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don't think so..

oo well, what can you say about the war stuff

why are there so many wars all over the world, if there is God.

Does he want people just to kill each other?

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Originally posted by ventsi83

... oo well, what can you say about the war stuff

why are there so many wars all over the world, if there is God.

Does he want people just to kill each other?

Why? Maybe because God finds it funny. I'm not being serious there, but if you choose to believe in God then you accept the possibility that God has left us to our own devices and rarely chooses (if at all) to intervene. But then again who are we to say what God chooses to do or not do. We as human beings shouldn't only look to a higher being to blame or to some how solve our own self created problems.

By the way I'm not trying to invalidate your opinion, I often wonder the same thing.

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here's one i thought of recently: we have no concrete proof of God, a scientific creation of the universe is wholly likely and plausible, as is natural evolution.

now, let's say a God had evolved naturally, like ourselves. now what if this God hasn't been created yet. However, as far as we know, we are the only species on Earth, as well as the universe potentially capable of achieving immortality, transforming our bodies, and eventually transcending matter, maybe into one single entity, rather than a species.

Since we have no proof of life anywhere else in the universe, let's say that we humans, or at least our evolved descendants, are the ones who must seed the universe with life. With our technology, and abilities beyond, to any species or object we create, we seem to be God(s).

So although we have no God, except our good friends physics, chemistry and dumb luck to account for our existence, future species elsewhere may have us as their creators and God.

ooooooo. spooky.

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without a god, there could be no science.

i quote the system of a down song science:

Making two possibilities a reality,

Predicting the future of things we all know,

Fighting off the diseased programming

Of centuries, centuries, centuries, centuries.

Science fails to recognize the single most

Potent element of human existence

letting the reigns go to the unfolding

Is faith, faith, faith, faith.

Science has failed our world

Science has failed our Mother Earth.

Science fails to recognize the single most

Potent element of human existence

letting the reigns go to the unfolding

Is faith, faith, faith, faith.

Science has failed our world

Science has failed our Mother Earth.

Spirit-moves-through-all-things

Spirit-moves-through-all-things

Spirit-moves-through-all-things,

Spirit-moves-through-all-things

Spirit-moves-through-all-things

Spirit-moves-through-all-things.

letting the reigns go to the unfolding

Is faith, faith, faith, faith

letting the reigns go to the unfolding

Is faith, faith, faith, faith.

Science has failed our world

Science has failed our Mother Earth.

Spirit-moves-through-all-things

Spirit-moves-through-all-things

Spirit-moves-through-all-things,

Spirit-moves-through-all-things

Spirit-moves-through-all-things

Spirit-moves-through-all-things

Spirit-moves-through-all-things

Spirit-moves-through-all-things

Spirit-moves-through-all-things,

Spirit-moves-through-all-things

Spirit-moves-through-all-things

Spirit-moves-through-all-things

Science has failed our Mother Earth.

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Originally posted by Toxikk

without a god, there could be no science.

i quote the system of a down song science:

Making two possibilities a reality,

Predicting the future of things we all know,

Fighting off the diseased programming

Of centuries, centuries, centuries, centuries.

Science fails to recognize the single most

Potent element of human existence

letting the reigns go to the unfolding

Is faith, faith, faith, faith.

Science has failed our world

Science has failed our Mother Earth.

Science fails to recognize the single most

Potent element of human existence

letting the reigns go to the unfolding

Is faith, faith, faith, faith.

Science has failed our world

Science has failed our Mother Earth.

Spirit-moves-through-all-things

Spirit-moves-through-all-things

Spirit-moves-through-all-things,

Spirit-moves-through-all-things

Spirit-moves-through-all-things

Spirit-moves-through-all-things.

letting the reigns go to the unfolding

Is faith, faith, faith, faith

letting the reigns go to the unfolding

Is faith, faith, faith, faith.

Science has failed our world

Science has failed our Mother Earth.

Spirit-moves-through-all-things

Spirit-moves-through-all-things

Spirit-moves-through-all-things,

Spirit-moves-through-all-things

Spirit-moves-through-all-things

Spirit-moves-through-all-things

Spirit-moves-through-all-things

Spirit-moves-through-all-things

Spirit-moves-through-all-things,

Spirit-moves-through-all-things

Spirit-moves-through-all-things

Spirit-moves-through-all-things

Science has failed our Mother Earth.

Do you presume to say that the proof of God's existence is to be found in the words of a System Of A Down song? That's a new one.:roll:

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Originally posted by mcb

here's one i thought of recently: we have no concrete proof of God, a scientific creation of the universe is wholly likely and plausible, as is natural evolution.

now, let's say a God had evolved naturally, like ourselves. now what if this God hasn't been created yet. However, as far as we know, we are the only species on Earth, as well as the universe potentially capable of achieving immortality, transforming our bodies, and eventually transcending matter, maybe into one single entity, rather than a species.

Since we have no proof of life anywhere else in the universe, let's say that we humans, or at least our evolved descendants, are the ones who must seed the universe with life. With our technology, and abilities beyond, to any species or object we create, we seem to be God(s).

