Destian Posted June 8, 2004 Share Posted June 8, 2004 This is incorrect.SkinStudio IS free. The fact that SkinStudio Pro exists doesn't make SkinStudio "crippled". No, but as mentioned, the startup delay DOES make SkinStudio "crippled," and intentionally so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kona Posted June 8, 2004 Share Posted June 8, 2004 No, but as mentioned, the startup delay DOES make SkinStudio "crippled," and intentionally so. Your complaining about a splash screen? that screen does not hamper Skinstudios ability to make a fully functioning wb. :angry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Septimus Posted June 9, 2004 Share Posted June 9, 2004 No, but as mentioned, the startup delay DOES make SkinStudio "crippled," and intentionally so. The same can be said for StyleBuilder, but that, well for me, stops working after a period of time instead. How can a splash screen cripple? Is the delay ageing anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schmoove Posted June 9, 2004 Share Posted June 9, 2004 this is so stupid and childish. all of this because somebody got mad, took his ball, and went home. the skinner is question did indeed make nice skins. i've used many of them myself. but to get angry and remove the skins from download sites so that nobody who doesn't have them at present can get them in the future? come on!! let's grow up a bit. i think the last time i took my baseball and went home was when i was 7 or 8. and why are you guys ragging on stardock? the skinner in question only made one blind. everything else was in the msstyle format. why is tgtsoft being slammed here instead of stardock? it seems to me that now tha tthe ram useage has been disproved, the next avenue used to criticize stardock is the payment of royalties. why should stardock pay? if you made a skin and uploaded it somewhere, you did so under your own free will. nobody forced you to uplaod a skin anywhere. stardock makes the apps needed to use the skins. maybe you should pay stardock a few pennies because their app is allowing people to use your skin. that last statement was pretty ridiculous, wasn't it? it was no more ridiculous than the claim that stardock should be paying anyone who uploads skins that are used by their apps. My brain is finally connecting the dots..... Quite obvious who this skinner is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearded Kirklander Posted June 9, 2004 Share Posted June 9, 2004 I think people don't know what CRIPPLEware means. Isn't that when something actually is broken/not working in the demo version, like the ability to save files, and in order to get it to work you have to pay for the full package? I think a splash screen or intro screen is not crippleware and I think most people would agree with that. Nagware, ok, maybe. But crippleware? I don't see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearded Kirklander Posted June 9, 2004 Share Posted June 9, 2004 My brain is finally connecting the dots..... Quite obvious who this skinner is. Please - no inuendo - call him out by name so we can all know who you are talking about. Accusing someone anonymously is lame. Put it all out on the line and let the person deny it or affirm it or whatever. Please. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schmoove Posted June 9, 2004 Share Posted June 9, 2004 Please - no inuendo - call him out by name so we can all know who you are talking about. Accusing someone anonymously is lame. Put it all out on the line and let the person deny it or affirm it or whatever. Please. :) I assume you know who I quote here: i've removed the downloads to my themes. it is time i take a step back from the theming community. I removed the downloads because i no longer wish to be associated with the customization community. most of you all are wonderful people, don't take this as a jab, i'm just done. tgtsoft and stardock are a disgrace to the customization community and should be challenged by another company immediately. there is money to be made in desktop customization, but not in the way the current dogs are doing it. don't note me about this. i won't reply, and i don't want you to take offense. I'm not accusing anyone. Just showing you the connection. Its up to you to decide if I am right or not. I am not gonna call names now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearded Kirklander Posted June 9, 2004 Share Posted June 9, 2004 I assume you know who I quote here: Why not just say you thought it was BANT and stop being coy? You should be able to say what you want if you think it is the truth and not hide behind wording, right? Anyway, so you are saying that BANT has 2 accounts and is posting on both of them in violation of site rules? Is there any proof of that? I don't know the guy from Adam but nomatter who it is you should have to backup your claims. You could have asked a moderator to check for a double account instead of making the claim without knowing for sure. I don't think what you are doing is very nice or very fair is all and I hope you would apologize if you can't prove what you claim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schmoove Posted June 9, 2004 Share Posted June 9, 2004 Why not just say you thought it was BANT and stop being coy? You should be able to say what you want if you think it is the truth and not hide behind wording, right?Anyway, so you are saying that BANT has 2 accounts and is posting on both of them in violation of site rules? Is there any proof of that? I don't know the guy from