bakerster Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 Btw MxxCon try to calm down and think carefully There's no hope for him. :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xer34 Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 Old news :). He should change is name from "neowinian dominating" to "neowinian ######". :laugh: Yeah maybe, but most of the time I just find Mxxcon's posts amusing. I dont see why anyone should take offence to them if youve been around the forums for long enough. :happy: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goheels681 Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 Meh, it's more fun this way :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 I agree with Mxxcon. If you are just going to use the computer for basic usage, there's absolutely no reason to buy a Mac. This, coming from someone who only uses a Mac. Unless you have an undying need to use OS X, the cost really isn't worth it. You have a perfectly good pc at this point. Since you are switching to a laptop no matter what, honestly, Apple laptops are no different than what Dell puts out. Same hardware, different OS. Powerbooks/iBooks are more expensive than Dell for what you get. Since I'm one of the two people in here who actually know how to give unbiased advice, listen up. Go to your local Apple store, Compusa, or anywhere that has a Mac running OS X, and try it first. I would never tell anyone to switch without trying the product first. Since OS X is really the only reason to switch to Macs, you may want to run through it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldaccount1 Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 macs are cool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoyablue Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 I agree with Mxxcon. If you are just going to use the computer for basic usage, there's absolutely no reason to buy a Mac. This, coming from someone who only uses a Mac. Unless you have an undying need to use OS X, the cost really isn't worth it. You have a perfectly good pc at this point.Since you are switching to a laptop no matter what, honestly, Apple laptops are no different than what Dell puts out. Same hardware, different OS. Powerbooks/iBooks are more expensive than Dell for what you get. Since I'm one of the two people in here who actually know how to give unbiased advice, listen up. Go to your local Apple store, Compusa, or anywhere that has a Mac running OS X, and try it first. I would never tell anyone to switch without trying the product first. Since OS X is really the only reason to switch to Macs, you may want to run through it. Yeah, I guess stability in handling those day-to-day tasks isn't a good enough incentive... :rolleyes: Please don't make claims to my state of mind in terms of "bias". I have been using Windows for over ten years and Mac OSX for two. If you're going to go the Apple Store to try out Mac OSX, 10 minutes is not enough. I remember when I recieved my iBook that OSX really made me uncomfortable for the first week. After a while, I got really comfortable with the OS because everything seemed logical and solid. Since Apple has a 10 (or 14 day) return policy, you could buy the iBook/PowerBook, try it out for 9-10 days and if you don't like it, return it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icecaveman Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 Yeah, I guess stability in handling those day-to-day tasks isn't a good enough incentive... :rolleyes: Please don't make claims to my state of mind in terms of "bias". I have been using Windows for over ten years and Mac OSX for two. If you're going to go the Apple Store to try out Mac OSX, 10 minutes is not enough. I remember when I recieved my iBook that OSX really made me uncomfortable for the first week. After a while, I got really comfortable with the OS because everything seemed logical and solid. Since Apple has a 10 (or 14 day) return policy, you could buy the iBook/PowerBook, try it out for 9-10 days and if you don't like it, return it. Even the original creator of most of the MacOS GUI designs commits OSX and WindowsXP are about the same stability level. If your WindowsXP is unstable then you are the one who is unstable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoyablue Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 Even the original creator of most of the MacOS GUI designs commits OSX and WindowsXP are about the same stability level. If your WindowsXP is unstable then you are the one who is unstable. Great way to make a catch-phrase there bud. But until you have a source, your words are a load of crap. My source? Almost every Mac OSX user on this board has made claims vouching for the stabillity of Mac OSX. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bararum Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 it really is a matter of what interface you like better but usability wise i prefer macs hands down, both will do what you want to do but for me it's just more fun on the mac. I will say this, i have a couple pc's as well as my emac and i have not had any stability problems with either, XP for me has always been solid as well as OSX. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 Great way to make a catch-phrase there bud. But until you have a source, your words are a load of crap. My source? Almost every Mac OSX user on this board has made claims vouching for the stabillity of Mac OSX. Almost every Mac user on the board has claimed this? Prove it. Where's this "source" of yours? I've been here awhile....never seen anything of that nature. Sure the Apple worshippers won't say a bad word about Apple...but we know better than to listen to them. Oh...thanks for proving my point. Been using Macintosh computers for about 4 years now, Windows for 10ish years before that. I can say, without a doubt, that XP is no more stable than OS X, and vice versa. icecaveman is right. An OS's stability depends upon the user. If you're going to go the Apple Store to try out Mac OSX, 10 minutes is not enough. I remember when I recieved my iBook that OSX really made me uncomfortable for the first week. After a while, I got really comfortable with the OS because everything seemed logical and solid. Since Apple has a 10 (or 14 day) return policy, you could buy the iBook/PowerBook, try it out for 9-10 days and if you don't like it, return it. Reread my post. Where did I say 10 minutes was enough? I made several trips to try out OS X before being convinced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.will Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 i like windows. i think its just what you work with and what you get comfortable with. i love to customize my interface a whole lot. im sure if i switched to mac id be much more stable for both hardware and software, but im on a budget and id have to rebuy a lot of my stuff for mac - camera, printer, and tonnnns of software. id love to switch to mac - i just dont have the money :(. