Adelon Posted April 1, 2004 Share Posted April 1, 2004 nexst month i be moving around allot, so im selling my current system... :pinch: but now im looking for a 1200,- euro ibook or laptop, i never used apple my self but it atracts me allot.. ill be looking for these funtions: - play dvd - office (don't know what apple compu uses) - some minor games (saw some apple title i like allot) - and fireworks, macromedia enz.. - maby some flash works so is a apple a good choose? or should i buy a cheap laptop? :shifty: off topic: and yes the system in the siq. is for sale ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted April 1, 2004 Share Posted April 1, 2004 ULL NEVER BE HAPPY WITH A LAPTOP COMPARED TO A DESKTOP (My 2 cents) if uve never used apple before, dont go.. all software is diffrent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VGVL Posted April 1, 2004 Share Posted April 1, 2004 Go for the iBook. I really would not even consider getting a PC Laptop. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si Veteran Posted April 1, 2004 Veteran Share Posted April 1, 2004 Depends what you want, I got my ibook thinking it would be good to compliment my desktop, but it turns out to be slow compared to a pc laptop (obviously it is cheaper so that makes sense), theres also a few apps missing that I use with no obvious replacements. Also an iBook won't cut it with new games, I tried it with the UT2004 demo :x Office, DVD and web stuff will be fine however (Y) Above all, if you get one make sure it has the full 640mb RAM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmove Posted April 1, 2004 Share Posted April 1, 2004 Go for the Powerbook 12" it's a nice combo and i think it's the best laptop ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si Veteran Posted April 1, 2004 Veteran Share Posted April 1, 2004 Go for the Powerbook 12" it's a nice combo and i think it's the best laptop ;) :yes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adelon Posted April 1, 2004 Author Share Posted April 1, 2004 yeah but that don't cost 1200 euro :D its about 1950 euro i believe :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabaTime Posted April 1, 2004 Share Posted April 1, 2004 If you wanna play games then go to Microsoft, want to achieve come to Apple Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giga Veteran Posted April 1, 2004 Veteran Share Posted April 1, 2004 if uve never used apple before, dont go.. all software is diffrent What kind of statement is that. Not all software is different. Photoshop, Games, Office etc are all the same. (Technically speaking) The software may look different and do different things but the whole point of the software is the same as the PC counterpart. Theres nothing wrong with trying something new. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuka_t Posted April 2, 2004 Share Posted April 2, 2004 but trying EVERYTHING new can be overwhelming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giga Veteran Posted April 2, 2004 Veteran Share Posted April 2, 2004 Everything? Hes only trying a mac. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aldo Posted April 3, 2004 Share Posted April 3, 2004 TBH, I don't know what to suggest. Just 3 months ago I'd of told you to jump right on Apple, but this quarter has sucked so bad for Apple (watch the financial results come through) and I don't know now. The Powerbooks, while nice, are in serious need of a price drop or a spec increase. iBooks also suffer in the same regard. I hate to think I'm flaming Apple here, but latley the product's are starting to suck quite bad. They have became so fixated on iTMS (which is going to miss the 100mil songs mark by some) and iPod (which is doing well but they will not sell like they do forever) that they've forgot about the core products: computers. Apple also needs to drop this stupid consumer-hatred they have - that is, they will not let a consumer machine be faster than a pro one. This is exceptionally obvious on the desktop machines. The iMac and eMacs are terrible machine for gaming and really anything more than internet surfing ($2000 for a internet surfer when a $200 walmart machine can do it?!) and really shows how fixated on design apple have became latley. However, I still love OSX - by far the best OS on the planet. I've got to wonder though, with the terrible hardware lineup (even the G5 is starting to pale compared to the AMD64 and also Apple obviously is having problems with supply, re: xserve G5) if OSX might have to go x86 soon. Who knows... