give anyone who dosnt know anything about pcs a crap computer the end user thinks that a p3 500 mhz pc is as good as it gets then they switch to mac and say its way better and more stable of corse it it more stable you were running win 98 form 1997 in the year 2004 wtf of course win 98 is not stable its 7 ****n years old. And you try to instal a ge-force fx cards and use dx9 and instaling all this new hardware that is not compatable with this os. I would love to see someonw who could build a real computer and knows what they are doing with a p4 3.2 EE or althon 64 fx and make the switch. I would so love to hear what they would say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aldo Posted February 15, 2004 Share Posted February 15, 2004 PLEASE put paragraphs in your post. It's next to impossible to read them. Thankyou. I 'switched' (bad term, all I did was added an iBook) and these are the reasons I like Mac over PC: 1) I'm a huge Linux fan. However, Linux desktop isnt good for me yet (I've tried over 10 distros and I always find enough niggles to go back to windows on). OSX has a great GUI and all the *nix power behind it. 2) The Mac laptops are so much better than the hunk of junk that is PC laptops. The whole mentality behind them is "Let's cram a 3.2ghz P4 inside it and it will sell well - who cares t hat it will only run for 1/2 hour on batts?" 3) I have built a lot of machines for myself, and will be building a new PC for gaming soon - I'll agree Mac gaming plain sucks. Unless you like playing crappily ported, way to expensive, 2 year old games you won't enjoy mac gaming at all. Hopefully this will change with the G5 but tbh I'm not holding out. I ran Windows XP. Windows XP is not great at all. After a year or so of it without a format, it's a complete bitch. However, I have over 175GB of data on this PC which I just plain can't spend time restoring. Windows XP starts coming out with it's oddities such as it constantly installing the wron g drivers every reboot for my USB2 controller (= no mouse) and other such ****. Now I'm in Macland I can plug in almost any USB device (so far I've tried my 3 mice, 2 digital cameras and a friends MP3 player and they all work) I will probably move back to PCs once Linux is better, or my new gaming PC actually works well with Linux. But noway am I gonig back to a Windows desktop, and I'm not even touching a Windows notebook :). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the evn show Posted February 15, 2004 Share Posted February 15, 2004 When you guys are makeing the switch to apple how old are your pc's?I own several computers but the one on my desk was:Freshly built AMD Thunderbird sitting in an asus motherboard, half a terrabyte of IBM 75gxp drives in RAID0, gig-and-a-half of memory, 32x cd-rw, 16x dvd-rom, asus geforece2gts ultra based video board with tv-out out + 3d glasses drove a 15" NEC LCD, all running off a 450w enermax powersupply and packaged in a Lian-li pc-65 case modded with glass, UV-light, custom made IDE cables, custom made power supply connector cables, and about a dozen panaflow silent fans. The only heat sincs were on the ram because the rest was water cooled with a pair of black ice radiators with 120mm fans on each and solid coper water blocks (running inline - so no reservoir). For input I had a respectable logitec trackman marbleFX, and a logitech keyboard, and microsoft sidewinder force-feedback pro joystick. SoundBlaster audigy provided sound, and a 3com 100mbit network card kept it talking to everything else. I had an aging avermedia tv98 stereo providing cable television and radio services too. All of the hardware save for the tv card was high-end gear for it's time. I mean whats so bad about pc's? Hardware or the software? I'm happy to tell you about my feelings on both but not in this thread: it's way off topic. I have used a windows platform for over 10 years I just love it. I used Windows from about 91 to ~2000 as my primary desktop: I never loved it but it was good enough.I used linux from around 94 - 1998 as an "odditiy" and I liked it. I dual booted for a couple of years but it became my primary desktop shortly after Windows XP shipped. Before Windows 2.0 I used dos, and before that I used a C64. I've been around a little longer than you it would seam - so maybe I'm just used to different ways of doing things (I'm not saying I'm windows ignorant: in fact I have an MCSE+i for WinNT and upgraded to win2000). last time I checked a pc can do just that.Until recently PC notebooks didn't have the battery life to watch a full DVD. In my classes all of the PC users are still plugging into the wall when they take notes. Centrino and other low-power consumption notebooks compete with apple for battery life but I find that while ~5 hours is typical of apple notebooks it's the exception for x86 notebooks.Some people think that you can do it better on iBook/Powerbooks. They are very impressive machines. I have done my homework I have seen countless benchmarks.To be totally honest, I could do 95% of my daily computing on a P3-500 or G3-450 if I had to. Anything over 1ghz is fine for everything short of video editing for most users.I stopped caring about raw processing power about the same time I started having sex regularly in university. I'm not saying that it's bad to be big into processor horse-power