turkforce Posted February 20, 2002 Share Posted February 20, 2002 Which virusscanner do you use? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted February 20, 2002 Share Posted February 20, 2002 LOL!!!!!!!!!!! What a narrow minded poll. How about adding some of the decent AV programs, that are actually respected by virus writers. (and all the others.) F-Prot Trend Micro AVG Sophos Panda McAfee + Norton are both acknowledged by the community to be sh*te, I'd bet a large amount of money that sophos will be a BIG desktop name in a years time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CloudEngineer Posted February 20, 2002 Share Posted February 20, 2002 i use and recommend NAV2002 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wog boy Posted February 20, 2002 Share Posted February 20, 2002 /me is with DJ^TuRKiYe :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonWebb Posted February 20, 2002 Share Posted February 20, 2002 With good common sense, you don't really need one. I haven't had one for 2.5 years... still no virus. If I ever get one, I can just go to the store. They slow your system down a lot. I'd be more worried about malicious code that isn't a virus but is run through one of many security holes in IE. I like the new security focus MS is taking. Before everyone made fun of Windows cause it crashed all the time. Now since MS has come up with a good, reliable OS, everyone criticizes MS for security. It will be interesting to see if they can conquer it like they did with OS stability... Jason Webb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted February 20, 2002 Share Posted February 20, 2002 Jason, you are out of touch. Most AV programs also check web based stuff for malware, that being dodgy java scriptm active X objects, known IE exploits etc. Not having AV is just being irresponsable, its certainly not saying "i'm better than you, I dont need it". Common sense is a large part, but when cpu speeds are hitting 2gig as common place, you really cant moan about system resources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redmak Administrators Posted February 20, 2002 Administrators Share Posted February 20, 2002 Originally posted by Jon LOL!!!!!!!!!!! What a narrow minded poll. How about adding some of the decent AV programs, that are actually respected by virus writers. (and all the others.) F-Prot Trend Micro AVG Sophos Panda McAfee + Norton are both acknowledged by the community to be sh*te, I'd bet a large amount of money that sophos will be a BIG desktop name in a years time. What's so bad about Norton? We use Norton 7.6 corp on our network and it works just fine. (never a virus, no need to worry about updates + I can control all clients from one central place). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redmak Administrators Posted February 20, 2002 Administrators Share Posted February 20, 2002 Originally posted by JasonWebb With good common sense, you don't really need one. I haven't had one for 2.5 years... still no virus. If I ever get one, I can just go to the store. They slow your system down a lot. I'd be more worried about malicious code that isn't a virus but is run through one of many security holes in IE. I like the new security focus MS is taking. Before everyone made fun of Windows cause it crashed all the time. Now since MS has come up with a good, reliable OS, everyone criticizes MS for security. It will be interesting to see if they can conquer it like they did with OS stability... Jason Webb Uhm... don't need one. You'd be amazed by the number of virusses that get cought by nav here at work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted February 20, 2002 Share Posted February 20, 2002 Redmak, I dont pretend to know personally, most of us can only judge a product on personal experience. I use McAfee here at work on around 3000 machines, with no real problems, but again, in the 'community', its reputed to be technically poor. The real tests seem to be cases like Nimda, or more specifically, how well the AV software has been designed to handle unknown viruses, whether its heuristics actually works, the frequency, quality and reliability of the sig. updates etc. My personal opinion is that VS4.5.1 is stunning for a corporate environment, its incredably thorough in its entry point scanning, its very configurable, and ePoliciy Orchestrator is an *Excelent* management product. I've not used NAV corporate, so can't really comment, although I've heard from many sources that its management console doesn't touch ePO. As for home use, VS4.5.1 *is* too much of a resource hog for gaming, but the point people miss, its that it was designed to be run on high powered office machines that ARE NOT used for games, therefore have resources free (and lots of them). NAV2002 has been pretty good, but it is pretty poor at false-positives, I've had so many different cases of say .ace installers being detected as