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZTrang Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 (edited) Why switch to a Mac, if you've been using a PC for so long? For what you're doing, there is really no difference between a Mac OS X-equipped iBook or Powerbook and a Windows XP-equipped Dell laptop. As you have been using Windows for (presumably) your entire computing life, it would probably be best if you stayed with a PC. That way, you could more easily troubleshoot any problems, since you would know what to expect, and you wouldn't have to worry about compatibility problems at all (since almost EVERY type of software is available for a PC, while there is less software for a Mac). I've used Mac laptops and PC laptops, and I honestly can't say that for basic tasks, I really like one more than the other (I am more comfortable with a Windows-based system, but that's because I've used them so much). If you're going to a school where Macs are heavily used, you should consider switching to a Mac laptop (although, as has been recommended, test out some Mac laptops to see whether you could get used to the Mac OS X interface; I personally would have a very hard time). Otherwise, just get a cheap PC laptop, and since you seem not to need it for any intensive taks, you can probably get a better deal on a PC laptop than on a Mac laptop. My final recommendation?: PC, but only because you're used to it. EDIT: you also wouldn't have to buy a completely new set of software, which is another benefit. If you stick with a PC as a computer, you can use all of the productivity software (Microsoft Office, etc.) and also any other programs you've bought with your new laptop. A Mac would require you to buy a whole new set of software. If you're willing to deal with this extra expense, then it is a non-factor, but I would certainly consider it before making the switch. Edited June 20, 2004 by ZTrang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sietse Veteran Posted June 20, 2004 Veteran Share Posted June 20, 2004 why don't you just use PearPC emulator?that way you'll just have to buy OSX, and won't have to pay for insanely overpriced hardware. then after a week you'll realize that osx is the exactly same thing as windows with just different icons and it wasn't worth wasting so much money on it's license. I don't know what I'm talking about, that in forward. But I believe I've heard something like PearPC with Mac OS X being about 100 times slower than Windows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gawdflesh Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 I agree with Mxxcon. If you are just going to use the computer for basic usage, there's absolutely no reason to buy a Mac. This, coming from someone who only uses a Mac. Unless you have an undying need to use OS X, the cost really isn't worth it. You have a perfectly good pc at this point.Since you are switching to a laptop no matter what, honestly, Apple laptops are no different than what Dell puts out. Same hardware, different OS. Powerbooks/iBooks are more expensive than Dell for what you get. Since I'm one of the two people in here who actually know how to give unbiased advice, listen up. Go to your local Apple store, Compusa, or anywhere that has a Mac running OS X, and try it first. I would never tell anyone to switch without trying the product first. Since OS X is really the only reason to switch to Macs, you may want to run through it. Hear hear. Finally, unbiased advice and not some fanboy trying to brainwash another switcher. (Y) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZTrang Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 I don't know what I'm talking about, that in forward. But I believe I've heard something like PearPC with Mac OS X being about 100 times slower than Windows? PearPC emulation is quite slow (although I'm not sure about 100 times as slow; I've heard something like 1/10 the speed of a real Mac), and also incredibly difficult and slow to set up, so I think it was a bit of a joke when someone suggested using PearPC emulation. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gawdflesh Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 Great way to make a catch-phrase there bud. But until you have a source, your words are a load of crap. My source? Almost every Mac OSX user on this board has made claims vouching for the stabillity of Mac OSX. And? They'd tell you that an iMac could sh*t out gold cufflinks if they thought it'd get you to buy one. Doesn't mean that have the original posters best interests at heart. It's called biased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoyablue Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 Almost every Mac user on the board has claimed this? Prove it. Where's this "source" of yours? I've been here awhile....never seen anything of that nature. Sure the Apple worshippers won't say a bad word about Apple...but we know better than to listen to them. Oh...thanks for proving my point. I'm afraid the burden of proof is on you to show a source since you made a claim stating that you are unbiased and that using Mac and Windows for basic purposes were virtually the same. Been using Macintosh computers for about 4 years now, Windows for 10ish years before that. I can say, without a doubt, that XP is no more stable than OS X, and vice versa. icecaveman is right. An OS's stability depends upon the user. I am not going to argue that a Mac is impervious to viruses and trojans, but there are significantly less viral and trojan related threats on the Mac platform. But of course, viruses and trojans have never been known to hamper the stability of an OS, have they? :rolleyes: Reread my post. Where did I say 10 minutes was enough? I made several trips to try out OS X before being convinced. Oh, okay, then for arguments sake, we'll just assume that you were telling him to visit a local Compusa/Apple Store for a duration of 9-10 days and try out Mac OSX. