Spykes424 Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 Me and my folks are trying to work something out. I might be able to get a new 17" iMac. Now the memory on that sucks. And for 1G of ram is $360!!! :o Is there any other 3rd party mem thats just as good as apples. Or can i add memory later? after i have it? Also what about an airport card? Can i have regular or do i need extreme? And will it work with a windows comp/linksys wireless router? Also does it come with panther and ilife 04? brand new? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoMayhem Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 Of course you can get it cheaper. I got my ram from macsales.com, it works great :p You will need the airport extreme card, but any 802.11b/g AP or router type thing will work perfect ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the evn show Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 Any old 3rd party DDR memory will do the job. Micron, Crucial (made by Micron), and Kingston sticks come highly recommended. Apple doesn't make their own RAM, at least in my powerbook apple shipped a Micron stick. You can add more memory whenever you want. There is a nice set of pictographic instructions in the manual: even you mom could do it if she's comfortable with a screwdriver. The new iMac only ships with airport extreme. You could probably find a bluetooth dongle you can hang out the back, but for an internal solution AE is the only choice. Airport is apples implementation of 802.11b which is a standard for wireless networking the same way (if my memory of project 802 holds) that apple's implementation of ethernet follows the spec for 802.3 - CSMA/CD. 802.11g is just another standard, and it's fully backward compatible with 802.11b, Apple called their version Airport Extreme. You can use any 802.11b base station with your airport extreme card - if you want then you'll want an 802.11g base station. There are some people who spread FUD about company X, Y, or Z not supporting their products with OS X but I haven't found any evidence to support that. In fact Linksys has instructions on their website and have provided me with phone-support several times despite claims to the contrary. All new apple computers ship with 10.3 and iLife '04. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spykes424 Posted February 16, 2004 Author Share Posted February 16, 2004 ok, so i abosoluty need a extereme card? i think i have b not g. but i dono. i have cable (roadrunner/brighthosue). ok so its easy to add memory to an imac? i thought it wud be hard cuz o the lil hub and the montior stuck to it and all. also do imacs ship with a extreme card? or do i have to buy that? also whud i need a bluetooth dongle for anything? i have a bluetooth phone but thats about it right? also wud i need a firewall? since its a mac i wud think not, but do i need to worry about spyware/viruses that much? and if i needed norton wud the pc version install on a mac? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoMayhem Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 ok, so i abosoluty need a extereme card? i think i have b not g. but i dono. i have cable (roadrunner/brighthosue). ok so its easy to add memory to an imac? i thought it wud be hard cuz o the lil hub and the montior stuck to it and all. also do imacs ship with a extreme card? or do i have to buy that? also whud i need a bluetooth dongle for anything? i have a bluetooth phone but thats about it right? also wud i need a firewall? since its a mac i wud think not, but do i need to worry about spyware/viruses that much? and if i needed norton wud the pc version install on a mac? Yes, the Airport card wont fit in an iMac. You could also use a crappy USB adapter, the belkin and netgear ones can be made to work on OS X, but just getting the Airport Extreme card would be better ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fonzie Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 the evn show; the last time I bought ram I bought sd-ram atleast that's what it says in About This Mac. can I verify what type of memory I have? Is there something called DDR SD-RAM ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the evn show Posted February 17, 2004 Share Posted February 17, 2004 Memory: ----------- There is SD-RAM and DDR SD-RAM. There are other kinds, but they're not in common use anymore. Without getting into details, DDR and regular old SD-RAM are similar, but not compatible. The easiest way to figure out what you last purchased is to tell us what kind of computer you put it into. The about this mac window and system profile aren't much help. Sometimes companies don't specify DDR and just call it something like: PC-2100 SD-RAM. You know it's DDR has a "big" PC-number (bigger than 2000). Normal SD-RAM has ratings like PC-100, PC-133, and occasionally PC-150. DDR memory has ratings from PC-2100 up to PC-400. If you're buying memory for iMac you need PC-2100 DDR SD-RAM. Anything fast should work fine, but apple doesn't make any promises and niether do I. I hope that's not too confusing. Bluetooth -------- If I were you I'd just have apple include the bluetooth adapter when you order it. The beauty of the imac is that there are no dangly bits sticking out the back. You have power going to it, and thats it! Built in airport extreme is just as good as any other option, the built in bluetooth great (and fully supported by os x). You have one cable going to the keyboard, and one cable conencting the mouse to the keyboard. You can even