but for many of us its not of the utmost concern. You don't have to convince anyone here that a high end PC is as fast as a high end macintosh. The notebook world might even be more slanted to the x86 side in terms of 'absolute maximum performance CPU available' but as anyone who buys a notebook knows: raw processing power isn't the only concern; often it's not even a major factor - falling behind size, weight, battery life, storage space, expandability... You've got to keep in mind that some of us have different requirements of our computers than you do so naturally things you consider extremely important might be trivial to someone else. So no one can tell me osx is more stable.Stability != speed. Some people measure stability in uptime. At the notebook I'm using now it's >10 days. Assuming you're fully patched up running Windows yours will be less than a week.I think uptime is a stupid metric - and at the end of the day OS X and windows are equally reliable most of the time. I just dont justify spending $3,000 on a new mac. Bet you couldn't justify $400 for a nice pair of jeans either. That's what's so nice about living in a free market economy: we're free to choose how to spend our money. Some of us like apple, some of us like Wintel. Some of us like Zegna, and some prefer Levis. It's just the way of things.When ppl make the switch they sould also post what pc they were running what os did they know what they were doing with the pc. Why? So you can second guess their decision and say "you should have bought X, Y and Z, and used software A,B and C"! That isn't very helpful to any of us. hiend pcs makeing the switch to apple.Hit me up on AIM or in PM and I'll tell you all about it.. I would love to see someonw who could build a real computer and knows what they are doing with a p4 3.2 EE or althon 64 fx and make the switch. I would so love to hear what they would say. That hardware didn't exist when I had a PC - but I did have darn near the cream of the crop when I finally decide to buy a powerbook. I didn't even 'wake up' with the intention to switch: I was buying a laptop to run Gentoo Linux on at school and then I was going to use my PC as a Windows XP box for development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirstSlacker Posted February 15, 2004 Share Posted February 15, 2004 cool, well like I said, I haven't had sh*t for time with OS X. but at least I know some of the good stuff is there now. I might have to go play with one l8er. Thanx for the screenshots and info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirstSlacker Posted February 15, 2004 Share Posted February 15, 2004 sorry for 2xpost, however is it just me or has this turned into a flamefest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the evn show Posted February 15, 2004 Share Posted February 15, 2004 NP. It's not a flame fest (i think things have been fairly civil), but there definitely is some contention in the air so you can be sure it's only a matter of time. I'd be really nice if we could have a discussion of OS X vs Windows and maybe x86 vs PPC but around here thats almost impossible. Maybe with a heavy moderator presence but even then its doubtful. That leaves those of us with strong opinions one way or another letting them leak out a little bit in threads like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoMayhem Posted February 15, 2004 Share Posted February 15, 2004 is it just me or has this turned into a flamefest? No, the evn show posted an informative post like he always does ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdsams Veteran Posted February 15, 2004 Author Veteran Share Posted February 15, 2004 http://alex.sfne.com/stuff/trackpad.jpg you posted the picture but you didnt answer my question, from the looks of it it seems apples do not have the double tap feature? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoMayhem Posted February 15, 2004 Share Posted February 15, 2004 you posted the picture but you didnt answer my question, from the looks of it it seems apples do not have the double tap feature? No, but there is an app that will enable it, along with scrolling with the sides of the trackpad... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the evn show Posted February 15, 2004 Share Posted February 15, 2004 Do you mean you want to "tap" the track pad to have it select items, and double-tap it to work as a double click? If so, then just turn on that checkbox that says "Use trackpad for clicking" in that screenshot. did you have something else in mind: i'm not clear on your meaning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEGAMEultra Posted February 15, 2004 Share Posted February 15, 2004 ok cool if all you need is a 500 mhz computer to do your work thats fine. But for me I need something much more. I big in video editing web pages a such. I work with my friend hes a lil mac fan. He owns the new g5 I have used it its a nice system a little pricey but its nice. I love the new look and the hardware but as for the os I hate it to me it sucks I would never make the switch. There is no need. I can do everything and more on my pc. I just dont see how so many ppl can have so many problems with windows. Its so funny I hear all the storys about the blue screen of death and how xp is not plug an play. You know you haft to keep up with the up