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Dorr Veteran Posted April 3, 2004 Veteran Share Posted April 3, 2004 I hate to think I'm flaming Apple here, but latley the product's are starting to suck quite bad. They have became so fixated on iTMS (which is going to miss the 100mil songs mark by some) and iPod (which is doing well but they will not sell like they do forever) that they've forgot about the core products: computers. They're waiting on CPU updates from IBM to introduce new revisions. They can't sell what they don't have. iPod and iTMS are gateways to what is their core business: computers. They're not focusing on them for the sake of dropping their computers, they're doing it to get people to start liking the company and it's products. You might have not been an Apple owner when the PM G4's were near EOL, but that was when there was a REAL dry spell. A few months without updates are acceptable while they work on new things. PowerBook G5's don't just happen overnight ya know :p Apple also needs to drop this stupid consumer-hatred they have - that is, they will not let a consumer machine be faster than a pro one. This is exceptionally obvious on the desktop machines. The iMac and eMacs are terrible machine for gaming and really anything more than internet surfing ($2000 for a internet surfer when a $200 walmart machine can do it?!) and really shows how fixated on design apple have became latley. They can't price things lower than they can. The prices are what they are because they need to make money. I'm sure you could sell a PM G5 for $200, but that wouldn't get them anywhere. Anyways, I think an iBook would be a good choice in this case. You're coming from the world of PCs and have no perceptions off speed on a Mac system. Perceptually, it won't be that slow, and you can always upgrade when you feel the need for more speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aldo Posted April 4, 2004 Share Posted April 4, 2004 Are you insane Tim? Are you honestly saying it costs apple $1800 to make an iMac 17"?! A TFT panel costs around $500. $1300 for a 1.25ghz G4 and some RAM, HDD and a mobo with integrated stuff. While I'm willing to bet the mobo and case are much more expensive than the PC counterparts, I'm in no doubt Apple is raking quite a good profit off them. What Steve has forgot is that computers are mass market things. A 0.5% marketshare is no good for Apple (which it is heading to within the next couple of years) as developers start dropping products. Apple needs to make a new 'tower' computer which is upgradable and you can have your own monitor on it. It could be aimed at geeks like me, gamers and they can create budget versions to replace the eMac. Price it cheap and charge over the top for upgrades like Dell and others do. re: iPod and iTMS, I agree that they are gateways but they are not going to last forever. MS and others can easily shed a few billion getting into the industry and squashing Apple (which I'd be very suprised if they don't), leaving iTMS to be a store only for mac users. I suppose they have a bit of lock-in with the iPod but I'm sure another company can get round that. The trouble is with the iTMS and iPod 'gateways' is that there are no good consumer line machines for them to go to after. The iMac is too expensive and the eMac is a crappy CRT which no-one wants anymore. While I'm sure there was a real dry spell with the PMG4s being end of lined, It's not as if Apple can say that it costs them the same to build a PM G5 now as it did when they speed-bumped them. Price drops are something that are sadly lacking in Apple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Dorr Veteran Posted April 4, 2004 Veteran Share Posted April 4, 2004 Are you insane Tim? Are you honestly saying it costs apple $1800 to make an iMac 17"?! A TFT panel costs around $500. $1300 for a 1.25ghz G4 and some RAM, HDD and a mobo with integrated stuff. While I'm willing to bet the mobo and case are much more expensive than the PC counterparts, I'm in no doubt Apple is raking quite a good profit off them. No, I'm not. Try to cram those things in that small of a box along with the rotating LCD head and you've got a sizable amount of R&D to pay for. It's basically a laptop with a unique design, in terms of available space. While I'm sure there was a real dry spell with the PMG4s being end of lined, It's not as if Apple can say that it costs them the same to build a PM G5 now as it did when they speed-bumped them. Price drops are something that are sadly lacking in Apple. Again, it's the R&D costs that have to be paid