supposed virus's etc. Tweaking heuristic (bloodhound in NAVs case) to be not too sensitive, but not too insensitive to be useless, seems to be a tricky balance. My opinion is that NAV2k2 got it wrong. However its automatic updating is reliable, which is a key point for home users. Check out alt.comp.virus and alt.comp.antivirus , and read comments, paricularly look out for [Pax], who is one of englands few virus writers. Hes a smart man, with interesting opinions. Jon //edit . I can't spell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redmak Administrators Posted February 20, 2002 Administrators Share Posted February 20, 2002 Our license ends in a couple of months, maybe it's time for me to check out the competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariusu Posted February 20, 2002 Share Posted February 20, 2002 /me uses nav2002 whithout problems:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted February 20, 2002 Share Posted February 20, 2002 Redmak, We are tied to McAfee, that isn't my call. I'd seriously recommend you take a look at Sophos, its managment tool is slightly different, but from what I've heard, very functional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortensen Posted February 20, 2002 Share Posted February 20, 2002 Not having AV is just being irresponsable No... most people don't need virus checkers. For most people they are just an extra process that certainly doesn't help to SPEED up a system. I did have NAV2002 on for a while but it's just SO unneccesary! I'm glad that you feel safe with your AV program on, but us normal people are just as happy with how 'unsafe' we are. For businesses, servers, or computers with IMPORTANT data on then I'm sure it's perfectly neccesary to use AV software.... but NOT for the average home user! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariusu Posted February 20, 2002 Share Posted February 20, 2002 Originally posted by mortensen No... most people don't need virus checkers. For most people they are just an extra process that certainly doesn't help to SPEED up a system. I did have NAV2002 on for a while but it's just SO unneccesary! I'm glad that you feel safe with your AV program on, but us normal people are just as happy with how 'unsafe' we are. For businesses, servers, or computers with IMPORTANT data on then I'm sure it's perfectly neccesary to use AV software.... but NOT for the average home user! i don't know if you know how wrong you are here. as a normal user you must receive also many e-mails a day (maybe i'm wrong) and also downlaod loads of progs and others from the internet. now just imagine only one of this things would have a virus in it. you'll just sit there, not knowing what will happen to you...and then ,when all your data is deleted and your system is f***ed you'll just wonder why:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted February 20, 2002 Share Posted February 20, 2002 Mort you sound exactly like me talking about personal firewalls! What you say would have been true 1.5yrs ago, but now, given the new entry methods for viruses, the spead at which some can spread, and the advancement of OS's, every one should run AV. By advancement of OS's, I mean the line between a Server and Workstation OS becoming more and more blurred, in that the difference is often simply which services have been installed on them. Take vunerabilities like SDDP (upnp's device discovery service). A clever virus coder could have written a nice little virus along the lines of codered (ie:exploit leading to privilage escalation), which would have nailed 95% of xp machines on the net. The reason code red spread so fast, so far, and is still in the wild, is people who dont run AV on their systems, and run services they dont need / maintaine. The average home users data is considered important, because the average home user would have no clue how to fix it, so maintaining system integretty is critical, and the biggest threat to it isn't 'hackers', its virus's. Undiscriminating automated worms, kiddies writting vb mass mailers. Do you know how easy it is to spoof an email? I could SO easily send an email that looks as if it came from Neobond, saying something like "We've created a new remote admin tool for neowins DB, give it a go and let me know what you think'. If I made the wording relative to the situation, you'd probably run it, and bam, I could do what ever I wanted to your pc. The chances of getting a virus are slim, but increasing, and the chances of you loosing all of you're data when you get a virus are slim, but again, increasing. If you consider you're data un-important, and you dont care if you loose it, fine. If you *refuse* to run AV software, and you then become infected with a virus, and this virus then spreads itself from you're machine, believe it or not, you're breaking the law. And rightly so, because its bogging the internet down with traffic, causing novice