dates and the service packs.I have absoultely no problems with my pc and you know why? Why because I know what im doing. I dont just grab any type of hardware and try to put a system toughter and load windows 98 se on it. If you going to build a pc do it right dont do it wrog and say its **** and switch to mac. Ppl always what to go cheap on pc parts and the os and expect it to work perfectly. But no when it comes to a mac they go all out and compair it to a windows 98 based system. I just hate it when stupid ppl like the mac switch ppl say stupid stuff like my pc never worked well hell it you had half a brain it would. Ppl just dont know and they say all kinds of **** about pcs it was not plug and play it was plug and pray. If you read the back for the system requirements half the time your pc would work. Ppl try to use usb 2.0 on xp with out the service pake 1 and say its **** and make a switch to mac insteat of being smart and know what your doing you figuar out the problem. I would hate to see a mac user work on his or her car lol. **** ford im going to dodge it has a more friendly ac and it has a 32 bit start up screen. If you dont know pcs dont get one slap it tougether in 10 mins an expect it to run right good night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuRR Posted February 15, 2004 Share Posted February 15, 2004 Funny thing is , hes flaming Mac Users but he can't spell Service Pack 1. Plus IMHO , most PC users hate Macs because its "Cool" to hate Macs. Just my opinion. I also thought that Macs were crappy but that was before OS X. After it came out and the iPod came out , I was totally suprised and decided to get a Mac. Not because I hated Windows (even though I don't enjoy it) but because OS X is better for video editing , photo editing , movie making etc. I didn't just wake up and say screw Windows, its so hard. I still use Windows but I prefer Mac OS X. I have bought 2 Macs in 6 months. The technology is far ahead then in PC's. Just because you are so 1337 in using your PC , doesn't mean that other people are the same. You say that people , should read the back for system requirements to make sure that the software or hardware device will work. Most of the time when I see some thing on the box that says Mac , I usually buy it because I know it will work. err don't have anything else to write , Im hungry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AquaFX Posted February 15, 2004 Share Posted February 15, 2004 i would really like to have a mac but the only reason i didn't get it is cuz of the games, other then that i am looking into buying one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdsams Veteran Posted February 15, 2004 Author Veteran Share Posted February 15, 2004 I also thought that Macs were crappy but that was before OS X. After it came out and the iPod came out , I was totally suprised and decided to get a Mac. same here. i used to be opposed to macs untill i got my ipod. its simplicty was amazing, but worked perfectly everytime. IMO i think the Ipod will bring alot of xp users to mac also, to join the flame war: i use xp everyday, and have been using windows since windows 98, and Linux since red hat 8.0... its not that my comp is bsod'ing every second and is unstable, its that osx is unix based, and it has a fair superior interface and i think that there is a much bigger future for OSX/mac than ever before in its 20 yr history Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoMayhem Posted February 15, 2004 Share Posted February 15, 2004 I would just like to ask I dont want to make anyone mad or anything but I would just like to ask. When you guys are makeing the switch to apple how old are your pc's? Mine was less then 1.5 years old, still not bad, just slightly less Mhz then my new iBook was :p I mean whats so bad about pc's? I have used a windows platform for over 10 years I just love it. I mean one of the post says I just want to take notes in class surf the net and watch a dvd???? last time I checked a pc can do just that. They can, the experience you get just is not as good. And dont tell me its a more stable os. I mean when you make the switch to apple what do you have a old 500 mhz p3 with window 98? I dont think a person with an amd 64 fx or p4 3.2 ee would make a switch and say wow so much better. Speed isn't everything, the amazing power of OS X even on slow hardware is amazing and makes the computer seem decently fast. If anything switching to a g4 platform would be a down grade. I have done my homework I have seen countless benchmarks. So no one can tell me osx is more stable. I just dont justify spending $3,000 on a new mac.G4s are still great little CPUs, the stuff you can do on a little 12'' PB is amazing.Where do you get these $3000 prices? Apple has 2 computers that cost that much. I am completly happy with my G3 iBook that cost $1400 almost a year ago. It was the best computer I ever bought, and one of the cheapest. I have used power mac g4s and my friends g5 nice computers but i dont see how ppl with hiend pcs makeing the switch to apple. When ppl make the switch they sould also post what pc they were running what os did they know what they were doing with the pc. I mean you can give anyone who dosnt know anything about pcs a crap computer the end user thinks that a p3 500 mhz pc is as good as it gets then they