off. Sure, they can get costs lower, but the first batch of those machines rolling off the factory belt are purely to bring them back in the black for all the money they've been pouring into the project. Do you honestly think Apple wouldn't bring down prices if they safely could? That's just more potential customers, but they can't stay profitable with lower prices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuka_t Posted April 4, 2004 Share Posted April 4, 2004 many people dont care for a computer that looks like a desklamp. i would rather havea cheaper, upgradeable, ugly, OSX computer than the current imac. and there are laptops that can outperform a 17" imac for that priceso saying it uses laptop parts isnt a good reason. like this toshibal laptop for example is 2000 dollars and has a 17" screen. macs are overpriced, there are no two ways about it. Intel? Pentium? 4 Processor 3.0GHz Microsoft? Windows? XP Home Edition 512MB PC2100 DDR SDRAM (256MB x 2) 17" diagonal Wide-Screen XGA Display (1440 x 900) NVIDIA? GeForce? FX Go5200 GPU w/64MB DDR memory 80GB HDD (4200 rpm) DVD+-R/+-RW Integrated Wi-Fi? (IEEE 802.11g) 4-USB (2.0) ports iLINK (IEEE 1394) port 1-FIR port SD media slot TV-Out (S-Video) port 10/100 Ethernet V.92/56K modem? Parallel port Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboi Posted April 4, 2004 Share Posted April 4, 2004 if your just BASIC user and only using a computer for surfin/email, music, graphic editing, word prosessing then i would perfer ibook. you know sometimes its nice to try something different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VGVL Posted April 4, 2004 Share Posted April 4, 2004 many people dont care for a computer that looks like a desklamp. i would rather havea cheaper, upgradeable, ugly, OSX computer than the current imac. and there are laptops that can outperform a 17" imac for that priceso saying it uses laptop parts isnt a good reason.like this toshibal laptop for example is 2000 dollars and has a 17" screen. macs are overpriced, there are no two ways about it. Some people DO care about the looks of their computers though ;) In fact, it is quite possibly the most important factor I take into account when buying hardware. And I will pay extra to get stylish hardware. :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuka_t Posted April 4, 2004 Share Posted April 4, 2004 that is the reason why apple has 3percent market share, because most people wont pay extra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VGVL Posted April 4, 2004 Share Posted April 4, 2004 that is the reason why apple has 3percent market share, because most people wont pay extra. Which is good, in a sense. I see Apple as the Mercedes-Benz of the Computer World. The marketshare is relatively low, but the products are worth it to those who pay for them. And Mac's look so nice they impress, just like a Mercedes-Benz. I wouldnt like to have the same computer that 95% of my friends use ;) , which is one of the main reasons why I got a Liquid Cooled Dual Processor System for my PC needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bossstms Posted April 5, 2004 Share Posted April 5, 2004 Wow ... it's so hard to choose between a pc laptop and a mac ( ibook ) ... seeing everything written here, I need a laptop that will be able to edit graphic, and create some web sites. Actualy i'm using Dreamweaver and Fireworks as my main tools I rarely play games. I know that dreamweaver and fireworks are available for the mac platform. So everything is fine there ... but I'm realy not sure about this. I sometimes use Linux on my pc so the fact that mac os is bsd based really add to the fact that i want one, but the only problem is the price i'm on a low budget i'm thinking about the Ibook 12' with some upgrade but I'm sure I could get a faster and more powerful laptop pc ... but those mac are SO attracting ! Do you think I could do the kind of work I talked about here with a mac ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfish Posted April 5, 2004 Share Posted April 5, 2004 Which is good, in a sense. I see Apple as the Mercedes-Benz of the Computer World. The marketshare is relatively low, but the products are worth it to those who pay for them. And Mac's look so nice they impress, just like a Mercedes-Benz.I wouldnt like to have the same computer that 95% of my friends use ;) , which is one of the main reasons why I got a Liquid Cooled Dual Processor System for my PC needs. Most people don't like a lot of the Apple designs. For instance, me, I didn't like the fruit colored iMacs