ainoa Posted June 2, 2004 Share Posted June 2, 2004 This is a clip from an air show (no idea where), pretty cool http://bemil.chosun.com/movie%20link/su-35.wmv Characteristics of Su-35: Crew 1 Maximum takeoff weight, kg 34,000 Weight of empty aircraft, kg 18,400 Maximum warload, kg 8,000 Power plant, number x type of engine 2 x AL31FM Maximum afterburning thrust, kg 12,800 Maximum flight speed, km/h: near ground 1,400 at high altitude 2,500 Service ceiling, m 18,000 Flight range, km: with internal fuel reserve 3,200 with one refueling 6,500 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soviet Posted June 2, 2004 Share Posted June 2, 2004 pretty cool when it uses it's breaks (whatever they call em) <--total avation noob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yaawia Posted June 2, 2004 Share Posted June 2, 2004 wrong thread sry. YAAWIA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dallas Posted June 2, 2004 Share Posted June 2, 2004 woah :woot: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G4M3R Posted June 2, 2004 Share Posted June 2, 2004 Excellent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennyout Posted June 2, 2004 Share Posted June 2, 2004 pretty cool when it uses it's breaks (whatever they call em)<--total avation noob. and for someone who has the name "Soviet" you should know your Russian Planes... its just an AirBrake... these planes i hear give their american F-18 counter parts a run for their money... http://www.sci.fi/~fta/Su-35.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ainoa Posted June 2, 2004 Author Share Posted June 2, 2004 I think F-18 can't even compare to Su-35, Su-35 is somewhere between F-18 and F-22. Can't get any Su-37 clips, though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennyout Posted June 2, 2004 Share Posted June 2, 2004 ^^see i can't remember.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroChaos Veteran Posted June 2, 2004 Veteran Share Posted June 2, 2004 goddamn, i know it's never been used in combat, but damn, the cobra move is the most ****ing insane thing i've ever seen, how a plane can just stop like that, and have basically 0 horizontal movement. USAF fanboys will always be like "it's worthless in combat", but they only say that cuz the US doesn't have anything that comes close... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[jon] Posted June 2, 2004 Share Posted June 2, 2004 one word: heh :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzla Veteran Posted June 2, 2004 Veteran Share Posted June 2, 2004 goddamn, i know it's never been used in combat, but damn, the cobra move is the most ****ing insane thing i've ever seen, how a plane can just stop like that, and have basically 0 horizontal movement. USAF fanboys will always be like "it's worthless in combat", but they only say that cuz the US doesn't have anything that comes close... Goddamn yeah! That ****ing owns! The way it stopped was just ****ing amazing! The agility of that thing was amazing!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Bourricot Posted June 2, 2004 Share Posted June 2, 2004 Nice to see the Russians haven't gone to sleep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdsams Veteran Posted June 2, 2004 Veteran Share Posted June 2, 2004 (edited) goddamn, i know it's never been used in combat, but damn, the cobra move is the most ****ing insane thing i've ever seen, how a plane can just stop like that, and have basically 0 horizontal movement.? USAF fanboys will always be like "it's worthless in combat", but they only say that cuz the US doesn't have anything that comes close... wait till the f22 raptor comes out, i think in 2k5, it has the same exhasut thrusters as that plane, and its stealth..... that plane cant hit what it cant see also the russians tend to put what ever never tech they come up with into a plane quicker than us...but the US gets more tech waits, gets more, then builds a plane....in the past USSR has built planes that are slightly better than ours, then we release a new plane that completly dominates theres this is a pic oour plane doing same thing: Edited June 2, 2004 by Netrack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98XT Posted June 2, 2004 Share Posted June 2, 2004 That's better than sex dammit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Custom Posted June 2, 2004 Share Posted June 2, 2004 pretty cool i like the f22 better though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98XT Posted June 2, 2004 Share Posted June 2, 2004 wait till the f22 raptor comes out, i think in 2k5, it has the same exhasut thrusters as that plane, and its stealth..... that plane cant hit what it cant seealso the russians tend to put what ever never tech they come up with into a plane quicker than us...but the US gets more tech waits, gets more, then builds a plane....in the past USSR has built planes that are slightly better than ours, then we release a new plane that completly dominates theres this is a pic oour plane doing same thing: http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/f-22...0727topwind.jpg You'll never tailslide an F22 and keep the engines running. Fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hypoxiaicon Posted June 2, 2004 Share Posted June 2, 2004 The amout of G's he/she must of pulled must of been crazy. Usless in combat... be interesting when an enemy fighter has a missle lock or is trying to engage you and you just stop like that. Notice when it lands the first time how close the nose comes to hitting the runway? Some pretty advanced technology in that ;). