aristotle-dude Posted April 15, 2004 Share Posted April 15, 2004 CEO of Real Networks Rob Glaser emailed Steve Jobs, imploring him to open up Apple's AAC Digital Rights Management System - FairPlay - to Real. http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/15/business/media/15real.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danbalsh Posted April 15, 2004 Share Posted April 15, 2004 I think it would be a great move on Apples part to help Real out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malechai Veteran Posted April 15, 2004 Veteran Share Posted April 15, 2004 "imploring him"? sounds like desperation to me... like a rat on a sinking ship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STV Posted April 15, 2004 Share Posted April 15, 2004 "imploring him"? sounds like desperation to me... like a rat on a sinking ship :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: so true. STV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange Battery Posted April 15, 2004 Share Posted April 15, 2004 :cry: real must not be allowed to spread, it has to be kept in things that we don't need to install. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonComet Posted April 15, 2004 Share Posted April 15, 2004 I despise real. I hope they finish sinking already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PureEdit Posted April 15, 2004 Share Posted April 15, 2004 I will hate apple if they help real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
session Posted April 15, 2004 Share Posted April 15, 2004 (edited) Real should just stop whining and start making some real products. Isn't it enough that they sued Microsoft! What a ----ing baby Edit: and I don't think making media player (and expecting people to pay for such crap) will get them anywhere :sleep: Edited April 15, 2004 by session Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oik Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 well, if apple helps real, apple sells more ipods and may be able to defend their position when ms tries to use it's monopoly power to force people to use wma. do i like hp? no, but by selling hPod's, apple wins. do i like real? no, but by selling iPod's (and fighting ms), apple wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beh Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 Isn't it enough that they sued Microsoft! What a ----ing baby what did they sue ms for?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STV Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 well, if apple helps real, apple sells more ipods and may be able to defend their position when ms tries to use it's monopoly power to force people to use wma.do i like hp? no, but by selling hPod's, apple wins. do i like real? no, but by selling iPod's (and fighting ms), apple wins. you talk about ms forcing people to use wma. well by taking what you said, i believe that you are letting ms force you to use other formats. it seems that you hate ms just for the hell of it, as someone else said, "because it is the 'in' thing to do" STV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
session Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 what did they sue ms for?? money :shifty: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishercounter Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 as Frodo and Gandalf would say... "down with real, down with apple" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
session Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 and i didn't remember they said that :hmmm: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Veteran Posted April 16, 2004 Veteran Share Posted April 16, 2004 Let them beg. Have them publish a video online of the top 100 execs getting on their hands and knees, begging Apple (or anyone for that matter) to save them. Then someone might help them, just out of pity. Until then, Real deserves to go banckrupt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tanshu Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 According to the email leaked by Apple, it was more like threatening them than actually begging. Considering that Real is not in a position to do that, that was really dumb. Also, according to CNet, they not only create a PR nighmare for Real, they might have also hurt their case against Microsoft by threatening Apple that they might form an alliance with MS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beh Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 mone:shifty:y: how much? smart guy.:rolleyes:s: and for what reason? edit: I despise real by the way:shifty:y: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Veteran Posted April 16, 2004 Veteran Share Posted April 16, 2004 how much? smart guy. :rolleyes: and for what reason?edit: I despise real by the way :shifty: Real claimed that it's losing customers because Microsoft includes WMP with Windows, so people don't download RealOne. Honestly, come on... If a file needs RealOne, and one wants to view it, he/she will install RealOne and watch the file, end of story. Real has a groundless argument from my perspective... Edit: Here's a link to the article on Neowin: https://www.neowin.net/comments.php?id=16052&category=main Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beh Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 thanks :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oik Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 you talk about ms forcing people to use wma. well by taking what you said, i believe that you are letting ms force you to use other formats. it seems that you hate ms just for the hell of it, as someone else said, "because it is the 'in' thing to do"STV nice try, guy. wma will end being like msie was back in the day. "oh, we can't remove it from the operating system" princeton professor comes into court, shows how it can be removed. ms turns around and releases an 'update' that makes it impossible to remove msie. so what was the default browser on your computer when you first turned it on? i don't hate ms, but if you ignore the fact that ms has used it's monopoly to push themselves into people's lives, you're a moron. it has nothing to do with what is "in", it's common sense. do you have any? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xer34 Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 i hope real sinks to the bottom where it belongs.. and never ever comes back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STV Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 nice try, guy.wma will end being like msie was back in the day. "oh, we can't remove it from the operating system" princeton professor comes into court, shows how it can be removed. ms turns around and releases an 'update' that makes it impossible to remove msie. so what was the default browser on your computer when you first turned it on? i don't hate ms, but if you ignore the fact that ms has used it's monopoly to push themselves into people's lives, you're a moron. it has nothing to do with what is "in", it's common sense. do you have any? two, things: - i understand your position, but i dont agree with all of it - i am not a moron :) STV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
session Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 wma will end being like msie was back in the day. "oh, we can't remove it from the operating system" and wma is a file format, not a program :) I don't see any reason why you can't remove wma... simply delete the file and it's gone :whistle: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 I really think Apple is shooting themselves in the foot by not opening up. History is repeating itself. Apple has a HUGE lead on the competition....Apple gets a big head...Apple gets complacent...Apple puts out one or two bad machines/makes a couple dumb moves...Apple loses marketshare handoverfoot. We saw it with the personal computers, and if Apple keeps the big head and the closed system, it may just happen again. As of right now, the iPod is really the only thing that Apple is making serious bank on right now. You all saw it...46 million in profits for the quarter. Without the iPod, that's pretty much gone. Whether it's Real or Dell or Sony...I say if a big company comes begging for your product, you let them use it...course if you're as desparate as Real is, you take them to the cleaners on the deal...but you let them in nonetheless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oik Posted April 17, 2004 Share Posted April 17, 2004 I really think Apple is shooting themselves in the foot by not opening up. History is repeating itself. Apple has a HUGE lead on the competition....Apple gets a big head...Apple gets complacent...Apple puts out one or two bad machines/makes a couple dumb moves...Apple loses marketshare handoverfoot. We saw it with the personal computers, and if Apple keeps the big head and the closed system, it may just happen again. As of right now, the iPod is really the only thing that Apple is making serious bank on right now. You all saw it...46 million in profits for the quarter. Without the iPod, that's pretty much gone.Whether it's Real or Dell or Sony...I say if a big company comes begging for your product, you let them use it...course if you're as desparate as Real is, you take them to the cleaners on the deal...but you let them in nonetheless seems like i'm going to disagree with you on everything here. you forget that most of apple's problem came while jobs was gone. there was an issue of macaddict (that i probably threw out) listing all of apple's ceo's and all the 'bad stuff' that occurred under each man's reign. besides, for as much as jobs has brought to apple over the past years, you can hardly doubt the man knows what he's doing. the real question is, what if he dies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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