Fredde87 Posted June 19, 2004 Share Posted June 19, 2004 some gun facts... in the uk there are i think it was 68 gun murders per year compaired to americans 11500 something... Selfdefence? When there is a shooting in someones home where the owner owns a gun only 2% of the time the burgler gets shoot, the other 98% of the time the owner of the house gets shot. This is due to the fact that the burgeler feels threaton and might stell your weapon or draw his own weapon because you have one.. In what way is this good? And btw, how can you even say that american girls are better then europeans? Thats there area were europe is clearly the winner... Check out the picture posted in the beginning.. so true... in sweden we have 26mbit vdsl for $50 and 10mbit for $20... and that is avalible to most people in larger cities... i would like to se you beat that... p.s. I know that the uk is crap when it comes to broadband (I am in the uk now and I liver here to) but the UK is only a small part of europe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantumdefect Posted June 19, 2004 Share Posted June 19, 2004 Americans don't speak English; they speak American. There are differences between the 2 languages. Likewise, French Canadian is used in Qu?bec; it is somewhat different from French. I imagine it to be the same with Spanish too, but I don't speak much Spanish so I wouldn't know for sure.Actually, we drive on theright> side of the road! It's you lot that drive on the wrong side!! Seriously: there is no 'right' and 'wrong' side of the road to drive on. That's assuming you're into women that are fat and minging. So that's where we've been going wrong all this time, is it?! Quick, let's all move to the US just so we can own a ****ing gun! The world would be a much safer place if peopleweren't> allowed to own a gun! ----- More differences: - We (in the UK) know how to correctly pronounce the word 'aluminium' (i.e. NOT 'aloo-min-um'). - Americans are fatter than people in Europe (on average). - We (in Europe) don't sue everyone just for the sake of it. - We know how to correctly represent a date: dd/mm/yyyy (i.e. in order of length, which would make sense), and not mm/dd/yyyy. Annoying because when you see a date such as 06/02/2004 and it's not imediately obvious whether it's English or American, how are people supposed to know whether it's 6 Feb or 2 Jun?? Also, the definitions of 'American' at Urban Dictionary (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=american&f=1) are a good read, particularly the one dated 20 May 2003!! Btw: don't mean to offend anyone; just my 2p.:pp (Y)):yes:: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniPi Posted June 19, 2004 Share Posted June 19, 2004 <snip> I thought about going through and correcting all the stereotypes you used, but it'd just be a waste of time as it seems you're pretty ignorant. :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Derf Veteran Posted June 20, 2004 Veteran Share Posted June 20, 2004 Okay.. I was going to let this slide, but you are SO full of bulls**t I just have a couple of questions that I would like you to answer...Would you please name ONE instance in which a child under the age of 18 has been executed?? Hmmm.. I thought not.. Your feeble attempt at posting such ignorant drivel without reasearching the facts does you shame.. Both Federal and State law prohibits any Juvenile under the age of 18 to be tried as an adult ( Title 10 USCODE ) except under very specific circumstances and even then may not be executed but may receive a life sentance.. If they are charged as a Juvenile, they must be released at the age of 18, and their court records as a juvenile sealed... As far as the history of Capitol Punishment you should study the history of your OWN country and then cast stones!! Get your ducks in a row before posting!! :angry: [/rant] "Statistics obtained for the US Department of Justice, Bureau of Justice Statistics, maintains that 13 percent of the death row population were under the age of nineteen, at the time of arrest. They also state that 2.2 percent of the population were seventeen or under at the time of arrest. As of December 31, 1997, there were 67 juvenile arrests on death row. Their time there, ranges between two weeks to over 19 years." - http://www.m-a-h.net/inkdroppings/cb-punishment.htm A child under 18 doesn't get executed. He gets placed on death row until his birthday. Yes, that's much more civilized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Derf Veteran Posted June 20, 2004 Veteran Share Posted June 20, 2004 I was off topic?! At least I fully read posts I have the nerve to reply to! Go back and read what I wrote. I said: "Have you tried using broadband in the UK?" And you replied with: "Some countries like Sweden have inexpensive 10Mbps connections" ... Let me get this straight. In your mind, Sweden is part of the UK but the UK is not part of Europe? :blink: Let me set you straight. The thread title is "North America vs Europe". You suggested that broadband was crap in the UK compared to (North) America. I noticed your selective comparison and replied that broadband in some other European countries, namely Sweden, are superior to what is available in North America. Thus I was bringing the discussion back on topic. You then responded with the assinine comment "Since when was Sweden part of the United Kingdom?" At that point I simply reminded you that you had drifted off-topic. Sweden is part of Europe and that is all that matters.' There you see. Simple, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Derf Veteran Posted June 20, 2004 Veteran Share Posted June 20, 2004 - We know how to correctly represent a date: dd/mm/yyyy (i.e. in order of length, which would make sense), and not mm/dd/yyyy. Annoying because when you see a date such as 06/02/2004 and it's not imediately obvious whether it's English or American, how are people supposed to know whether it's 6 Feb or 2 Jun?? Actually I'd like the world to switch to yyyy/mm/dd (declining significance of digits) to solve that very problem. It's not going to happen but I would like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oik Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 We know how to correctly represent a date: dd/mm/yyyy (i.e. in order of length, which would make sense), and not mm/dd/yyyy. Annoying because when you see a date such as 06/02/2004 and it's not imediately obvious whether it's English