Adam but nomatter who it is you should have to backup your claims. You could have asked a moderator to check for a double account instead of making the claim without knowing for sure. I don't think what you are doing is very nice or very fair is all and I hope you would apologize if you can't prove what you claim. First of all I never said it was Bant and I am not saying it is Bant. That is what you make of it. I don't care what you think of it.... Based on what I read I think I know who it is and that's all, you wanted to know what I thought. I gave you a hint and never accused anyone, it was you who called the character by name.. I'm not accusing anyone, and you can think of it what you want, I don't care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearded Kirklander Posted June 9, 2004 Share Posted June 9, 2004 First of all I never said it was Bant and I am not saying it is Bant. That is what you make of it.I don't care what you think of it.... I'm not accusing anyone, and you can think of it what you want, I don't care. Sounds like Bill Clinton right? Remember "It depends on what your definition of IS, is." Oh brother. :D (i'm just having a little fun) It is obvious what you were trying to do, and I think that is not very nice. You should have the guts to say what you feel and back it up when you accuse someone. That's the point I'm trying to get across. I hope you can understand that and not get mad because I have that opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schmoove Posted June 9, 2004 Share Posted June 9, 2004 You voted for Bill Clinton right? Remember "It depends on what your definition of IS, is." Oh brother. :DIt is obvious what you were trying to do, and I think that is not very nice. You should have the guts to say what you feel and back it up when you accuse someone. That's the point I'm trying to get across. I hope you can understand that and not get mad because I have that opinion. I am not an american citizen so I can't vote, but yes Clinton would have gotten my vote. Who said I was nice? Besides that I don't see the harm in it.... If anyone has a problem with it he or she can report me to the moderators, that's what they are for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearded Kirklander Posted June 9, 2004 Share Posted June 9, 2004 I am not an american citizen so I can't vote, but yes Clinton would have gotten my vote. I was just joking around about that. I probably should not have, but it just popped into my head and I typed the post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pas Posted June 9, 2004 Share Posted June 9, 2004 (edited) connect the dots, huh? why? i'll tell you who i am. on wc, i go snidely whiplash. is that an issue here? no, not in any fashion. have i ported msstyles to wb format? yes, i have. have i done so with complete cooperation and approval of the msstyle author? yes, on every project. and yes, i voted for clinton and would do so again in a heartbeat :) man, my grammar in the first post was horrible. for that, i apologize to my grade school grammar teachers. and please, don't take this post as an angry post. it isn't meant to be ;) Edited June 9, 2004 by Pas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ludeboy Posted June 9, 2004 Share Posted June 9, 2004 I don't see where this thread is headed. Are some of you insinuating that leedogg is Bant? Because I highly doubt he is. He has over 800 posts and I have seen him around for a very long time. Back to the issue at hand. There's no reason to get your panties in a bunch. Leedogg just brought up an interesting point and if you choose to reply to it, please do. There's no need to say "what's wrong with you" just because he asked a question. I don't think he was here to cause any trouble. Just making a valid point that some authors might feel stiffed because they're making skins to make a company money and seeing no reward for it. I also don't think this only applies to Stardock but also to TGT Soft. When I mentioned that SkinStudio was crippled, I was not referring to the startup delay. I was referring to many of the features being disabled. For instance importing widgets and creating WMP skins and such. However, like I said, those do not bother me. The nag screen during startup does. Is it wrong or illegal for Stardock to do this? NO. But it is annoying. And I'm sure authors will be discouraged from using it for that reason. Edit: I just re-read this thread and I think a lot of you are misunderstanding what Schmoove is saying. He's connecting the dots to Pas' posts and we all know Pas was referring to Bant. He wasn't inferring that you are Bant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schmoove Posted June 9, 2004 Share Posted June 9, 2004 I never said someone was double posting here.... Both Pas and Leedogg mentioned an artist they know. An artist I know recently decided to quit making themes because he basically decided he didnt want to continue having certain companies make money off his work. and: this is so stupid and childish. all of this because somebody got mad, took his ball, and went home. the skinner is question did indeed make nice skins. So I don't know where that double posting comes from, but it has nothing to do with it. Now do your math and you know who they mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pas Posted June 9, 2004 Share Posted June 9, 2004 folks, i misunderstood one of the posts by schmoove. i sincerely regret my mistake. schmoove, you have my apologies. again, it was my mistake. i