So although we have no God, except our good friends physics, chemistry and dumb luck to account for our existence, future species elsewhere may have us as their creators and God.

ooooooo. spooky.

Well said! While I believe in a God that exists now, this is a very valid point. To say that I believe in God doesn't mean that I presume to know what or who he/she/it is, where or from what God came from, and other such things... so maybe God is just some sort of higher life form that exists in some other dimension.

And who's to say we don't seem like Gods to some other intelligent organism on our planet.

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this is stupid. Most of you assume that if there is a God, he/she/it would be confined to the restrictions which hold humans (ie: evolution, time, space, etc.). Thus, you are not actually discussing the idea of God. You are discussing your (most of the time, faulty) VIEWS on a limited God. You are trying to fit a limitless idea into your own little world. I suggest that to even try to do so will be pointless. Human brains can never comprehend eternity, the 4th or 5th dimension, or any other concept that we cannot experience. But the same is true: What you cannot see may not always be non-existent.

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Originally posted by icie

this is stupid. Most of you assume that if there is a God, he/she/it would be confined to the restrictions which hold humans (ie: evolution, time, space, etc.). Thus, you are not actually discussing the idea of God. You are discussing your (most of the time, faulty) VIEWS on a limited God. You are trying to fit a limitless idea into your own little world. I suggest that to even try to do so will be pointless. Human brains can never comprehend eternity, the 4th or 5th dimension, or any other concept that we cannot experience. But the same is true: What you cannot see may not always be non-existent.

Very good point! It is through our own eyes and beliefs that we see God and the world around us, somewhat like looking at something through shades or even a kaleidescope (I know I spelled that wrong :ermm: ).

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Originally posted by jesterzwild

Very good point! It is through our own eyes and beliefs that we see God and the world around us, somewhat like looking at something through shades or even a kaleidescope (I know I spelled that wrong :ermm: ).

Good Point!

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  • 2 weeks later...

Here are the facts:

  • Creationalists are idiots; you rely too heavily on god & don't want to see a paradise for the future of mankind
  • Evolution has been proved(far too many times), that's why the sources of these articles are not well known
  • This has happened in the past, it was only posted in the media because they need *artificial* news
  • If you believe in creation instead of evolution, then you cannot have any interest in science or the truth.
  • read point 3, this is only a media thing, there is no truth to creation, only to evolution.
  • If you actually look for the truth you'll find evoltion is it;note: this requires some effort lol ;)

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Originally posted by Evolution

Here are the facts:

  • Creationalists are idiots; you rely too heavily on god & don't want to see a paradise for the future of mankind
  • Evolution has been proved, that's why the sources of these articles are not well known
  • This has happened in the past, it was only posted in the media because they need *artificial* news
  • If you believe in creation instead of evolution, then you cannot have any interest in science or the truth.
  • read point 3, this is only a media thing, there is no truth to creation, only to evolution.

Yes, Homer J. Simpson himself proved that God did not exist. So :lick:

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I am not saying god doesn't exist, but what I am saying that he did not create the earth, though perhaps he did create quantum foam or at least start the big bang.

I must ask myself:

what created the big bang, it must have been something

how did matter spontaneously exist

for those questions I believe in god, but I do not believe that he created the earth or that he visited it

Note: Another name for god is creator. So technically the big bang itself could be god but then that would mean there are gods of gods lol and then you just get traped in a complex chain of directions. Are we not gods in a perspective?

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Creationists without evolution are blind.

Evolutionists without God are lost.

Science comes from the Creator guys. Regardless if that Creator is Abrahams Assyrian God Elohim, Moses' Yaweh, Christs' Father or Muhammeds(sp?) Allah.

So someone flame me. Please, it's been a boring day...

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You must have faith. If you do not have faith you will not believe in God becuse you will not want to. You believe that in order for something to come into existance something big and explosive must have happened. (ie. Big Bang) Now, if you have faith and you choose to believe in Jesus Christ, then you will believe he just has the power to make something come into being.

I read earlier in this thread that someone believes Creationists are idiots because we dont want to see a paradise for all of mankind. Well, if you are a Christian, you will see that when you die you go to Heaven and that is paradise. Science need not apply, it cannot create peace and harmony, because some Know it all Genious will have to argue about something. Science can help my milk stay fresh longer but it will not run my life.

Also, someone said earlier that evolution was proven. Could someone please tell me when. And by whom, from what I last heard they hadn't found the all important "missing link". I as a Christian do believe in evolution, a form of it, Survival of the Fitest you could call it. I am aware animals do evolve is small ways. but animals do not just suck in legs and grow fins and swim to the next continent and then grow their legs back. And I as a human did not evolve from a Monkey or an Ape, simply because we have similarities (thumb? wow).

If you believe in creation instead of evolution, then you cannot have any interest in science or the truth.

I believe in Creation, and I want to know the truth and advance Science. I however have the truth, and science in here to help me live a healthy life, get me to Food Lion, and make sure my plants stay green all summer, not show me where I came from.

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Originally posted by walters17

You must have faith.

Why?

"Human life and destiny is always endangered when prophets of

whatever sort demand, 'Frage nicht, glaube!' Do not question.

