Colin.B Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 Hey I was just wondering if anyone here worked out because..well..I'm getting a little soggy in the mid section. I'm in no means fat. I'm 5'7 or 5'8 and about 147lbs. I was just wodnering what a good diet is, how to tone muscle and lose fat, etc etc. I need it explained in laymens terms since I don't know much about calorie intake, carbs and what food is good at what times. Just a simple way to shed the fat and tone the muscle. I mean, walking/running each day and push ups, sit ups help of course but...what about diet? Thanks for the help if anyone can give it to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuidZilla Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 I would google up some fitness/bodybuilding forums because they have really nice forums dedicated to diets. Reason I recommend that is because they usually have creative/fun diets that are still tasty. Good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MxxCon Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 you know neowin has these 2 forums Members Metropolis, Real World Issues why don't you post there?! this is obviously not a computer related topic, so why post in "general discussion" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuidZilla Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 Oh look, the local heckler. Thanks for helpful post. Would love a neowin where you didn't have to expect a nice thread to be trampled on by you as usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin.B Posted June 20, 2004 Author Share Posted June 20, 2004 Wow sorry dude. I've never posted in general before and I saw the topic..general, then a sub topic for jokes so I figured no harm no foul. Well then perhaps a mod can move this. I'm not about to post the same topic twice and clutter up the boards. Thanks for being friendly about it though.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gawdflesh Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 One word; Atkins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[SST]SLAYER Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 LOL!!!!!!!! :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rumbleph1$h Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 this is obviously not a computer related topic, so why post in "general discussion" Since when has "general discussion" been for computer related topics only? :huh: 90% of the topics I see in there are not computer related... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hadiz Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 www.discussfitness.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0nk Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 (edited) First you have to go on a low fat, mid carb, high protien diet. Eat stuff like chicken, fruit, whole wheat bread, fish... Just stay away from garbage, like candy. Don't eat any of the uber carbs, like potatos and rice. You should run 3-4 times a week for 30-45 mins. And so you don't turn into a sack of flesh, work out with weights at least 3 times a week. If you don't have weights make sure you do pushups, situps, and pullups. This will work wonders, but don't expect to see a change in 3 days... Give it a coupe of months and you will be lean and mean :D Edited June 20, 2004 by b0nk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lokheed Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 (edited) Been lifting weights for almost 2 years now. I dropped about 50 lbs since them and added an unknown ammount in muscle. Here are some tips to keep a healthy diet. Fibre, eat lots of it. 3g to 5g a meal is what you should be looking at. High fibre cleans out fat as it has a tendency to stick to it. If you want to lose weight cut down on carbs (Rice is just fine as apposed to what b0nk says, potatoes arent that good). They are a source of energy and without it (Atkins diet) will cause your body to metabolise your muscle into energy, this inturn makes you burn less calories and inturn gets you fatter with less food consumed. That is why diets NEVER workout. At the end of one you have less muscle mass so you burn less calories and when you resume your eating habits, pack on more pounds then before. Protein, eat lots of it. This is for muscle building. Protein is used as a source to repair and maintain your muscles. Eating about 20g to 30g a meal is ideal. Try to eat more carbs early in the day and less at night. Eat as soon as you get up. Really important. The earlier you eat, the faster you start to kick in your metabolism. If you miss your breakfast and dont get a proper lunch, your body goes into power saving mode and you will never regain the energy you get for the day. Most people dont eat in the morning or lunch (makes me sick, I am not hungry till 2:00pm, I have no time, whatever the excuse) but that is their fatal mistake. Eating earlier makes your body burn more calories in the day and speeds up your metabolism. Eating smaller portions is key. About 500 calories a meal is ideal. Anymore and you are burdenning your body. Each time you eat, your body goes into thermogenic reaction. It takes about 20% of the calories you just consumed to digest the food you just ate. That means the more frequently you eat and the smaller the meals, the more times you go into thermogenic reaction and the faster your metabolism gets, meaning you burn more calories in a day, even in sleep. If you want to burn fat, you want to stick to moderate excercise. That means walking is better then running. Keep up a fast paced walk for 1 hour 5 times a week, 4 if you are lazy. After about 20 to 30 minutes your body will start to use the fat on your body for fuel. That means you are actually