MG-Cloud Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 Try me. Do you want a list of distributions I've been using? Do you want to know what my first kernel was? Do you want to know how I got started? Not particularly. I could care less. The hypocrisy behind your paper-thin arguments is, quite frankly, amusing: On every occasion, I have made a bona fide effort to contribute positively and constructively to the discussions on neowin. My efforts are met with vitriol and ridicule and I have no choice but to defend myself against these baseless and unjustified attacks. Hahahahahahahahahahaha That's amusing. Actually what happens when you report a bug or an issue is that the project team ignores the problem for a few months until they decide that it's time to re-write everything from scratch, thereby re-introducing your problem and hundreds of other bugs. I am unclear how this constitutes progress, but then again Linux users have never been bothered by such troublesome trivialities as "making sense". *Shrugs* But then again, when you're trolling, it's not actually required to make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
htmc Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 All of that can be made up...and franctly I don't care anywaysYet again I don't care...there is a difference between using and knowing HOW to use. Really I feel sorry for those servers since it's obvious you don't care what happens to them with posts such as "smash your computer with a brick". How would it inflame the discussion further? Everybody's always against you without him saying that. I doubt anybody else will get involved because of his post. Believe it or anot a lot of people are simply too dense to notice irony on their own. I'm sure you didn't when you typed your speach. To clarify, I'm responding solely because, quite franctly, You're being a nuissance to people who want to learn and have valid questions. I was going to do a point-by-point rebuttal of your incoherent, ungrammatical blithering, but your snide, arrogant tone ended up being more pathetic than irritating. My point isn't to troll these forums. My intention is to inject a small measure of perspective into the discussions. Linux isn't the holy grail. Some people find that difficult to tolerate. I hope you won't be so petty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MG-Cloud Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 but your snide, arrogant tone ended up being more pathetic than irritating. That was even more funny than the first one :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
htmc Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 MG-Cloud: Hey look, I'm not the only one who thinks this way. I'll just wait for you to say "jwz!? what does he know!? he's an idiot". Only then will the cycle be complete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markwolfe Veteran Posted February 21, 2004 Veteran Share Posted February 21, 2004 Please, Don't Feed the Troll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MG-Cloud Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 I never said your point was wrong. I was simply pointing out the hypocrisy in your complaints of how your "always constructive" comments are met with a less-than-favourable response, based on a comment that can't possibly be construed as being constructive (not only is it off topic and non-helpful, but it was posted *after* the topic's problem was solved). In regards to your point though (now that you mention it): I do agree the response time on many bug reports is less than optimal. However, show me any company/entity/whatever that has a large customer base with a 100% tech support record. It's inevitable that some things slip through the cracks. Steps are being taken to hopefully improve this in the future (eg. Bug Days, etc). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bladerunner81 Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 As (some sort of) a linux 'developer', I'm very proud of your ability to recognize that I was, in fact, posting things on purpose. I'm unclear as to how I could be posting numerous messages by accident, short of having the same kind of intellectual tourettes that many neowin readers seem to be plagued by.However, I like the way you criticize my 'insults' by insulting me, and deride me for failing to contribute in any meaningful way to the discussions here by writing vague, insubstantial drivel that fails to address anything I've written or to make any kind of positive case. Keep up the good work! quite interresting flamewar you are fighting here, but of no real interrest or improvement for tons of users out there. and an insult of the hard work people put into their programs to make them better, to improve handling and to fix bugs. i'm not able to find anything ironic in your first comment in this thread (didn't bother to read another one of you), sounds more like sarcasm and insult. a user came to this forums for help, and everything you have in spare for him is laughter. as for your accousement of me trying to insult you: i still try to get the finer points of english language (for i am no native speaker), but i for my part am not able to find any offending parts in my reply. i left you room to correct me if i was mistaken. but you seem only to be interested in "having a good go on all those linux-trolls out there" as i think you would formulate it if you would not try to raise yourself above all others by writing spectacular essays worth the publizer price for excellent forumulation. so please excuse one little worm not beeing able to use this language to those heights you drive it and PLEASE stop your rant NOW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
htmc Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 I never said your point was wrong. I was simply pointing out the hypocrisy in your complaints of how your "always constructive" comments are met with a less-than-favourable response, based on a comment that can't possibly be construed as being constructive (not only is it off topic and non-helpful, but it was posted *after* the topic's problem was solved).In regards to your point though (now that you mention it): I do agree the response time on many bug reports is less than optimal. However, show me any company/entity/whatever that has a large customer base with a 100% tech support record. It's inevitable that some things slip through the cracks. Steps are being taken to hopefully improve this in the future (eg. Bug Days, etc). It's not a question of response time being sub-optimal or of things slipping through the cracks. It's a question of nonexistent response times and deliberately ignoring the bugs. Redhat isn't the only organization to do this, but their example is particularly reprehensible because they are a business that is being paid for this software and for their technical support. Almost all open source/free software projects are plagued by this behaviour. It's a consequence of a flaw inherent in the approach and isn't easily excised. Even projects that try hard to avoid such pitfalls through technological means will fall prey to it. The Mozilla Project is a prime example. It was created to prove to the world the viability of the open source development model. Here, it was thought, was a chance to show how an open, collaborative project could change the way we live, work and play. It took them five years to release a browser that was ready for mass-adoption, and there are still many people (myself included) who are hesitant about switching. Microsoft, for all its problems and the long delays in releasing critical patches, doesn't do anything nearly this bad. And even if it did, since when as "microsoft does it so it's okay if we do it too" been an excuse for anything? I thought the whole point of open-source and free software was that it's *better* than the alternatives. Measures like "bug days" are only stop-gap measures and bandages that don't address the underlying issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kongit Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 this isn't the place to discuss your misplaced problems with opensource. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
htmc Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 http://web.utk.edu/~tthomp11/troll.gifthis isn't the place to discuss your misplaced problems with opensource. This posts violates Neowin Rules #4 and #5 and is a continued effort to disrupt meaningful discussion. The previous several posts were serious and thoughtful, this individual insists on ruining the thread. Kongit: why do you insist on stirring up mischief? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bladerunner81 Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 /me asks, what sense there is in this "discussion" (as you like to call it). the issue adressed originally in this thread got solved, and all the rest is just OT. and beside the image he put in here (insulting that one [although its quite... ahm... sort of funny?]) i agree with kongit: you have a problem with opensource. ok, really not my problem. rant on. but in private, and please stop trying to convert everybody to your sight of things. men are intelligent (some are, that is), your attitude reminds me of the beginning of the holy inquisition... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
configure Veteran Posted February 21, 2004 Veteran Share Posted February 21, 2004 You know, I don't have problem if you guys wants to have a dicussion over Opensource development but please do so in a seperate thread. Create a new one and knock your socks off. Make sure that you strictly stick to the subject because all the name-calling and any other similar comments isn't going to get the discussion anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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