misunderstood. sorry. :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frogboy Administrators Posted June 9, 2004 Administrators Share Posted June 9, 2004 I just think calling SkinStudio crippled is really offensive. Especially if the reasons are because it has a title screen and that it doesn't let you create Windows Media Player skins. Is Stardock to be condemned because it doesn't make it free to make MICROSOFT WMP skins? The bottom line is that Stardock provides a very powerful WB visual style creation tool totally free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schmoove Posted June 9, 2004 Share Posted June 9, 2004 folks, i misunderstood one of the posts by schmoove. i sincerely regret my mistake. schmoove, you have my apologies. again, it was my mistake. i misunderstood. sorry. :rolleyes: No worries man ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ludeboy Posted June 9, 2004 Share Posted June 9, 2004 I'm sorry if that came out offensive, Brad. All I meant was that SS Free is "crippled" compared to Pro. I guess the term "crippled" was used hastily in that regard. No one's condemning Stardock for anything. No one said you guys are doing anything wrong. These are just our feelings regarding your products. You can take it or just ignore it. Of course people are going to want more for less. That's how the economy works, Brad. You of all people should know that. It's just how much you're willing to give and how people value your products. If you're making enough money as it is, who cares what a few people on a forum think? I realize you're a software company and if you gave out all your software for free, you'd make no profits. But it couldn't hurt us, as consumers, to ask for more, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frogboy Administrators Posted June 10, 2004 Administrators Share Posted June 10, 2004 When I buy Windows XP Home, I don't feel it is a "crippled" version of Windows XP Professional. When I download Quicktime and use it to watch movie previews, I don't consider it "crippled" simply because Quicktime Pro exists. SkinStudio was brought up in the context of making visual styles (which is what this discussion is all about). SkinStudio is not crippled in the sense of creating visual styles. The free version of SkinStudio, for instance, has vastly VASTLY more features than StyleBuilder does (which ISN'T free). I don't see how one can argue that because SkinStudio freeware doesn't create Windows Media Player skins that that somehow has any relevance to this discussion. If SkinStudio couldn't create visual styles with scrollbars, THAT would be crippled. But Windows Media Player skins are certainly not visual styles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ludeboy Posted June 10, 2004 Share Posted June 10, 2004 The relevance was just to say that features are in Pro that aren't in Free. I don't know why you're so bent out of shape on the word "crippled." I've already touched on that in my last comment. I used it IN COMPARISON to the Pro version. All you're doing now is repeating yourself. Fine so SkinStudio is not crippled. It's all a matter of semantics really. All I'm saying is the nag screen is annoying. And as a skin author making your company money, it's pretty silly to make them have to wait. And for the love of God, drop that WMP skin thing. I only said it to show that features were taken out. I also brought up importing widgets. Why are not bent out of shape on that part? Maybe because it does have something to do with creating visual styles? v. crip?pled, crip?pling, crip?ples 2. To deprive of strength, activity, or capability for service or use; to disable; to deprive of resources BTW, XP Home IS a crippled version of XP Pro in all sense of the word. It's also a piece of crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#Michael Posted June 10, 2004 Share Posted June 10, 2004 My thoughts on this is two fold: 1. Artists who make the themes should be able to have the choice to sell their work, pixstudio is a perfect example. 2. But if you chose not to charge for but release it to the general public on a public forum such as neowin/wincustomize/themexp then you have no right to any royalties from the company who created the program. You chose to let everyone have it for free, then you shouldn't expect stardock or stylexp or microsoft to pay you a royalty. @ludeboy - can you explain how xp home is a crippled version of pro and how is it a piece of crap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOOPAH256 Posted June 10, 2004 Share Posted June 10, 2004 hmm, i don't know how stardock does business... but i feel that themers should perhaps accept donations for their work. otherwise another underground world of msstyle and wb bootlegging will emerge, and those are never as fun as publicly trading :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldaccount1 Posted June 10, 2004 Share Posted June 10, 2004 donations are a good idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#Michael Posted June 10, 2004 Share Posted June 10, 2004 hmm, i don't know how stardock does business...but i feel that themers should perhaps accept donations for their work. otherwise another underground world of msstyle and wb bootlegging will emerge, and those are never as fun as publicly trading :) Donations is a good idea....but bootlegging? 99% of the msstyles and windowblind skins are free already, so how would an underground community come about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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