Steven Posted April 23, 2004 Author Share Posted April 23, 2004 (edited) tada! you win :D Neobond I think you're trying to compare how it could be abused in any other forum. This forum is special because since it only has a few specific purposes. Buying, Selling & Trading. Who is actually losing out if the seller closes the thread for no reason? IMO only the seller is. The seller just looks like an idiot if he/she closes his/her own thread for no reason. I can't see any harm or foul to the other people. I See this is why you made a special FEEDBACK Forum. This way we go into the feedback area, and make feedback that the seller is a scam artist or a bad seller!! Edited April 23, 2004 by xStainDx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nXP_151 Veteran Posted April 23, 2004 Veteran Share Posted April 23, 2004 Why not? I don't understand. It's their thread, dedicated to what they want to sell. I'm not trying to be argumentative, I just don't understand how it could be bad if they locked the thread when they wanted to. I know, it's their trade, but what IF misuse happened ? we go with some factors here: - Competitive issue, what if there is someone selling the same thing, lower price, I mean envy/jealousy can occur, the member can closed the thread and so on. - As I said earlier, If we allow members to have ability to close his/her topic on that forum, please remember, the members also have the ability to lock other's post. It gives you the option for a Title and subtitle in the Title, write what it is and in the subtitle the date it closes. THEN on that date, the mod can go through and close those threads! tada! Yup, good idea, write when you want to close the topic on the description field.I think you're trying to compare how it could be abused in any other forum. This forum is special though since it only has a few purposes. Buying, Selling & Trading. Don't tell me abuse do NOT happen here in Neowin forum, it happens in every forum, though the forum is for special purpose as you mention, but still, it's not good idea for members to have post locking capability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Posted April 23, 2004 Author Share Posted April 23, 2004 (edited) nXP you didn't read me correctly.. haha.. Any other forum includes Every forum on neowin except NeoBay. I'm not talking about another website. You are looking too deep into something that probably won't happen. This forum is to sell things if you close your own thread you're only hurting yourself and nobody else. Transacations that happen on Neowin aren't legally binding since these are not Auctions. BTW you haven't given an example of how you think it could be abused. All i keep hearing from you and neobond that it will be. - Competitive issue, what if there is someone selling the same thing, lower price, I mean envy/jealousy can occur, the member can closed the thread and so on. I'm requesting that you can ONLY CLOSE THE TOPIC YOU STARTED. Not go around and close any topic in the forum. :ermm: Why in the world would anyone close their own topic because someone is selling something else or the same thing? How does jealousy factor into or envy? If someone is selling something less I'm damn sure as hell i'm going to keep my thread open and sell it at a better price. It's called competition and thatd good competition. It's how the business world works. :p Again if you close your own topic your only losing out yourself. If a seller wnats to not sell something they should be allowed to close their topic. You basically discontinued the sale. So What? Where is the abuse? If the do abuse it their only harming themselves and thats why you guys have a FEEDBACK Forum. I'd file a feedback //Start Feedback [uSERX] This Member is a bad seller.. and i'd give reasons why.. Member constantly opens sales.. gives out information about products then retracts them all all the time. I've made serious offers for the products that the seller was offering. I recommend you do not buy from this seller becasue they don't live up to their deals. //end feedback Now the only person that caused this harm is the seller/trader themselves. If you're smart you'll use the ability correctly if you use it wrong then you're only asking for trouble that you caused. :) Edited April 23, 2004 by xStainDx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kairon Posted April 23, 2004 Share Posted April 23, 2004 (N) Bad idea, could be abused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Posted April 23, 2004 Author Share Posted April 23, 2004 lol i love how nobody gives any examples. :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OPaul Posted April 23, 2004 Share Posted April 23, 2004 Really, I've been sitting here long and hard and I can't think of any scenario how this could be abused. - Competitive issue, what if there is someone selling the same thing, lower price, I mean envy/jealousy can occur, the member can closed the thread and so on.Like xStainDx said, they should only be allowed to close their own thread, not everyone else's.