+Anarkii Subscriber² Posted March 2, 2002 Subscriber² Share Posted March 2, 2002 yup i agree wif everyone here. applications are just WAY TO EXPENSIVE. like if photoshop was $100 id buy it, and macromedia products were around $100 id get that too but honestly not many ppl are millionaires and can afford dreamweaver at $1500 or whatever it is to buy ill stick to my warez coz i know that for the cost of my monthly internet bill, i can afford what i want to get. i think companys should be glad that ppl are using their software. if i made a program like photoshop, and it was used in 80% of worlds computers, i would like to get payed for it, but id get more satisfaction that all those ppl are using my program. make sense? hope so another good reason: why pay $1500 for something when u can get the exact same thing for free? but yeh thats my thoughts. im a warez monkey and to be honest, im proud of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toxikk Veteran Posted March 2, 2002 Veteran Share Posted March 2, 2002 Originally posted by bhd toxikk, i love ur avatar man thanks. welcome to the forum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krome Posted March 2, 2002 Share Posted March 2, 2002 yeah... rock on dude.... hehehehe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babis Posted March 2, 2002 Share Posted March 2, 2002 I try to treat others the way I'd like to be treated. In other words, if I am selling a product I wouldn't appreciate poeple stealing it. I would hope poeple would buy my products. and as such, I can not agree with the concept of warez. personally, I just try to buy the ACD stuff... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neowin_hipster Posted March 2, 2002 Author Share Posted March 2, 2002 Are there any developpers here because I wanna know what they think! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jessterw Posted March 2, 2002 Share Posted March 2, 2002 Originally posted by Goalie_CA Are there any developpers here because I wanna know what they think! I am a developer for an environmental services company that has a few software products on the market. Given the nature of this market, there isn't really problems with warez or piracy. However I am also part of a development team that is working on some new products and the markert these products will be released in is full of warez (think general consumer market) and piracy. Are we worried about it? Not really, most of our products will be sold for between $20 to $100, and most will be backed by technologies we have developed that will be licensed to other companies. If people decide to pirate our software then so be it, of course we would love to see some support from those who choose to use our software, but there's not much that can be done about it. Part of our solution is that we are offering free versions (slimmed down of course) of almost all of the software we develop. I'm not talking about so slimmed down that its crap or ad supported, I'm talking about versions that just might now have all the features that the full version does. I personally have no problem with people downloading software to try it out, but if you find it so usefull that you have to have it, save up some money over time and then go out and buy it. I realize alot of software is expensive and it is just as easy to go out and warez it, but developers suffer when the company they work for is losing money to warez. In addition consumers lose out, think about it, Windows and Office XP probably wouldn't had the Activation systems built-in if it wasn't for warez and piracy. In the end the only people being hurt by this are consumers who are using the software legally (well maybe they installed it on more than one system...). I have a love/hate relationship with Microsoft in that Office is so damn expensive, but Visual Studio is relatively inexpensive, especially if you purchase only one of the products (like Visual Basic or C#). I use DreamWeaver and Photoshop rather religiously, but both are way too expensive for what they do compared to other similiar products... I just happen to have a job that permits me to afford such software. This is of course not an issue that is going to go away, especially in the Windows software market (not much of a problem for other OS's). Maybe though the open source community will start to port some of their really good software (there is alot) to Windows. I know this may seem contradictory to what they are trying to do (bring people to Linux essentially), but it would not only help out consumers and those who can't afford brand-name products, but it would also provide Linux with a way to entice Windows users. I know this is somewhat off topic, but I do see open source (not necessarily free) and low-cost (not necessarily open source or free) software as the solution to this problem of expensive software. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reactionary007 Posted March 2, 2002 Share Posted March 2, 2002 I'm a developer... and i would not care if people stole my **** if i worked for a company that was trying to charge people like 6900 bux for it... software packages like vs.net that cost well over a thousand bux?? who can afford that ****? if i was in charge of the price, people could actually afford the **** and they wouldn't have to warez it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigitalResource Posted March 2, 2002 Share Posted March 2, 2002 Those people put some hard effort in creating their software, think about it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orphic Posted March 2, 2002 Share Posted March 2, 2002 This thread is as out of control as a retard in a room full of bouncy balls. Whoever started this thread is the epitome of stupidity in this world now, breaking the record set by the guy that thought of putting brail letters on ATM Drive-Thrus... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heinrich-X Posted March 2, 2002 Share Posted March 2, 2002 Originally posted by orphic This thread is as out of control as a retard in a room full of bouncy balls. You have seen a retard in a room full of bouncy balls? if you have please get it on video cuz i wanna see retards=funny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Gates Posted March 2, 2002 Share Posted March 2, 2002 awww.... goalie just needs a hug *calls up local ###### house* have fun buddy ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhd Posted March 2, 2002 Share Posted March 2, 2002 what font are you using for your sig and how'd u get it to look like jLO thats mad cool pm the dl link for the font if u can thx :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Gates Posted March 2, 2002 Share Posted March 2, 2002 Originally posted by bhd what font are you using for your sig and how'd u get it to look like jLO thats mad cool pm the dl link for the font if u can thx :) the font is Agency FB and the PLo took a couple hours of editing a pic of the J.Lo logo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigitalResource Posted March 2, 2002 Share Posted March 2, 2002 Lol relax dude :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orphic Posted March 2, 2002 Share Posted March 2, 2002 Time for a reboooooot. I love my r33r0r dedicated sdsl line. :D Lucida Grande 0|/||z0|2z 411 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jessterw Posted March 2, 2002 Share Posted March 2, 2002 Originally posted by reactionary007 I'm a developer... and i would not care if people stole my **** if i worked for a company that was trying to charge people like 6900 bux for it... software packages like vs.net that cost well over a thousand bux?? who can afford that ****? if i was in charge of the price, people could actually afford the **** and they wouldn't have to warez it Why should Microsoft not charge over $1,000 for Visual Studio? I mean it is not just one program that you are getting, have you actually ever seen what you get with VS? Besides the programming language programs that come in VS can be purchased for around $100 a piece, and that's a pretty good deal I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravel5839 Posted March 2, 2002 Share Posted March 2, 2002 i think free is a better deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toker Posted March 2, 2002 Share Posted March 2, 2002 Warez Rulez j00! If companies didnt charge so much,people would pay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted March 2, 2002 Share Posted March 2, 2002 Reading this thread makes me want to ask for the min age limit at neowin to be increased. What a bunch of immature little kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jessterw Posted March 2, 2002 Share Posted March 2, 2002 Originally posted by Toker Warez Rulez j00! If companies didnt charge so much,people would pay Really?! Is that why there are so many warez copies of Winzip, WindowBlinds, WinRAR, Opera (Full Version), etc. around? All of these programs are relatively inexpensive, usually being around the $20 mark, so is that too much still? While I agree cost is a large determining factor, many people do warez simply because they can. It is the thought that your (I'm not excluding myself as I am guitly of supporting warez at times) needs outweight those of the developer or vendor of the software. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dARKSTAr Posted March 2, 2002 Share Posted March 2, 2002 I have a job now and so i don't warez, well i do but i make an evaluation of the software downloaded and delete it or go and buy it when i've decided if it's worth my money. But as i asked in an earlier post, how are people who are new to computing, and who can't afford to make a significant investment in the cost of software supposed to learn when the cost of said software is so prohibitively expensive? I think that the majority of people who post that warez are bad, have jobs and can afford to buy software and so now "warez is evil". you are like reformed alcoholics that preach to people that drinking is bad cause you don't drink anymore. warez is a necessary evil until you have a job and can afford to buy it. if you can afford the software, and continue to warez, or if you continue to warez when the software you have is inexpensive? then you are simply a jerk! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antoinebj Posted March 3, 2002 Share Posted March 3, 2002 It's unbeleivable people try to find a reason why it's morally sane to get Warez. It's simply stealing. I'm a developer, and I know it takes a long long time to develop software. It's not because the CD is cheap or that the files containing the software are easily copied that you have to do all this. Would you have stolen an expensive painting toolkit (a real one) from a shop? I guess not. So why do you think it's better to steal Photoshop? If the price is so high, there's a reason to it. The people who develop the software, do just that. It's not a hobby and they need to sell their software. If you want to try software, get the trial version. If you can't afford software don't steal it, or if you do, don't say it's ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaff Posted May 26, 2002 Share Posted May 26, 2002 ahahahah :o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deckhand Posted May 26, 2002 Share Posted May 26, 2002 i think warez actually helps companies make money buy making copy proof technologies, etc. even though there will always be ways around it, warez is just like the everyday rolling the stop sign, and the police get paid to try to stop it. its kinda like if there wasnt any viruses, companies such as symantec or mcafee wouldnt profit from them. theres my 2 cents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hypercube Posted May 26, 2002 Share Posted May 26, 2002 Software priced too expensive does not in any way constitute warez. There is something called "Academic Edition". At edu.com you can the the "design collection" from adobe including photoshop 7 for only 395.95. Link: http://www.edu.com/market/product.asp?pf%5...F867B2811921984 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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