get rid of those by opting for the apple bluetooth keyboard and mouse (or someoone else's bluetooth hardware). The leaves just one cable to connect to your speakers. NeoMayhem was talking about airport extreme but I think it applies to bluetooth too: Just let apple put the gear in, save yourself the trouble because it's not as nice, and not really any cheaper. Firewall ------- If you have a wireless base station then it should provide all the firewall you need. Even if someone with a PC got infected with a virus, it wouldn't be able to do anything to you so there's not much to worry about. If you're really paranoid you can turn on the built in OS X firewall. It's using the same software that are in those routers/access points you buy. IMO anything beyond the firewall on your wireless base-station is overkill, especially for a Macintosh. Norton Utilities ---------------- The PC version will not install on your macintosh. Fortunately you really don't need it. OS X de-fragments files whenever you open them. It automatically checks for file system errors after a certain number of reboots or time passed. If you leave your computer on all the time it will even clear out temporary files, delete old logs, and generally take care of itself. If you want you can always run those scripts yourself (I'll add them to the FAQ we're writting) and do manual maintenance/backups. OS X includes just about everything you need. If you just can't get away from all that jazz, people have said "techtool 4" is pretty good. I don't use it or know anyone who does so I won't comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spykes424 Posted February 17, 2004 Author Share Posted February 17, 2004 wow. i want one. now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spykes424 Posted February 17, 2004 Author Share Posted February 17, 2004 ok, if i do get one, do u guys recommend any accesories that i MUST have asap? ill probably get a mem upgrade & bluetooth dongle, so anything else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the evn show Posted February 17, 2004 Share Posted February 17, 2004 SuperDrive: Because it can be a real pain to upgrade later, and because all the apple software doesn't play nicely with external drives it makes sense to get one now if you have any interest in working with dvd-r. Even if you don't, I find the slickness of iMovie+iPhoto+iDvd+GarageBand makes you want to learn. You don't need it, but I think it's a good idea. iPod. Some people would do two chicks at the same time if they had a million dollars. I would by an iPod (because I don't want to make that much breakfast the next morning ;)) You don't need it, but life is better with a soundtrack. If you're coming from the windows or worse yet, linux world then you're going to want a two+ button mouse - you might as well go bluetooth. Logitech makes some good gear but some people prefer the microsoft kit. You're choice really, but it will make the switch much less painful. The Apple wireless keyboard is pure slickness: it's optional, but it will keep your desk looking that much better. One of those usb keychain drives might be a good idea too if you don't have one already. Burning CDs can get pretty wasteful, and floppy drives on macs have been nonexistent for 5+ years now. If you have small files to drag around with you then one of these little guys are the answer. Best of all they cost almost nothing: $0.50 per megabyte or less. 32mb is usually enough - but 128mb is better. Then there are some really optional things (DVCamera, digital camera, usb 'midi' keyboard, eyeTV) but you'll figure out if you want/need those later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted February 17, 2004 Share Posted February 17, 2004 iPod. Some people would do two chicks at the same time if they had a million dollars.I would by an iPod(because I don't want to make that much breakfast the next morning ;)) HAHAHA! That was a good'un. :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spykes424 Posted February 17, 2004 Author Share Posted February 17, 2004 SuperDrive: Because it can be a real pain to upgrade later, and because all the apple software doesn't play nicely with external drives it makes sense to get one now if you have any interest in working with dvd-r. Even if you don't, I find the slickness of iMovie+iPhoto+iDvd+GarageBand makes you want to learn. You don't need it, but I think it's a good idea.iPod. Some people would do two chicks at the same time if they had a million dollars. I would by an iPod (because I don't want to make that much breakfast the next morning ;)) You don't need it, but life is better with a soundtrack. If you're coming from the windows or worse yet, linux world then you're going to want a two+ button mouse - you might as well go bluetooth. Logitech makes some good gear but some people prefer the microsoft kit. You're choice really, but it will make the switch much less painful. The Apple wireless keyboard is pure slickness: it's optional, but it will keep your desk looking that much better. One of those usb keychain drives might be a good idea too if you don't have one already. Burning CDs can get pretty wasteful, and floppy drives on macs have been nonexistent for 5+ years now. If you have small files to drag around with you then one of these little guys are the answer. Best of all they cost almost nothing: $0.50 per megabyte or less. 32mb is usually enough - but 128mb is better. Then there are some really optional things (DVCamera, digital camera, usb 'midi' keyboard, eyeTV) but you'll