users heartache and stress, and doing what? Saving 10meg of ram on your machine. Sorry mort, but you need to wake up in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Large Posted February 20, 2002 Share Posted February 20, 2002 I agree Jon, virus checkers are essential bit of kit at home, work or wherever you may be. I've recieved emails in the past with viruses attached and Norton 2002 caught them and saved me a load of problems. A home user is as easily effected as anyone else, say you were working on some graphic pic for a few hours and a virus got on your system and destroyed that file, you'd be well p****ed off wouldn't you. Norton runs smoothly in the background, updates itself and saved my bacon many time. NOT HAVING A VIRUS CHECKER IS SILLY ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwndw Posted February 21, 2002 Share Posted February 21, 2002 I agree totally about AV protection. I use Norton AV2002, and it seems to do the job, although it does delay startup a little, its tolerable and the added security and script blocking is worth the extra 2 seconds of boot time. I play online games for 3-4 hours almost nightly and I don't notice any slowdowns or performance hits with it running and running a Ghost Recon server really stresses your machine (except when Auto update kicks in in the middle of a frag fest ;-) ), so I just turned off autoupdate and do it manually at least every other day. My data may not be important to other people, but its very important to me. NAV has saved me many times from Wscript.kakworm and some other script based viruses. Those that refuse to use it have alot to do with the spread of these viruses to other people and don't even realize it because they have nothing to tell them otherwise. Its staggering to think how many infected emails could be sent out daily on a machine with no AV software and a Cable internet connection. Just my two cents worth. As far as which one to use, I have read ALOT of good things about Sophos and Panda. They both seem to be excellent AV tools, but I personally use NAV 2002. Had Sophos or Panda been available to me at a local retailer, that decision may have changed. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroChaos Veteran Posted February 21, 2002 Veteran Share Posted February 21, 2002 hmmm, i'm currently like Jason, i'm extremely careful about what i do, i install all the security updates when they come out, and i've never had a problem. but now you guys are starting to scare me, and i'm willing to try something:P . can you guys give some suggestions for a good AV program that uses up little resources? also, i have 2 physical hard drives. one has XP, my programs, my games, and my documents. i back up my documents to my other hard drive on a regular basis. so basically, everything on C is replacable. if i happen to get a virus (and i'm not running any AV) can it ruin the data on my backup hard drive D? thanks guys, joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fonze Posted February 21, 2002 Share Posted February 21, 2002 Originally posted by Jon LOL!!!!!!!!!!! What a narrow minded poll. How about adding some of the decent AV programs, that are actually respected by virus writers. (and all the others.) F-Prot Trend Micro AVG Sophos Panda McAfee + Norton are both acknowledged by the community to be sh*te, I'd bet a large amount of money that sophos will be a BIG desktop name in a years time. Funny how your decent AV programs only got 6 votes......... :p NAV here, never fails Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supernova Posted February 21, 2002 Share Posted February 21, 2002 I havent used a VS since WIN95 i've just never needed one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fonze Posted February 21, 2002 Share Posted February 21, 2002 that is the thing tho, you don't think you need it.... u know why.... because you don't have any viruses. but how would you know unless you have a AV program. believe it or not, alot of viruses don't screw up your computer majorly but are just backdoor sub 7's and they take control and allow people to have access to your files. i would advise atleast running the free virus scanner on symantec.com just to check every once in a while Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanmcv Posted February 21, 2002 Share Posted February 21, 2002 NAV 2002 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted February 21, 2002 Share Posted February 21, 2002 Funny how your decent AV programs only got 6 votes......... Thats because most of the people here are sheep who blindly follow. Just because its the most widely used, it *certainly* doesnt make it the best. I said, in 1.5yrs time, Sophos will be a big desktop name. Implying it isn't yes, implying you've just told me what I already knew. Implying you're wasting my time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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