rocks1985 Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 do you think there will ever be an apple store in tel aviv, israel? Apple seems to be creating its flagship store in many of the most well-to-do cities across the planet now, including tokyo and london. so why not tel aviv? israel is a very technologically advanced society with customers like IBM, microsoft (Haifa) and others. i believe its their turn to get one too.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liquid Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 do you think there will ever be an apple store in tel aviv, israel? i know its random. i'm sorry. :laugh: umm, no... I don't think there will even be one remotly close. I dout there will ever be one in Canada. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ritalin Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 LOL That would be rather funny, id definitely go and check it out the day it would open! :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the evn show Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 When I think high-end shopping there are a few cities that come to mind: Las Angelas, New York, London, Paris, and Tokyo. Apparently Apple sees it the same way. If you check the applestore pages over on apple's website you'll see no plans to open a store anywhere in the middle east. I'm willing to be some of the assumptions and prejudices that I have probably play a role (mostly that the middle east is a violent/restless area compared to somewhere like tokyo) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuka_t Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 tel-aviv isnt actually a well-to-do city. i mean the only reason CNN puts it on the weather thing is cause people bitching about the holy land not being on CNN. and pc's in israel are spensive (the non-stolen ones anyway). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabaTime Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 See that's annoying becasue I fell in love with Apple about 3 months ago and I was willing to go to Toronto or Ottawa if they had an Apple Store but they don't ... :crazy: but Apple has got to be the best computers out there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uiop Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 tel-aviv isnt actually a well-to-do city. i mean the only reason CNN puts it on the weather thing is cause people bitching about the holy land not being on CNN. and pc's in israel are spensive (the non-stolen ones anyway). you make Israel sound so bad for some reason ... Tel-Aviv is a very important city in Israel. Most people don't know, but Israel is the 2nd Silicon Valley (I actually lived my whole life in the real Silicon Valley, next to Apple :-D ) I would love to see Apple open a store there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the evn show Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 There are many important cities around the world: Beiing, Hong Kong, Toronto, New Delhi, Berlin, Moscow...Most of them don't make a good place to set up shop. No doubt tel aviv has a well developed high-tech economic sector - unfortunatly apple doesn't really care about that. What they do care about is the number of families and individuals with money and desire to purchase their products. I think the main reason it's going to be a while before you see an applestore in tel aviv is really simple: There aren't enough people with enough money to purchase apple products living their. Population: Israel as a whole has about 6.5 million people: fewer than live in New-York. Tel aviv only has about 370 thousand, international apple stores are in cities with populations in the multi-millions. Paris has 2.2 million people and sees an additional million + tourists per year. London has 7.5 million people, and tokyo has a frightening 12.8 million people - it grows by the population of tel aviv every two to three years! it goes without saying that the more people near your store: the more you can sell. Wealth: Apple hardware isn't cheap: it's not expensive for what you get, but the cost of entry is pretty high compared to the bargain-basement pricing of gateway systems. As such, the target demographic for apple is upper-middle income families and individuals. Israel isn't exactly wealthy. A high-income family makes $33,000usd per year on average - in places with apple stores the average income of a wealthy family is 50-100% higher. A wealthy family is defined as one making more than 90% of the population, but less than the uppermost 10%. A wealthy family in tel aviv makes less than than the median income in america, in cities with applestores (outside america) the average income is close to the american average. If we assume that anyone making average (american) income is an apple customer then there are: about 2,500,000 potential customers in London and 35,000 potential customers in Tel Aviv. even if every single potential customer in tel aviv purchased a product from apple every year - that's still than 1/3 of the number that pre-ordered mini ipods in america in the last two months. Obviously not everyone who can buy apple hardware does - so the situation is even more bleak. It's a number thing. I'm not trying to say Tel aviv is a filthy ****-hole of poverty, it's more that America is the richest nation on earth, and Apple is only building international stores in cities with a similar level of wealth (which is disproportionately high compared to the rest of the world). Then there is the status issue. It's glamorous to have a shop in paris, not so much in the middle east. Apple is not only selling computers but style - that's a major consideration for them. * I grabed stats from a variety of sources including the world bank, and unicef. You can argue the numbers up or down. but no matter what you do, tel aviv will always come up short of the number of potential customers needed to support an apple store. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bling3k12 Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 Very good post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebigj Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 theres actually an apple store here(Walnut Creek CA) even though we only have 65,000 people! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyro Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 @ the evn show FANTASTIC REPLY MATE. especially surprised to see such a detailed/informative post , especially on neowin forum (i dont mean thats bad). I think Bombay is a triendier place (where I live) and wonder will there be a APPLE store here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
someguy123 Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 well there are "unofficial" (i guess) apple stores in toronto, i walked into one downtown.. you can get all the apple sh!t you could possiably want. :yes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the evn show Posted February 22, 2004 Share Posted February 22, 2004 theres actually an apple store here(Walnut Creek CA) even though we only have 65,000 people! California is the 3rd largest economy on earth, and the state has more people than the entire country of canada. My United States geography may be a little off (I'm not an American) but isn't Walnut Creek in the bay area? If so that puts it < 25 miles from Oakland, San Jose, San Francisco, etc. The population of those 3 towns alone bring the population of the general area to about 3 million people. It appears there is enough free money floating around california to support several stores (because california is full of the damn things): each of the communities above have their own store too. Plenty of population, plenty of money: makes perfect sense to build there. California has always struck me as odd because you never really lose sight of civilization (in my experience anway). One town just blends into another. It seams pretty reasonable to build in a smaller city if there is still a small country worth of people within 50 miles. Around here there is calgary, then 80 miles of empty, Red Deer (small city), 100 miles of nothing, then Edmonton to the north, or 100 miles of nothing to the south, then Lethbridge (a small town) and then about 200 miles and the USA/Canada border. EDIT: And thanks to the people who liked my last post and commented. I try :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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