figure out if you want/need those later. - if i was to get a mac it be a 17 imac, which has a superdrive - have an ipod. love it - the mac mouse doesnt right click? can u even right click on a mac? i have a logitech wireless keyboard and mouse (2-button) already i cud use. - well cudnt i transfer files over a wireless network from pc to mac? -got a dvcamera, digicamera, usb midi keyboard (maybe for xmas or something? nothing serious), wth is an eyeTV? ive seen the isights and there perdy slick, but whats an eyeTV? :yes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the evn show Posted February 17, 2004 Share Posted February 17, 2004 The apple mouse only has one button. I'm using an 8 button trackball with my powerbook and a 4 button mouse on an ibook: all features work as you would expect. When I said transfer files I meant from your house to work, not between computers. eyetv: http://www.elgato.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fonzie Posted February 17, 2004 Share Posted February 17, 2004 The easiest way to figure out what you last purchased is to tell us what kind of computer you put it into. The about this mac window and system profile aren't much help. It is an 17" iMac. I followed the onscreen instructions on www.crucial.com and they directed me to SD-RAM. Not DDR SD-RAM. Atleast they didn't tell me that it was DDR SD-RAM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Posted February 17, 2004 Share Posted February 17, 2004 There are some people who spread FUD about company X, Y, or Z not supporting their products with OS X but I haven't found any evidence to support that. In fact Linksys has instructions on their website and have provided me with phone-support several times despite claims to the contrary.All new apple computers ship with 10.3 and iLife '04. Call if FUD if you want...whatever makes you sleep at night, but Linksys does not officially support OS X. They have a couple documents on their support page that are a couple years old. Gosh...some support. None of the products state they are supported by OS X on the box either. Windows is required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spykes424 Posted February 17, 2004 Author Share Posted February 17, 2004 OMG TiVo on a Mac! Can you say SAAAWWEEEETTTTT?!?!?!?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the evn show Posted February 17, 2004 Share Posted February 17, 2004 It is an 17" iMac. I followed the onscreen instructions on www.crucial.com and they directed me to SD-RAM. Not DDR SD-RAM. Atleast they didn't tell me that it was DDR SD-RAM. 256MB of PC2700 (333MHz) DDR SDRAM; supports up to 1GB Source: http://www.apple.com/imac/specs.html That's what you need if you want to add memory to a 17" iMac. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fonzie Posted February 17, 2004 Share Posted February 17, 2004 Source: http://www.apple.com/imac/specs.htmlThat's what you need if you want to add memory to a 17" iMac. dang. okay - thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoMayhem Posted February 17, 2004 Share Posted February 17, 2004 Call if FUD if you want...whatever makes you sleep at night, but Linksys does not officially support OS X. They have a couple documents on their support page that are a couple years old. Gosh...some support. None of the products state they are supported by OS X on the box either. Windows is required. D-Link and Netgear both have instructions for setting up OS X with their routers, I am pretty sure that linksys did to... But even if they dont support it, it will still work fine ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Posted February 17, 2004 Share Posted February 17, 2004 D-Link and Netgear both have instructions for setting up OS X with their routers, I am pretty sure that linksys did to...But even if they dont support it, it will still work fine ;) No, Linksys doesn't include directions on how to set up the router in OS X, because they don't support OS X. How hard is this for people to understand. There's info on 98, ME, 2000 and XP. No Macintosh...period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
divinatum Posted February 18, 2004 Share Posted February 18, 2004 my old arcaic Linksys BEFSR-11 (1 Port router) and my ****ty D-Link DI-614+ (Rev. B) both work fine with osx. if you have a desktop, i wouldn't get the Airport Extreme, to me that just seems like a waste. unless you absolutly cant run wires to the machine, but if you can, save the 100 bucks and get a bluetooth mouse/keyboard :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
divinatum Posted February 18, 2004 Share Posted February 18, 2004 No, Linksys doesn't include directions on how to set up the router in OS X, because they don't support OS X. How hard is this for people to understand. There's info on 98, ME, 2000 and XP. No Macintosh...period. if you need help setting up OSX to get an IP address from the router..... :unsure: :unsure: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mipra Posted March 31, 2004 Share Posted March 31, 2004 Times to bring the old thread back :D. I have a question for u guys mac fan....is it possible to use a PC memory for Apple? I have a powerbook 12 inch and I'm planning to upgrade the memory to 768. I have an IBM stick 256mb spare. Is it possible to use it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoMayhem Posted March 31, 2004 Share Posted March 31, 2004 Yeah, if it is the same type of ram. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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