- As I said earlier, If we allow members to have ability to close his/her topic on that forum, please remember, the members also have the ability to lock other's post. Are you saying that if you allow them to lock their own thread they also have the ability lock other people's threads? Is it not possible to just make them able to lock their own thread then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nXP_151 Veteran Posted April 23, 2004 Veteran Share Posted April 23, 2004 You are looking too deep into something that probably won't happen. This forum is to sell things if you close your own thread you're only hurting yourself and nobody else. Transacations that happen on Neowin aren't legally binding since these are not Auctions.It happens in every forum, you can't predict it will happen straight away, but I am saying that because I want to prevent it from happening when we enable member to close their own topic. BTW you haven't given an example of how you think it could be abused. All i keep hearing from you and neobond that it will be. I don't need to give you example, think to yourself, what if we allow members to have that function ? really it's not because we don't trust the members, but we want it to prevent from happening. I know it can be easily be enabled from Admin Control Panel, but once enabled, not only you can close your own topic in Neobay forum, but your own topic as well in other forum. So what if we enabled ? fine for the Neobay forum and not fine on the other forums, say you post offending thread in General Discussion, you know that you can close the topic whenever you want. So not a good idea, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nXP_151 Veteran Posted April 23, 2004 Veteran Share Posted April 23, 2004 Are you saying that if you allow them to lock their own thread they also have the ability lock other people's threads? Is it not possible to just make them able to lock their own thread then? My mistake, I just checked my Admin CP in my own forum, so only can close member's own thread, not others. Again, as I said "I know it can be easily be enabled from Admin Control Panel, but once enabled, not only you can close your own topic in Neobay forum, but your own topic as well in other forum " that makes sense ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OPaul Posted April 23, 2004 Share Posted April 23, 2004 I know it can be easily be enabled from Admin Control Panel, but once enabled, not only you can close your own topic in Neobay forum, but your own topic as well in other forum. Ah see I did not know this, now I understand. I thought you could allow a person to lock their thread ONLY, in a specific forum (i.e. ONLY NeoBay). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nXP_151 Veteran Posted April 23, 2004 Veteran Share Posted April 23, 2004 I want to add something, according to my IPB forum Admin CP, the option of can lock own thread is in user group settings. So in other words, if admins here decided to give group "Registered" option to close own thread, it will apply to all users in "Registered" groups, so it will apply to all forums in Neowin forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlishFun Veteran Posted April 23, 2004 Veteran Share Posted April 23, 2004 So in other words, if admins here decided to give group "Registered" option to close own thread, it will apply to all users in "Registered" groups, so it will apply to all forums in Neowin forum. ... which could DEFINATELY be abused. :yes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OPaul Posted April 23, 2004 Share Posted April 23, 2004 Yea, that makes sense. Perhaps a hack could be made when version 2 comes out, if it doesn't already allow this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlishFun Veteran Posted April 23, 2004 Veteran Share Posted April 23, 2004 Yea, that makes sense. Perhaps a hack could be made when version 2 comes out, if it doesn't already allow this. I heard through the grapevine that 2.0 does support something like this, so if anything, it may happen then, but that won't be for awhile, I think. *shrugs* Then again, I'm not an Admin, so I dunno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpm Posted April 27, 2004 Share Posted April 27, 2004 How about a special user group for dedicated sellers (10+) and allow them the abiltiy to close their own threads but tell them only to use it in NeoBay or else face banning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven P. Administrators Posted April 27, 2004 Administrators Share Posted April 27, 2004 There is no need for members to lock their own topics, that is what moderators are for. I can think of many examples of how a service can become abused because the responsibility is handed to the consumer/member/user. The best example is that it would create more work for us if we have to reverse the decisions members make on closing their threads. I haven't commented at all on ANY threads being closed (even by mods) because I seriously wonder if its all necassary. Maybe a forum thats read only we can move the 'dealt with threads' too would serve better as a archive than having a forum full of 'locked' posts which doesn't to my mind look inviting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Dorr Veteran Posted April 27, 2004 Veteran Share Posted April 27, 2004 I think a "Cha Ching!" forum would work well :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john smith 1924 Veteran Posted April 27, 2004 Veteran Share Posted April 27, 2004 I think guys as coming to this community you place a level of 'trust' in the moderators to go about their jobs. Members being able to close / open posts even in this case isn't an especially good plan, essentially because (as neobond highlights) it potentially doubles the load on mods, and is wide open to abuse. However, i must admit, a locked forum where we can move posts to would be a good repositry for all sales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dL Posted April 27, 2004 Share Posted April 27, 2004 It's a good idea, but is it possible? dL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XLS Posted April 28, 2004 Share Posted April 28, 2004 A time count ? So the thread will close of a x number of days ( Thread starter choice ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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