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Originally posted by Neobond

Wodin: oh no not another one. When I said Weapons of mass destruction in a conflict.. I meant it as I typed it. The weapons that can wipe out entire cities.

Dont start hunting excuses for something they are not because you will **** me off in the process.

WW2 was the first time a country was able to wipe out a city with one weapon and America used it. We have to be thankful for America protecting the "free world"? well mate. You are American and I am British. You sound like that we would'nt exist if it wasnt for the "New world" Im sorry but I hate that.

I think you have to look at the broader picture before you start screaming USA! USA! Look at what America has done in the world before you start telling me that America is the only reason I do not have to speak German. I find that grossly offensive.

I will help you start your search on world politics. The Middle East is ****ED with America because it supports the Jewish state of Israel unconditionally while Israel have occupied terrority belong to Palestein. (which used to be recognised by the UN)

We dont support the Jewish State Unconditionally. It may seem like that but we don't. You should see the protest In NYC and Politicians condeming the Jewish State. For its Actions. And those protesting aren't just palestinians But Whites Blacks and even some Jews. So don't say we support Israel Unconditionally. Hell Hillary Clinton was bashed because she huged Yasar Arafats wife. And I my self Don't like what Isreal is doing. And most Americans I know don't. ANd Plus Orthodox Jews arn't much liked here either in the good ol USA.

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America might have the most powerful military in the world but if it came down to a major war being fought on American soil you'd **** yourselves.

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We have to be thankful for America protecting the "free world"? well mate. You are American and I am British. You sound like that we would'nt exist if it wasnt for the "New world" Im sorry but I hate that.

So, you really think you would exist? The anti-American European population is really starting to **** me off, claiming these overgeneralizations and sweeping historical inaccuracies just to foster their own inner hatred of the United States. Listen, if it weren't for America (and to a lesser extent, Russia also played a large role in it), you wouldn't exist. Yes, that's right, I said it. You hate it. Why? I don't know. But it's reality. I'd really be interested in knowing how you think the British would have come through and toppled Hitler's army when England was a housed-in island getting bombed day and night.

Other than England, who else was there? The French? No, they had their hands in the air as soon as Hitler marched through Paris. Get off of your moral high-horse and take a look at a non-propagandized history book. Who comprised the battle of Normandy? I'm not asking you or any European to bow down and beg for forgiveness, because, well, we're getting along fine without it. But to claim that you would have won the war with the declining army you had is simply insane.

I think you have to look at the broader picture before you start screaming USA! USA! Look at what America has done in the world before you start telling me that America is the only reason I do not have to speak German. I find that grossly offensive.

Yeah, what has America done in the world? Fought for freedom and democracy in the face of the red menace Communists trying to encapsulate foreign countries into their dictatorial rule? Give me a break.

I will help you start your search on world politics. The Middle East is ****ED with America because it supports the Jewish state of Israel unconditionally while Israel have occupied terrority belong to Palestein. (which used to be recognised by the UN)

They're ****ed at America because we've got what they don't have: freedom. We're not forcing our women to be sit-ins in their homes for the rest of their lives, destined for a life of illiteracy and poverty behind their veils. As for Israel, the country that fought for the land they have now and are currently being terrorized by the Palestinians, who have no intentions for peace, of course we support them. Their men, women and children are being killed by fanatical suicide bombers with no intentions of making peace, just as Yassir Arafat intends. And for the "recognized by the UN," I wouldn't hold anything the UN says in high esteem anyway, they're just as anti-American as any of the European nations are.

Also, to the "French-Canadian," political correctness makes me vomit. "Pardon my French" is a cliche that's been around for ages and your little tirade against it won't make anyone with any decency stop using it.

As for this article itself, what bothers me is not the plan itself, but the fact that it got leaked. Daschle wonders why Bush never told him about the shadow government (or does he? He's been relatively quiet recently). Well, here's why: Congress leaks things like this to the press! Give me a break, Daschle. And for all of you who think that world peace isn't some pipe dream, get a clue. We're not going to sit back while Iraq and North Korea start developing their nukes and point them at us.