Believe!"

-Jack Forstman

If you do not have faith you will not believe in God becuse you will not want to.

Your "arguement" could very well be used for just about any imaginary being. What makes you correct and all others wrong?

You believe that in order for something to come into existance something big and explosive must have happened. (ie. Big Bang) Now, if you have faith and you choose to believe in Jesus Christ, then you will believe he just has the power to make something come into being.

Christ was the son of god, not god him/her/itself. Christ never made the clain that he was god.

I read earlier in this thread that someone believes Creationists are idiots because we dont want to see a paradise for all of mankind. Well, if you are a Christian, you will see that when you die you go to Heaven and that is paradise.

Paradise is what you make it right here on Earth. Theists have nothing to lose because they believe that they will be going to their heaven. Atheists, and other non-believers have all to lose since this is the only life they will ever have and are less likely to throw it away as many theists have shown they are all too willing to do.

Science need not apply, it cannot create peace and harmony, because some Know it all Genious will have to argue about something. Science can help my milk stay fresh longer but it will not run my life.

At least under science you have a life of your own. Under religion your only purpose is to praise your god and anything which is not for this purpose is disregarded. You are a slave of the worse sort.

Also, someone said earlier that evolution was proven. Could someone please tell me when.

It's a fact when even the Church has accepted it as such.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/evolution-fact.html

And by whom, from what I last heard they hadn't found the all important "missing link".

Because most likely there wasn't just one.

I as a Christian do believe in evolution, a form of it, Survival of the Fitest you could call it. I am aware animals do evolve is small ways. but animals do not just suck in legs and grow fins and swim to the next continent and then grow their legs back.

They do but it is a slow process which can take many generations.

And I as a human did not evolve from a Monkey or an Ape, simply because we have similarities (thumb? wow).

Get this striaght, we don't evolve from either, we share a common ancestor. We ARE a form of primate. The genetic match is so close with some that they have more in commom with us that with the other apes.

I believe in Creation, and I want to know the truth and advance Science.

Creationsim is not and never will be valid science. If you knew how science works you would understand why.

I however have the truth, and science in here to help me live a healthy life, get me to Food Lion, and make sure my plants stay green all summer, not show me where I came from.

Yes, it does show you this. Religion is suppose to show you how to live, not why you live.

"Never trust a man who claims to have the whole TRUTH...."

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Originally posted by superbeast

Creationists without evolution are blind.

Creatianism is blind to begin with.

Evolutionists without God are lost.

Which god, there are so many of them?

Science comes from the Creator guys. Regardless if that Creator is Abrahams Assyrian God Elohim, Moses' Yaweh, Christs' Father or Muhammeds(sp?) Allah.

Prove it.

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Really... close this thread.

15 pages of arguments!

Either side will never agree... and really i am just tired of seeing it around

Neowin is about tech stuff... not this stuff.

I am so tired of this religous and evolution/creationism stuff. It has no bussines being in a Tech Thread. If I was a mod I would kiss this thread and all others like it goodbye.

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I wrote a long post then screwed it up by accidentally pressing the back button on my mouse.:mad:

The jist of it was:

If you don't like the post don't read it. This is a great place to get a lot of different minds discussing a broad topic like this.

Science was not created by God, it was created by man, as was everything else in this world after the creation of life (plants, animals, humans) if you believe in creation. Even time.

The Big Bang was created by God commiting suicide. Last time I explained what I meant, but it was long an drawn out and I am p***ed off. If you want to know what I am talking about then that was the last thing I wrote about. That being...

Read "God's Debris" by Scott Adams. He also writes the Dilbet comic strip, but this is completely serious. It is a great though provoking book and it is only 130-some small pages. It makes you question all your beliefs, whether it is science or religion. It also makes your head hurt. I highly recommend those who liked this thread to read it, but by all means, everyone should give it a go.

There, this time it worked.:D

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Originally posted by Goalie_CA

This thread should be closed. Someone please close it. If you want proof, ask a paleontolgist, or an anthropoligist.

Agreed. This is just a massive flamers paradise waiting to blow. What do you think Keldyn?

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Most people don't understand infinity. Infinity, the concept itself - means forever backwards and forever forwards. Of course people can't grasp this concept because we are temperal beings - we were born, and we die - however it is very egocentric to believe the universe will behave like a human.

Many scientists believe that the big bang will be followed by the big crunch - an implosion of all matter in the universe back to a single point, and then a re-explosion. Recently it was found that the universe was expanding - which most hypothesize means that the universe will slowly cool off and continue to expand forever. But there are other theories that contradict this - such as 11 dimensional theory and string theory. The idea goes that the universe will expand in a rotating manner until it stops rotating. From this point it is simple dynamics - the universe will begin to spiral back inwards, falling under its own mass. If this happens, and the big bang RE-OCCURS then guess what, there was never a beginning and there will never be an end. Thus, it is easy to conclude that there is no need for a god - he no longer has a purpose, and so never existed and never will.

Don't presume because YOU can't imagine in your mind a universe with no beginning and no end that it isn't real. Same way you can't imagine a world without color, without vision, because basically color and sight is a figment of our imagination.

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