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 A valid reason for switching, would be that Mac's take less man-power / time to maintain. That to me, is a compelling reason for wanting to use a Mac, and ties in very well with comments made like 'it just works'. Without the hassle of Virii, Adware, Driver Updates (in most cases) and infrequent software patches (by comparison at least), Mac OS X becomes a more desirable platform, in that respect. Why bother trying to argue stability? Each and everyone has different hardware configs, some custom-made, some home brewed. If you're looking at Mac's, consider one thing; If they produce the End product, in both Software and Hardware, you would assume that one was built for the other. Apple hand picks the hardware, and makes a deal of supporting it, this is one of the reasons Apple is a little 'different' to other vendors out there, and leads to why some Apps have such tight integration with one another, and hardware (Think iTunes / iPod + iApps) - Once more, tying it with the 'it just works' comments. Instead, bring up points which are valid, and are more based around what you would consider common sense, and if possible fact. For me, such a reason as maintenance, is one of those... Original Poster - No offense, but unless money is no object, a 'high end' system for such tasks seems a little crazy. Especially in light of what people have to say about Apple's pricing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoyablue Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 And? They'd tell you that an iMac could sh*t out gold cufflinks if they thought it'd get you to buy one. Doesn't mean that have the original posters best interests at heart. It's called biased. After you grow-up, you will realize that every person is biased to some extent. But wait no, there are some truly neutral individuals in this world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b3ta Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 You may want a mac if that's all you use your computer for but buyer beware. I had an Apple Mac at my home for a trial period to see if I could use it and after a week I just found the platform {although much nicer to look at than Windows} way too limiting. I needed to get a {mac} version of my favorite ATi video card, no PCI Express. I also really missed the right mouse button, and to me the mac wasn't as fast as I expected. So think thrice before switching, I recommend using a mac for a day or a week somewhere before taking the plunge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoyablue Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 A valid reason for switching, would be that Mac's take less man-power / time to maintain. That to me, is a compelling reason for wanting to use a Mac, and ties in very well with comments made like 'it just works'.Without the hassle of Virii, Adware, Driver Updates (in most cases) and infrequent software patches (by comparison at least), Mac OS X becomes a more desirable platform, in that respect. Why bother trying to argue stability? Each and everyone has different hardware configs, some custom-made, some home brewed. If you're looking at Mac's, consider one thing; If they produce the End product, in both Software and Hardware, you would assume that one was built for the other. Apple hand picks the hardware, and makes a deal of supporting it, this is one of the reasons Apple is a little 'different' to other vendors out there, and leads to why some Apps have such tight integration with one another, and hardware (Think iTunes / iPod + iApps) - Once more, tying it with the 'it just works' comments. Instead, bring up points which are valid, and are more based around what you would consider common sense, and if possible fact. For me, such a reason as maintenance, is one of those... Original Poster - No offense, but unless money is no object, a 'high end' system for such tasks seems a little crazy. Especially in light of what people have to say about Apple's pricing... More evidence of stability. However, if I attain a virus on the Windows platform which renders my work-area unstable... I must be unstable as well (according to the logic of Superfula). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinjaMonkey82 Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 I switched to the Mac about a year ago and I would never go back to a Windows machine. While there are some things you'll have to get used to because they work differently, I found the Mac to be much more easy to use and found myself getting work done faster. I also found multi tasking to be much more superior on the Mac. Some of the people saying things against the Mac on here seem a little ill informed. Stability is a non issue. In the last year I have not had a kernel panic (system crash) at all. I have had programs freeze but nothing a quick force quit didn't fix. I never had to restart my system except for updates. To the person who had problems with the one button mouse, that is pathetic, considering any multi button USB mouse works with OS X. Someone also said something about there is no point inswitching for just general use, but I find that to be a sad argument as well. The mac is great for general use, no need to worry about spyware or email worms you can browse in peace without worry. I also found after switching to the Mac I started to do things I never even considered doing on the PC. I started using iMove and iDVD, even moved eventually to Final Cut Express. While there are some issues with making the switch I found the benefits are greater. If you play games I don't know if I would advise that you make the switch, or if you do keep your current PC around. The software you own you won't be able to use, but I found this to be a non issue. Apple includes great apps with the machine and there are some great