I found they looked ugly and silly, and the first iBooks which looked like oversized makeup cases. People do care about things looking good, but they would rather have a nice sleek black laptop than these designs. I also don't like the MacOS gui. Looking good isn't the same as piling to make things look 'fun' like false metal patterns, gel buttons, fruit colors, photorealism. It doesnt fit most peoples tastes. It does sell to a niche of Mac users. I do like the newer white colored iBooks though and the iPod design over other MP3 players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jelly2003 Posted April 5, 2004 Share Posted April 5, 2004 ULL NEVER BE HAPPY WITH A LAPTOP COMPARED TO A DESKTOP (My 2 cents) if uve never used apple before, dont go.. all software is diffrent I don't agree, if you frequently go to LAN's etc, then a laptop would be great. Plus you can get some very nice laptops these days, which perform very well for games. I think the main issue is that you need a brand name laptop. Getting a noname brand is where people go wrong. Look for IBM, Toshiba, Acer, etc. I bought a 2nd hand Thinkpad 570, which is a P2 366mhz, 64MB ram, 6GB hard drive, 2.5MB video. I upgraded the ram to 192MB and the hardrive to 20GB, and the machine runs great under Win 2K. I've never had a problem. Concerning MACS, I agree. If you have bought a whole heap of PC software it's worth remembering that you will need to buy MAC equivelents to everything. Also, there are companies are dropping support for the Mac platform, and can you blame them? Linux is even overtaking Apple now. I'm not saying that Apples suck, they do seem overpriced compared to PC's, and because you can do more with a PC, you will also get a lot more value out of a PC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gawdflesh Posted April 5, 2004 Share Posted April 5, 2004 nexst month i be moving around allot, so im selling my current system... :pinch: but now im looking for a 1200,- euro ibook or laptop, i never used apple my self but it atracts me allot.. ill be looking for these funtions: - play dvd - office (don't know what apple compu uses) - some minor games (saw some apple title i like allot) - and fireworks, macromedia enz.. - maby some flash works so is a apple a good choose? or should i buy a cheap laptop? :shifty: off topic: and yes the system in the siq. is for sale ! An apple would suit your requirements nicely *IF* you're not into games, unless you can spend the cash for a powerbook. I really liked my ibook, it was small, durable, had pretty decent battery life, and it didn't weigh a ton...but it was pretty underpowered in the games department. Granted, I had a G3 800 with 640 megs of ram. That being said...the Dell Inspiron I had also had all those features, minus the battery life, which wasn't quite as good, and it was a little heavier and bulkier. But it was also a little bit cheaper, felt a little more "solid", and could play most all the games I played on my desktop, at a slightly lesser performance level. IMHO, it takes a certain type of person to make the "switch" completely. If you're not one of them, you won't be 100% satisfied. I tried to switch, and I wasn't happy. Nothing against Apple, it just wasn't my thing. A lot of people on here seem to oooh and aaaaah over OS X, but the novelty wears off quick. I'd really suggest trying to spend some serious time with an Apple before you take the plunge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoMayhem Posted April 5, 2004 Share Posted April 5, 2004 many people dont care for a computer that looks like a desklamp. i would rather havea cheaper, upgradeable, ugly, OSX computer than the current imac. and there are laptops that can outperform a 17" imac for that priceso saying it uses laptop parts isnt a good reason.like this toshibal laptop for example is 2000 dollars and has a 17" screen. macs are overpriced, there are no two ways about it. Intel? Pentium? 4 Processor 3.0GHz Microsoft? Windows? XP Home Edition 512MB PC2100 DDR SDRAM (256MB x 2) 17" diagonal Wide-Screen XGA Display (1440 x 900) NVIDIA? GeForce? FX Go5200 GPU w/64MB DDR memory 80GB HDD (4200 rpm) DVD+-R/+-RW Integrated Wi-Fi? (IEEE 802.11g) 4-USB (2.0) ports iLINK (IEEE 1394) port 1-FIR port SD media slot TV-Out (S-Video) port 10/100 Ethernet V.92/56K modem? Parallel port Have you seen how thick and junky that laptop is? And it has a 2 hour max battery or something Macs are a better value, especially the laptops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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