switch to mac and say its way better and more stable of corse it it more stable you were running win 98 form 1997 in the year 2004 wtf of course win 98 is not stable its 7 ****n years old. I was running a 700mhz PIII before I made the switch, 20gb hard drive. It did what I needed, but not as well as OS X can. I ran windows 2k and XP on it, I could never make up my mind on which was better. Windows 9x is, was and always been unstable, age does not make an OS loose stability unless you screw it up. And you try to instal a ge-force fx cards and use dx9 and instaling all this new hardware that is not compatable with this os. I would love to see someonw who could build a real computer and knows what they are doing with a p4 3.2 EE or althon 64 fx and make the switch. I would so love to hear what they would say. I had built 2 computers before I made the switch, and switching saved me money over the x86 platform. With PCs stuff is outdated way to fast and I always wanted to upgrade it. I dont even worry about stuff like that any more. My little G3 can run pretty much every apple program available today (Yes, even FCP 4 and stuff they they want you to think is G4+ only) I would love to hear what somebody who switched said to. Very few people are disappointed, have you been looking around neowin? Just about ever switcher loves it. You just need to open your mind a little bit and see how much more is out there for OS X ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toolage Posted February 15, 2004 Share Posted February 15, 2004 switching is a great thing! I switched in Nov 2002, but unfortunately, I had to switch back in 2003 because of school. Everything they used was compatible with windows only and had to switch back. I love mac so much more. You will never go back by choice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdsams Veteran Posted February 15, 2004 Author Veteran Share Posted February 15, 2004 what school did you goto ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEGAMEultra Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 Your getteing it all wrong I dont hate mac users I hate stupid mac users. And seem to be a stupid mac user. O and that one post that said something like slap a p4 3.2 in it and ppl will buy it. LOL LOL what was the all aout thats like sayn slap a g5 in it call the server platform a desktop and compair it to single processor desktop computers. Like I said if you dont know pcs dont buy one and dont flame someting you dont understand like the pc or linux or mac for that. I must make ppl feel stupid when I say I have no problems with my pc. They must think god im dumb I couldnt deal with little updats and find out what was compatable with my pc. Instead I switched to a mac. Just dont be surprised when linux with window takes over and your little mac os wont be no more but I love the hardware they use I would use it if I could just install windows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEGAMEultra Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 LOLOLOLOLOLOL Thanks for playing, Get off your high horse you the one who thinks your better then me. But its ok I dont know how you feel because i do know what I am doing thats why I dont switch to anything just because i dont understand it I dont hit it with rocks or spill milk on it.And its advious you dont have anything better to do then take offience to my clames. You must be one of the stupid mac users. THANKS FOR PLAYING GAME OVER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the evn show Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 what was the all aout thats like sayn slap a g5 in it call the server platform a desktop and compair it to single processor desktop computers.Does anyone here really confuse the Xserve which is the apple server and the powermac which serves the high-end consumer and workstation markets? I think that's just you.Maybe you should write HP/Dell/and friends if you want a multiprocessor desktop system. I think you'll have a hard time apple to stop giving powerful systems just because you don't think it's fair. dont flame someting you dont understand like the pc or linux or mac The only one doing flaming is you. the only one making ignorant claims is you. Why do you insist on breaking this topic? make ppl feel stupid when I say I have no problems with my pcSomeone is stupid here, but I don't think it's who you think it is.They must think god im dumb I couldnt deal with little updats and find out what was compatable with my pc No, I think "God, people who come to the macintosh forum and try to convince me that I'm stupid because I can't/won't deal with weekly security patches have some serious issues." Just dont be surprised when linux with window takes over and your little mac os wont be no moreThis has got to be a first. For the last two decades people have been saying apple is doomed and now we have our very own "THEGAMEultra" predicting not only that apple is doomed despite having $5 billion dollars sitting in a big pile and millions of satisfied repeat customers will but that Linux; something that's not even a company will what takes over. Amazing!Hey troll: don't you have a bridge with some billy-goats to be bothering? EDIT: broken tags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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