Fred Derf Veteran Posted February 13, 2004 Veteran Share Posted February 13, 2004 (edited) Well I thought i'd upgrade to a precompiled 2.6.1 kernel. I used apt-get to get the precompiled kernel. Then I edited the /etc/lilo.conf file. Although appently not very well. I see the lilo prompt and it says kernel 2.6.1 loaded okay and then it goes blank. Is there a last-known-good configuration? :rolleyes: I didn't see a timer prompt to choose a kernel, it went immediately. Unfortunately I lent my knoppex cd-rom to someone else so I'm downloading another .ISO file as we speak (or as we type or whatever). I figure I'd boot knoppix off of the CD-ROM and then fix the lilo configuration. EDIT: There's no particular point to this posting other than perhaps a warning to other users. But it does give you an opportunity to say "You're an $#$^@, Fred" Edited February 13, 2004 by fred666 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaKeY Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 You're an $#$^@, Fred Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougkinzinger Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 Um...yes......well......carry on then :blink: ............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kemical Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 Well I thought i'd upgrade to a precompiled 2.6.1 kernel.I used apt-get to get the precompiled kernel. Then I edited the /etc/lilo.conf file. Although appently not very well. I see the lilo prompt and it says kernel 2.6.1 loaded okay and then it goes blank. Is there a last-known-good configuration? :rolleyes: I didn't see a timer prompt to choose a kernel, it went immediately. Unfortunately I lent my knoppex cd-rom to someone else so I'm downloading another .ISO file as we speak (or as we type or whatever). I figure I'd boot knoppix off of the CD-ROM and then fix the lilo configuration. EDIT: There's no particular point to this posting other than perhaps a warning to other users. But it does give you an opportunity to say "You're an $#$^@, Fred" this is what happens when everything is always automated for you, you wont learn anything that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Derf Veteran Posted February 14, 2004 Author Veteran Share Posted February 14, 2004 this is what happens when everything is always automated for you, you wont learn anything that way. If the automation had been a little better done then I wouldn't have needed to (incorrectly) edit the lilo.conf file. In fact, if the 2.6 kernel came with a little installshield-esqe installer then we wouldn't be having this discussion. It comes down to the question of whether we should adapt (or "learn") to the system or whether the system should adapt to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kongit Posted February 14, 2004 Share Posted February 14, 2004 even I figured lilo out. Lilo is not difficult, but you cannot make any mistakes in setting it up or else you have to boot with a liveCD and change it. That being said, why didn't you think about "well this program allows my computer to boot correctly so maybe I should figure out how to use it before messing with it" . there are lots of places to learn about how to configure lilo. maybe you should look at them and figure out how lilo works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clonk Posted February 14, 2004 Share Posted February 14, 2004 If the automation had been a little better done then I wouldn't have needed to (incorrectly) edit the lilo.conf file.In fact, if the 2.6 kernel came with a little installshield-esqe installer then we wouldn't be having this discussion. It comes down to the question of whether we should adapt (or "learn") to the system or whether the system should adapt to us. This is I think the double-edged sword that linux users tout. On one end they want everyone to switch and use linux all day, but they also expect people to learn insane (for the average user) things! Why should a average user have to know how to compile the kernel for themselves, hell why should they even have to know what compiling means in relation to computers. We do not expect people to know how to change their oil, power brake and transmission fluid or rotate their tires or diagnose a faulty valve on their engine in their cars, why it is expected that these ridiculous processes are known? This is where microsoft has it SO right with windows update and automatic product updates, just click a button and you are done. Unless actions like this are implemented on every level of all linux distributions, then the linux community is living a lie to ever think 'their' operating system will one day run all computers, or even at a 1:1 ratio with Windows boxes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kongit Posted February 14, 2004 Share Posted February 14, 2004 We do not expect people to know how to change their oil, power brake and transmission fluid or rotate their tires or diagnose a faulty valve on their engine in their cars you really ought to know how to do these things. and some linux distributions are insanely easy. When I installed mandrake a while back it was easier to install than windowsxp. Of course i knew some things about my computer, but still I didn't have to install any drivers and everything but my printer worked. Dell has made me mad because my printer will not work with linux distro...I have a dell printer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kemical Posted February 14, 2004 Share Posted February 14, 2004 linux teaches users not to be lazy and to know their system. if everyone in this world were basic windows users there would be no future and large corporations could control the end user any way they want.. i dont want that to happen.. do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR_Candyman Posted February 14, 2004 Share Posted February 14, 2004 this is why you simply ADD the 2.6.1 kernel to your bootloader instead of replacing your existing one... On a side note, sounds like you are passing incorrect parameters to XFree86 and that's what's making your screen blank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjordan2001 Posted February 14, 2004 Share Posted February 14, 2004 This is I think the double-edged sword that linux users tout. On one end they want everyone to switch and use linux all day, but they also expect people to learn insane (for the average user) things! Why should a average user have to know how to compile the kernel for themselves, hell why should they even have to know what compiling means in relation to computers. We do not expect people to know how to change their oil, power brake and transmission fluid or rotate their tires or diagnose a faulty valve on their engine in their cars, why it is expected that these ridiculous processes are known? This is where microsoft has it SO right with windows update and automatic product updates, just click a button and you are done. Unless actions like this are implemented on every level of all linux distributions, then the linux community is living a lie to ever think 'their' operating system will one day run all computers, or even at a 1:1 ratio with Windows boxes! Linux more or less has the stuff under the hood right though. Even Microsoft is putting in stuff right now that *nix has had for 10 years or more. It's just the inside of the Linux car isn't that nice. It's a functional, stable car though that goes over bumps well, but it doesn't have the nicer inside Windows does. You also have to fix up the engine yourself since you don't get a mechanic. If there's some way we could put Linux's nice engine inside a Windows style interior, that OS would rule the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Derf Veteran Posted February 14, 2004 Author Veteran Share Posted February 14, 2004 this is why you simply ADD the 2.6.1 kernel to your bootloader instead of replacing your existing one...On a side note, sounds like you are passing incorrect parameters to XFree86 and that's what's making your screen blank I did. I left the original configuration there (renamed from Linux to Linux24) but I made Linux26 the default. What I didn't notice that the timer was set to 0. I was slightly annoyed that there didn't seem to be a F8 key to press or anything. It's not a big thing. Well it wouldn't have been a big thing if I hadn't given someone my knoppix CD. My problem was that: a) I've never edited lilo.conf before b) it seemed similar enough to boot.ini c) I edited it in about 15 seconds d) I then realized I had no CD to boot from as a backup If I had actually read the file and taken more than 15 seconds then it wouldn't have been a problem. I was merely pointing out that the equivilent Windows function would have come with an installshield. There is no doubt that Linux IS rough around the edges. I won't consider Linux "ready" for the masses until EVERY conf file has a GUI control panel. Yes text files are good for advanced users but they allow mistakes to happen (even if they are MY mistakes). For the record. I consider myself far advanced from a "normal" user. Feel free to post "then stick to Windows..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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