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I whole heartedly agree with Mike 11212, the rest of the world Middle east in particular have deep rooted jealousy for the way USA is thriving ahead of everyone in every concievable field. Sheer jealousy at seeing a world class super power prospering. I would say to those in the middle east 'Get your asses off and get to work get an education and build your contries to the level and status of USA. Yes you can, it takes years and years of hardwork. Allow women to equally participate in this developement and you will reap the rewards and benefits of USA. USA has given billions of dollars of aid and what happened ? they all squandered it, because of their petty political differences. Here is an example of democracy standing head and shoulders above the rest. Would the people from the middle east care to pursue it ?

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Originally posted by purush

I whole heartedly agree with Mike 11212, the rest of the world Middle east in particular have deep rooted jealousy for the way USA is thriving ahead of everyone in every concievable field. Sheer jealousy at seeing a world class super power prospering. I would say to those in the middle east 'Get your asses off and get to work get an education and build your contries to the level and status of USA. Yes you can, it takes years and years of hardwork. Allow women to equally participate in this developement and you will reap the rewards and benefits of USA. USA has given billions of dollars of aid and what happened ? they all squandered it, because of their petty political differences. Here is an example of democracy standing head and shoulders above the rest. Would the people from the middle east care to pursue it ?

WOW someone agrees with me..

Yes that is true Other countries need to put there bias nature aside. Let women Participate in decissions and the work place. Build a good society and education system. Maybe 1 day an american say I want to go to Islamabad University. Instead of an iranian saying I want to go to Harvard.

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Originally posted by Wickedkitten

America might have the most powerful military in the world but if it came down to a major war being fought on American soil you'd **** yourselves.

Really? Name one country's military that rivals us. Just one. You can't do it. The United States' military is the largest in the world, the strongest in the world, and the most technological in the world. China has a large army. Do you think they would defeat the army of the United States of America? Absolutely not, because the Chinese technology is antiquated. The defense budget for the American military is larger than any other nation's. If it came to fighting any war, American soil or not, America would be the victor so long as there is support abroad (obviously invading England wouldn't go over well).

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Yoshi, yea mate.. thats the way YOU see it. If you think that the British are so shallow and fragile little beings that would of been taken over by the Germans you are wrong.

I never said that we would of won the second world war without the americans but it might of taken us a damn sight longer. Europe would NOT live under oppression just like we proved in WW1 and you are small minded to say that we would (because we are not American therefore cannot be strong)

listen to yourself for a change..

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Nah but if we went north and took over canada lol just kidding.

But seriously I think Mexico needs to be tamed. There Crime is out of control. Murdering politicians down there is a daily activity.

And Nebond I don't think any american thinks the brits are small minded. Infact some americans call England the US away from the US.

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Originally posted by purush

I whole heartedly agree with Mike 11212, the rest of the world Middle east in particular have deep rooted jealousy for the way USA is thriving ahead of everyone in every concievable field. Sheer jealousy at seeing a world class super power prospering. I would say to those in the middle east 'Get your asses off and get to work get an education and build your contries to the level and status of USA. Yes you can, it takes years and years of hardwork. Allow women to equally participate in this developement and you will reap the rewards and benefits of USA. USA has given billions of dollars of aid and what happened ? they all squandered it, because of their petty political differences. Here is an example of democracy standing head and shoulders above the rest. Would the people from the middle east care to pursue it ?

"Yes you can, it takes years and years of hardwork"

You mean others should also find slaves to do the real work for them? OR find a war like Kuwait's and end up stealing their oil?

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Originally posted by pagal

"Yes you can, it takes years and years of hardwork"

You mean others should also find slaves to do the real work for them? OR find a war like Kuwait's and end up stealing their oil?

Don't forget America had a Civil war to eliminate Slavery. And the work Slaves did was farm work they did not build the country. But did help in wining the war that did eliminate slavery

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this article is from Yahoo!!!!!! yahoo is the absolute worst news source on the net! they just hire these idiots to sit at computers all day and make up stories! :s i highly doubt that this is real.... :p

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As for WW2, why can't everyone just take it as it is? It was won because of everyone that was involved and not just one country. Why is there even a discussion of who would win without the other? Isn't better to just win together than to see each other fall seperately?

Japan was pretty ruthless during WW2. They invaded many Asian countries and killed all those who was in their path. If those bombs had not been dropped on Japan, the war would drag on and many innocent people would have been killed by the Japanese. My parents told me about what they did to my country and what my grandparents had to go through to hide from them. Basically, it's be seen by a Jap and you'll die. If those bombs had not been dropped, I think the number of civilians the Jap would have killed would outnumber the number of Jap civillians killed by the bombs.