freeware/shareware alternatives to PC software. I always recommend you try a Mac out before switching. If you can go to an Apple store that is the best. You can sit there all day and play with the machines along with all kinds of third party hardware. They will take the time to answer any questions you have. I was at the store for 3 hours before I decide to actaully buy. My last bit of advice is that if you aren't going to buy a G5 get an Apple laptop. They are the best value. Or if you just want a second PC for the house consider an eMac, I would not use one as my main machine though I know people that do but I would add one to my home. They also make a great first Mac because of the low price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 I'm afraid the burden of proof is on you to show a source since you made a claim stating that you are unbiased and that using Mac and Windows for basic purposes were virtually the same. So in other words, you got nuthin. All of my statements were opinions. Last I checked, you can't prove an opinion...course if you DID prove it, it would become fact. If you want to get nitty gritty, my statements were in no way related to your stability comment.I am not going to argue that a Mac is impervious to viruses and trojans, but there are significantly less viral and trojan related threats on the Mac platform. But of course, viruses and trojans have never been known to hamper the stability of an OS, have they? Like I said, the stability of the computer depends on the user. I've never had a virii in 10+ years on a pc. I'm sure many others could make that claim. Just follow a few simple steps and you won't have to worry about virii or trojans. Oh, okay, then for arguments sake, we'll just assume that you were telling him to visit a local Compusa/Apple Store for a duration of 9-10 days and try out Mac OSX. Wow...getting picky aren't we? I probably used OS X for a total of 7 days before buying. Course that was over a couple months time. You don't just have to sit at compusa for hours. There are people out there who do own Macintosh computers. Quite a few businesses and schools run OS X as well.After you grow-up, you will realize that every person is biased to some extent. Bahaha!! By your own statement, you admit every person is unbiased to some extent. More evidence of stability.However, if I attain a virus on the Windows platform which renders my work-area unstable... I must be unstable as well (according to the logic of Superfula). The condition of your stability is another topic. But yes, getting a virus is your own fault People people people. Running OS X will not enhance your browsing, email, chatting experience. As Mxxcon said, when it's something this simple, both are just a gui with different icons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoyablue Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 So in other words, you got nuthin. All of my statements were opinions. Last I checked, you can't prove an opinion...course if you DID prove it, it would become fact. If you want to get nitty gritty, my statements were in no way related to your stability comment. Perhaps if you didn't word it as if it were the absolute statement of rightousness, it would be construed as an opinion. But of course, the fact that you are completely unbiased along with MxxCon is just a proven fact. Also, Neyo's post reiterated the stability argument. You've lost Superfula. Like I said, the stability of the computer depends on the user. I've never had a virii in 10+ years on a pc. I'm sure many others could make that claim. Just follow a few simple steps and you won't have to worry about virii or trojans. A few simple steps which the Mac user does not have to take, yet another nuance eliminated by switching. People are still making viruses and trojans for the Windows platform and virus scanners aren't always up to date in order to handle them. What if the user, even after updating his virus scanner, picked up a worm in his email? Not everyone is like you Superfula (Thank god). Wow...getting picky aren't we? I probably used OS X for a total of 7 days before buying. Course that was over a couple months time. You don't just have to sit at compusa for hours. There are people out there who do own Macintosh computers. Quite a few businesses and schools run OS X as well. Whoa, this wasn't in your previous post where you tipped him on where to try Mac OSX. But don't worry, the average person could assume that you were telling them to go to their friend's house and try an Apple... :rolleyes: Bahaha!! By your own statement, you admit every person is unbiased to some extent. Bahaha!! And by a lack of refutation, you admit that you are biased to some extent. The condition of your stability is another topic. But yes, getting a virus is your own fault Not all the time. People people people. Running OS X will not enhance your browsing, email, chatting experience. As Mxxcon said, when it's something this simple, both are just a gui with different icons. Once again, I beg to differ. Because of the way iLife is integrated into OSX, the stability of it's applications and hardware and because of the lack of viruses and trojans present on the platform, such simple tasks are EASIER to use. Maybe switching will not "enhance" your experience like wearing 3D glasses, but it will present less of a hassle and will give you more time for concentrating on your work rather then trying to make the operating system/computer work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oik Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 "People people people. Running OS X will not enhance your browsing, email, chatting experience. As Mxxcon said, when it's something this simple, both are just a gui with different icons." really? so i can get a dell laptop and an apple laptop... and the dell will match everything the apple laptop does? intelligent junk mail filtering? tabbed internet browser? those nice little ichat bubbles? sure, they're basically the same. they both run. they both have the same form factor. but they aren't "the same, just with different icons". the differences that are the most important are the small ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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