or American, how are people supposed to know whether it's 6 Feb or 2 Jun? this is the most interesting point of your whole argument, besides the aluminum thing (wow)... so how do you tell time? do you look at your watch and then say "48 seconds, 13 minutes, 11 hours"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nekrosoft13 Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 yeah but the NA got more fat ppl too:p:p and thats because of all those fast food restaurants Europeans eat more healthy food Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SariN Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 North America: Capable of militarily defending its self Europe: Not capable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djtaylor Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 I thought about going through and correcting all the stereotypes you used, but it'd just be a waste of time as it seems you're pretty ignorant. :/Isn't that what this topic is about? lolActually I'd like the world to switch to yyyy/mm/dd (declining significance of digits) to solve that very problem. It's not going to happen but I would like it. Yes, that would make much more sense! Then the whole of yyyy/mm/dd hh:mm:ss would be in order! :D I'm used to using yyyy/mm/dd with MySQL and when I date files so that they get sorted in the correct order! this is the most interesting point of your whole argument, besides the aluminum thing (wow)...so how do you tell time? do you look at your watch and then say "48 seconds, 13 minutes, 11 hours"? No, but at least both dd/mm/yyyy and hh:mm:ss are IN ORDER! Whereas mm/dd/yyyy is not... Do you represent time as mm:hh:ss? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zip Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 something ive learnt today from this thread: Americans know a lot less about europe than europeans know about americans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 North America: Capable of militarily defending its selfEurope: Not capable *cough* Russia *cough* France *cough* Britain *cough* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digital Pimp Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 *cough* Russia *cough* France *cough* Britain *cough* Damn right, no one heard of Nucs. America isnt the only country with them, but that defeats the idea of a good fight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garry Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 I got up to page four before I got the overwhelming urge to post. It's a silly comparison! You can't just compare North America to the whole of Europe because, I don't know about the rest of the EU, but the UK is vastly different in it's culture, laws, stance on Europe and it's Americanisms to the rest of the EU. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tews Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 OK, have fun with your guns. I hope the person caught in some crossfire enjoys that 'freedom' as much as you. Elliot, I was making a statement about Americas' Second Ammendment Rights to own firearms... Having this right in no way abbrogates a gun owners responsibility to abide by State and Local laws. Do I own firearms, you bet! Do I walk around like a cowboy with a sixshooter? H*ll no!. I am a collector of fine firearms and at one time I shot competitively while I was living in the Western US. Do I think that people should undergo some sort of mandatory training .. absolutely. Ive spent thousands of dollars obtaining the best instruction in technique and gun law that I can afford. You made such a blanket statement/question that I felt obligated to reply.. Historicaly Americans' rights under the second ammendment are what uniquely seperates America from other countries. Historicaly, most nations that have been ruled by tyranical governments have had all firearms confiscated ( Germany under Hitler and the Soviet Union under Stalin come immediately to mind) Your last reply insinuates that all gun owners act like a bunch of drug crazed idiots. Are there more gun deaths in America then other European countries .. with out a doubt ... of course the population is proably 10 times greater than most European countries too.. In America there were 58,000 deaths in automobile accidents alone in 2003... by your logic, should we ban automobiles??? Just a thought... :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Derf Veteran Posted June 20, 2004 Veteran Share Posted June 20, 2004 Your last reply insinuates that all gun owners act like a bunch of drug crazed idiots. Are there more gun deaths in America then other European countries .. with out a doubt ... of course the population is proably 10 times greater than most European countries too.. Even once you adjust for population there are three times as many gun deaths in the United States than there are in Europe or Canada. http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art...articlekey=6166 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fredde87 Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 Tews you post is just stupid... there is 60 million living in the uk compaired to 293 million in the usa.. 300/60=5.. that means that the US is 5 times bigger then the uk.. So if there is 68 gun murders per year in the uk and the usa was just like the uk that would mean that you would have 340 gun murders per year.. But that is far from the truth, you have nearly 12 000!!! Thats 35 times more!!!! wtf ban automobiles? How can you compair such a thing, with cars the its an accident and you the driver most often gets killed, so you are responserble for your own death.. do you think that the 12 000 gun murders are people who shoot themselfs by accident? There is no point in owning a gun, especially not for "self protection" when statistics clearly show that you are more likely to be shoot when owning a gun.. You are just putting yourself and anothers in danger by owning a gun... And you go on to say that crazy leaders always are in a country where you dont allow guns.. hmm thats not strange concidering that you can only own a gun legally in the US and Canada, there isnt really anyother countries who allow such a stupid thing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XanDaMan Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 North America: Capable of militarily defending its selfEurope: Not capable HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH Words dont express the laughter I had at that post. Do the continent with the best trained armed forces in the world cant defend it self? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neowin_hipster Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 The only thing that really matters is that North America has the stanley cup! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tews Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 Tews you post is just stupid... there is 60 million living in the uk compaired to 293 million in the usa.. 300/60=5.. that means that the US is 5 times bigger then the uk.. So if there is 68 gun murders per year in the uk and the usa was just like the uk that would mean that you would have 340 gun murders per year.. But that is far from the truth, you have nearly 12 000!!! Thats 35 times more!!!! wtf ban automobiles? How can you compair such a thing, with cars the its an accident and you the driver most often gets killed, so you are responserble for your own death.. do you think that the 12 000 gun murders are people who shoot themselfs by accident? There is no point in owning a gun, especially not for "self protection" when statistics clearly show that you are more likely to be shoot when owning a gun.. You are just putting yourself and anothers in danger by owning a gun... And you go on to say that crazy leaders always are in a country where you dont allow guns.. hmm thats not strange concidering that you can only own a gun legally in the US and Canada, there isnt really anyother countries who allow such a stupid thing... I can see an exercise if futility comming .. but here goes.. First... The US and England are NOT the same! Culturely, historically. This is true of any European country. Historically, European countries do not have the right to keep and bear arms... This is neither good or bad.. its just the way it is. So please dont try to make a mathmatical equation in and of itself to prove your point, becuase there is more than just numbers in the equation. As far as your statement that statistics show that I am more likely to be shot because Im a gun owner ??? Would you please quote the study where you get your information?? Your statement that with cars the its an accident and you the driver most often gets killed, so you are responserble for your own death..This is so laughable as to not merit coment but I will anyway. The number of accidents resulting in the death of more than one occupant out number single deaths by almost 9 to 1... So I guess its its more than being responsible for your own death.. As far as Tyranny goes ( I cited Germany and the Soviet Union ) I said .. Historicaly, most nations that have been ruled by tyranical governments have had all firearms confiscated I never said anything about being crazy though I think Hitler and Stalin would both fit that description very well... Never Argue with a Pig.. You just end up getting dirty and the Pig likes it.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skiiper Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 in north america, most people use only one language: english. in Europe, they use many different languages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fredde87 Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 The gun facts are from "Stupid white men" by Michael Moore on page 101 (swedish version) where he writes about a big studie made which showed that it is 22 times larger chance that you or a family member will be shoot when owning a gun. And that only 2% of a shoots fired in a "self defence" situation hit the burgler while 98% hit you or your family.. Okey the car situation I dont know any stats but you cant compair something like driving a car to shooting a gun.. There is no good reason to own a gun, it just kills people (with the exeption of 2% where you actually do something good with it).. Do you think that all guns used in the 12 000 murders are illigal guns? No, most are bought legally and if they werent then those people would still be alive.. And I never said that the uk and the us are the same, I said So if there is 68 gun murders per year in the uk and the usa was just like the uk that would mean that you would have 340 gun murders per year Read the part in bold... It clearly reads WAS not IS... WAS means that they arnt... it doesnt mean that they ARE... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zip Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 you're completely right fredde. I would hate to have the "right" to walk around with a gun. It means all the wackos in my country (and theres a lot) can also walk around with them. It also means instead of having a fight when tempers flair guns are pulled and people die. Its just plain stupid. the death figures talk for themselves. Being able to own a gun is not a benefit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makeshift Hammer Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 you're completely right fredde. I would hate to have the "right" to walk around with a gun. It means all the wackos in my country (and theres a lot) can also walk around with them.It also means instead of having a fight when tempers flair guns are pulled and people die. Its just plain stupid. the death figures talk for themselves. Being able to own a gun is not a benefit. When i was a teen (and sometimes even now as an adult, but not quite the same) and my self control was not as it should have been, if i had access to a gun i more than likely would have used it for the stupidest most selfish reasons there could be (using a knife or whatever is fundamentally different, at least your victim to a degree has a chance of defending themselves, how can you defend yourself when the perpetrator is standing on the other side of the road?). I would have completely ruined (or taken) someones life as well as destroying my own. Keep your guns america, keep your paranoia too which creates the situation where you need them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fredde87 Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 I just dont understand how some people think.. No offence to the gun lovers but for us non-americans its clear that guns should be illigal but for some reason the americans dont understand why.. Its probebly to do with what you are raised with I guess.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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