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I watch too much Discovery Channel ™

I am not bitching at anyone. I like the fact that we can come together here and debate these things.

I can tell you that I spoke with someone from Pakistan just after 9/11 who was telling me that he was ready to fight the holy war on christians. after I told him what WE were getting here on the news he simmered down. He is told different facts and the version of events is slightly different, just like in America and other nations when it comes to news.

We all have blood on our hands (as nations) I want to be a part of stopping the need for nukes.

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Originally posted by Wickedkitten

America might have the most powerful military in the world but if it came down to a major war being fought on American soil you'd **** yourselves.

I live in San Antonio, Texas home of :

Brooks Air Force Base

Lackland Air Force Base

Randolph Air Foce Base

And Fort Sam Houston

There is a total of 15 miliraty installations in Texas, including the Army, Navy and Air Force.

I can't speak for other states, but Texas is the wrong state to **** with.

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Originally posted by Yoshi

Really? Name one country's military that rivals us. Just one. You can't do it. The United States' military is the largest in the world, the strongest in the world, and the most technological in the world. China has a large army. Do you think they would defeat the army of the United States of America? Absolutely not, because the Chinese technology is antiquated. The defense budget for the American military is larger than any other nation's. If it came to fighting any war, American soil or not, America would be the victor so long as there is support abroad (obviously invading England wouldn't go over well).

for some funny reason I'm thinking about Civ3. Ya know when one civilisation builds up their military so much and they have a couple of large cities and a whole bunch of small ones because they aren't taking care of their people, then while they are off conqueroring other civilisations and whatnot you sneak in from the back and just move right into their cities cos theres not a really big military presence?

Chinese technology is antiquated? hahah funny how they managed to see that high tech spy plane then eh?

America soo wouldn't win a war fought on its own soil and you want to know why? The American mind.

Thats right, the american mind. See it feeds into that propeganda that it is invincible and the rest of the world cowers at its might, then the second the myth is disproved it shuts down because it can't cope with the reality. Drop a couple of bombs over NY and LA and kill off about 20,000 people and watch the mind**** begin. Just take the shock and horror that was felt on Sept 11 and multiply it by about 20

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If you think that the British are so shallow and fragile little beings that would of been taken over by the Germans you are wrong.

"shallow" and "fragile" have nothing to do with it. What it does have to do with is whose army is larger. The Germans could have defeated the British army at that time. Now, I suppose you can dispute this, or say that I'm being an American chauvinist, but this has nothing to do with inner biases. The German army was much larger.

I never said that we would of won the second world war without the americans but it might of taken us a damn sight longer.

I'd like to know how that would be possible. What magic tricks did the Europeans have to tackle an army much larger than they had? Sure, you can boast your own country, but it doesn't make sense to blind yourself to the facts just to try to make that point.

Europe would NOT live under oppression just like we proved in WW1 and you are small minded to say that we would

Really, now? Why do you think Europe would have a choice? You could say that the Chinese people would refuse to live under oppression, but it looks as though they have no choice. When your life is at stake, as it would be under "Prime Minister" Hitler, you don't dare defy his orders.

(because we are not American therefore cannot be strong)

(because Hitler's army, at the time, was much stronger and larger than the British)

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Yoshi, are you waiting for me to say thanks or something? because it aint gonna happen. Your logic is flawed. The German army was not on English soil because they were too busy fighting off the Russian advance (starting in 1943) what they were doing was sending over (unmanned) V1 and V2 rockets to London. Englands response was always night raids on major German cities which had a devastating effect.

So there you can see that you are talking out of your ass.. The problem England had was KEEPING the trade routes open across the pond (German U-boats were bombing English and American merchant shipping) so American merchant shipping ceased to be during the war years.

Get your facts straight before you try to tell me MY history.

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Originally posted by Wickedkitten

for some funny reason I'm thinking about Civ3. Ya know when one civilisation builds up their military so much and they have a couple of large cities and a whole bunch of small ones because they aren't taking care of their people, then while they are off conqueroring other civilisations and whatnot you sneak in from the back and just move right into their cities cos theres not a really big military presence?

Chinese technology is antiquated? hahah funny how they managed to see that high tech spy plane then eh?