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexor Posted June 2, 2004 Share Posted June 2, 2004 wait till the f22 raptor comes out just wait till NVidia comes out with 7800 Ultra! first we have the hardware hype, now we gonna have jet plane hype :rofl: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mAcOdIn Veteran Posted June 2, 2004 Veteran Share Posted June 2, 2004 Aerodynamically I think the Russian planes almost always dominated us, we excel in our computer usage. As someone who just thinks flying is awesome I love how the Russians make thier planes however if you wanna think militarily while the russians have the manueverability we don't even have to see thier planes to shoot it down anymore so manueverability is kinda a moot point nowadays. But the wannabe pilot in me says Russia's planes are better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-52Stratofortress Posted June 3, 2004 Share Posted June 3, 2004 Britain's Defence Evaluation and Research Agency (now split into QinetiQ and DSTL) did an operational evaluation comparing various fighters in how well they performed against an expected adversary aircraft, the Sukhoi Su-35. This study used real pilots flying the JOUST system of networked simulators. Various western aircraft were put in simulated combat against the Su-35. The results were: F/A-22 Raptor 10.1 : 1 Su-35 1.0 : 1 These results mean, for example, that in simulated combat, 10.1 Su-35s were shot down for every Raptor lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-52Stratofortress Posted June 3, 2004 Share Posted June 3, 2004 You'll never tailslide an F22 and keep the engines running. Fact. I have heard alot of 'talk' and confident bragging here on the famed "cobra maneuver" and the "super-cobra" by the Russians, who brag about this also, Sukhois's (Su-37's, etc). I wish to discuss some facts that illustrate the "cobra's" ineffectiveness..... First, the "cobra maneuver" and "super-cobra" can only be done without any armament and with less than 50% or half the fuel tanks..... Second, the "cobra maneuver" and "super-cobra" performed in a wrong way can cause serious damages and in fact, has attributed to numerous deaths of pilots at 15g. Thirdly, the "cobra maneuver" and "super cobra" is only effective if the interceptor is really close and does not pick it up .... Fourth, the "cobra maneuver" and "super-cobra" slows the Sukhoi down so much that if the interceptor spots the maneuver early enough and adjusts there is absolutely no way that the Sukhoi can survive. Fifth, the only air maneuvers that the Sukhoi's can truly claim as a "no one else can do" is the "Super Cobra" and "Kulbit". The Swedish did the famed "cobra maneuver" back in the 60's and it has been claimed, yet still unconfirmed, that a number of US aircraft (ie: F-22, etc.) can perform the standard "cobra maneuver". Sixth, the Sukhoi's can also do a 120 degree AOA (angle of attack) which they also brag about but fail to comment on how long the aircraft can hold the position. The 120 AOA has only been proven to have been done a few times and only for a few seconds. On the other hand.......the F-22 can perform a constant 60 +/- degree AOA, not seconds, and can do this while rocking the wings at higher speeds than the Sukhoi's. This is a feat that NO other aircraft can do. Also, the AOA for the F-22 is unlimited even though it has not been tested outside the wind tunnel tests beyond 80 degrees + AOA. Here is a picture of a F-22 doing such a 70 degree AOA upside down. To confirm this, look at the engine heat: Any AOA beyond 60 degrees is pointless or simply not needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98XT Posted June 3, 2004 Share Posted June 3, 2004 I have heard alot of 'talk' and confident bragging here on the famed "cobra maneuver" and the "super-cobra" by the Russians, who brag about this also, Sukhois's (Su-37's, etc).I wish to discuss some facts that illustrate the "cobra's" ineffectiveness..... First, the "cobra maneuver" and "super-cobra" can only be done without any armament and with less than 50% or half the fuel tanks..... Second, the "cobra maneuver" and "super-cobra" performed in a wrong way can cause serious damages and in fact, has attributed to numerous deaths of pilots at 15g. Thirdly, the "cobra maneuver" and "super cobra" is only effective if the interceptor is really close and does not pick it up .... Fourth, the "cobra maneuver" and "super-cobra" slows the Sukhoi down so much that if the interceptor spots the maneuver early enough and adjusts there is absolutely no way that the Sukhoi can survive. Fifth, the only air maneuvers that the Sukhoi's can truly claim as a "no one else can do" is the "Super Cobra" and "Kulbit". The Swedish did the famed "cobra maneuver" back in the 60's and it has been claimed, yet still unconfirmed, that a number of US aircraft (ie: F-22, etc.) can perform the standard "cobra maneuver". Sixth, the Sukhoi's can also do a 120 degree AOA (angle of attack) which they also brag about but fail to comment on how long the aircraft can hold the position. The 120 AOA has only been proven to have been done a few times and only for a few seconds. On the other hand.......the F-22 can perform a constant 60 +/- degree AOA, not seconds, and can do this while rocking the wings at higher speeds than the Sukhoi's. This is a feat that NO other aircraft can do. Also, the AOA for the F-22 is unlimited even though it has not been tested outside the wind tunnel tests beyond 80 degrees + AOA. Here is a picture of a F-22 doing such a 70 degree AOA upside down. To confirm this, look at the engine heat: http://www.codeonemagazine.com/events/apr_...03_events13.jpg Any AOA beyond 60 degrees is pointless or simply not needed. Cobra is pertainable in the 22. Just a straight out tailslide won't keep the engines running in the 22. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-52Stratofortress Posted June 3, 2004 Share Posted June 3, 2004 Cobra is pertainable in the 22. Just a straight out tailslide won't keep the engines running in the 22. The "cobra" can be done by many aircraft, probably not at 120 degree AOA. But there isn't a Russian aircraft today that can do a constant sustained 60 degree AOA. Some of the US aircraft that can fall within the definition of doing the "cobra" maneuver are: F-22: this platform has a "unlimited" AOA and can do a sustained constant 60 degree AOA and there is no other aircraft who can do this. F/A-18 A/B/C/D/E/F: the 18E also does a fairly sustained 60 degree AOA.....fully loaded....drop tanks and weapons. F-15 A/B/C/D/E F-16 A/B/C/D/E F-14 A/B/C/D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hankster Posted June 3, 2004 Share Posted June 3, 2004 great f/a-22 pix guys - what are your source(s)? tia! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuka_t Posted June 3, 2004 Share Posted June 3, 2004 Any AOA beyond 60 degrees is pointless or simply not needed. in todays world, a fighter jet is not needed. whats the point of a fighter if all we do is bomb third world countries? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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