America soo wouldn't win a war fought on its own soil and you want to know why? The American mind.

Thats right, the american mind. See it feeds into that propeganda that it is invincible and the rest of the world cowers at its might, then the second the myth is disproved it shuts down because it can't cope with the reality. Drop a couple of bombs over NY and LA and kill off about 20,000 people and watch the mind**** begin. Just take the shock and horror that was felt on Sept 11 and multiply it by about 20

See the above comment is made when you really don't know about americas military. The american Military is built to fight up to 4 wars in 4 different countries at 1 time. America has large amounts of troops in the middle east Iraq and Afganistan. But we still have Large amounts of troups in the US. For example on the Eastern Sea Board there are over 200,000 Troops. On the West Coast I beleive there are 300,000 In hawaii there are 50,000 in Puerto Rico another 50,000 give or take 10,000 to 20,000. And thats not counting the troops we have in the midsection of the country.

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Originally posted by Wickedkitten

for some funny reason I'm thinking about Civ3. Ya know when one civilisation builds up their military so much and they have a couple of large cities and a whole bunch of small ones because they aren't taking care of their people, then while they are off conqueroring other civilisations and whatnot you sneak in from the back and just move right into their cities cos theres not a really big military presence?

Really? Is America out there, splitting their army into fighting a "two front war," trying to tackle every nation out there? No, we're defending ourselves from the Al Quaeda terrorists so it never happens again. We're not going off to tackle Russia or India, so I don't know why you'd make that comparison. Oh, yeah I do, because you hate America and everything it stands for.

Chinese technology is antiquated? hahah funny how they managed to see that high tech spy plane then eh?

No, not especially funny. Compared to the technology of the United States Armed Forces, their technology is out of date. I don't see any "bunker buster" bombs in the Chinese arsenal. What was the one thing we were worried about when the Chinese pilot crashed into the American fighter plane last April? That's right, the Chinese stealing our technology. Why? Because they don't have it. Get a clue if you think otherwise, because you clearly are incapable of realizing the obvious truth.

America soo wouldn't win a war fought on its own soil and you want to know why? The American mind.

Oh, I see. The American "mind" suddenly breaks the age old, proven theory that the military which can outmaneuver the other will win. Oh yeah, because the American people are patriotic, they'll lose the war. God, you're clueless. If only the brainwashing of your Euro-socialism would allow you to actually see things in a clear light.

Drop a couple of bombs over NY and LA and kill off about 20,000 people and watch the mind**** begin. Just take the shock and horror that was felt on Sept 11 and multiply it by about 20

You haven't been paying attention at all to this thread, have you? Of course not. That's what this whole plan is for. If anything like that happens, we have immediate plans for measures to retaliate and prevent it from happening with our nuclear arsenal. Simple as that. And you know what? We don't care what you have to say, because your brainwashed anti-American mindset would criticize it no matter what. This is in the interest of our national security, not with your globalist "world peace if you just forgive them" theories that have never worked in the past and won't work in the future.

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Originally posted by Wickedkitten

for some funny reason I'm thinking about Civ3. Ya know when one civilisation builds up their military so much and they have a couple of large cities and a whole bunch of small ones because they aren't taking care of their people, then while they are off conqueroring other civilisations and whatnot you sneak in from the back and just move right into their cities cos theres not a really big military presence?

Chinese technology is antiquated? hahah funny how they managed to see that high tech spy plane then eh?

America soo wouldn't win a war fought on its own soil and you want to know why? The American mind.

Thats right, the american mind. See it feeds into that propeganda that it is invincible and the rest of the world cowers at its might, then the second the myth is disproved it shuts down because it can't cope with the reality. Drop a couple of bombs over NY and LA and kill off about 20,000 people and watch the mind**** begin. Just take the shock and horror that was felt on Sept 11 and multiply it by about 20

I guess you weren't aware of the ammount of people who signed up to be in the U.S. military post 9/11, consider 9/11 and multiply it times thousands.

The U.S. military is spread throughout it's states, with some states having more (like Texas) so the chance of someone "sneaking in" is not likely, especially since forces aren't takes from one installation until it's empty, they are taken equally from installations.

By "Spy Plane" I assume you are talking about the one that crashed into a Chinese plane, FYI they didn't know we were there until we colided with them, and our plane made it to safety, there's didn't.

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