burning fat from your gut, thighs and ass. If you run or bring your heart up passed 130, it becomes cardiovascular and you are increasing your endurance rather then burning fat. So walk, dont run...its better if you want to lose weight. Cut out sugars. Fat doesnt get you fat, spiking your sugar levels does. Stay away from all sugars, chocolate bars, pop, ice cream, whatever. Those pack on the pounds...not fat like everybody thinks. Following those simple rules a healthy weight loss is about 2 pounds a week... Put it this way. You know that brick of butter they sell at grocery stores? Thats a pound of fat. Think about dropping 2 of those off your gut a week. Give it a couple of months and you will have people complimenting you even if you dont know notice much. Just keep at it. Excercise is key just as much as diet. So lets recap. Cut carbs. Stick to around 200g a day, 250g is high but acceptable. You dont want to go to low because then your body starts going into panic and storage mode thinking it might die, so it concerves and begins to pack on weight just in case... Try to fit in atleast 100g in protein. Cut sugars, everything you eat with sugar try to cut. Eat fibre and drink lots and lots of water, stay hydrated. Excercise at a low moderate rate. Time is the key. You wont burn fat if you walk for 20 minutes. You need to do more then 45 minutes at a time. It is better to do 1 hour twice a week then 20 minutes a day. Eat less at each meal. Stick to around 1700 calories a day, add on what you burn. A hour walk should burn about 200 calories so eat around 2000 when you work out. You dont need to get exact, just guestimate. Adjust according to results, but dont go to low...it will have a referse affect and isnt good for you at all. Thats about it for a beginner. With that should should see pounds coming off. You also have to take into consideration your genetic makeup but that is getting deep into it...the more your deprive your body of nutrition, the more your muscles suffer and your muscle mass goes down, you are unable to burn calories. It is a direct result of the calories consumed. If you burn 2300 calories and consumed 2600, then you are gaining weight. They say a pound of weight loss is about 3500 calories. So if you figure what you burned last week vs. what you consumed, then if should tell you how much weight you lost. There are other factors but black and white, thats how it works. Hope that helps. Edited June 20, 2004 by Lokheed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0nk Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 Lokheed's post > mine You know your stuff! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Aziz Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 you know neowin has these 2 forumsMembers Metropolis, Real World Issues why don't you post there?! this is obviously not a computer related topic, so why post in "general discussion" y u always so negative for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hadiz Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 y u always so negative for? It's just a fact of life w/mx:laugh:h: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lokheed Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 Lokheed's post > mineYou know your stuff! Thanks b0nk :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xer34 Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 Damn, Lokheed. :) Good stuff. Finally someone who doesnt see any truth in that Atkins bull.. crap. And dont mind Mxxcon. Leave em alone and youll be ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lokheed Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 Damn, Lokheed. :) Good stuff. Finally someone who doesnt see any truth in that Atkins bull.. crap. And dont mind Mxxcon. Leave em alone and youll be ok. The Atkins diet is a cash grab. Think about it. High fat, high protein, low carbs. Its that the ultimate junk food at a fast food restaurant? All they did was drop the bun and give you a wrap to kill the carbs. Its BS and sure it will send your body into systematic shock to drop weight but in the end its replacing fat for fuel rather then carbs. This method will cause kitosis after time. Fat cannot be converted into glucose, only carbs can. Glucose is used to fuel your brain aswell as your muscles, your brain takes up 18% of your daily energy source. Without glocuse, your body seeks it elsewhere...where you ask? Your muscles. Thats right, again you are losing muscle mass. I am telling you, anyone that does the Aktins diet and consistently relies on it, will have health complications. IT IS NOT SAFE! It is just not good to cut anything out. Find out the proper proportions and stick to them, you will be healthy and fit... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MxxCon Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 Since when has "general discussion" been for computer related topics only? :huh: 90% of the topics I see in there are not computer related... since Neobond said so https://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?show...0entry2309575 actually General Discussion IS for computer discussion that doesnt fit into any of the help forums, so I'll make sure that our mods are aware of this..General Discussion is not an off topic forum we have others that cater for that (Members Metropolis). so follow the rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rumbleph1$h Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 since Neobond said so... ahh I see... that was just posted yesterday so that explains it.... thanks for clarifying :happy: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xer34 Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 The Atkins diet is a cash grab. Think about it. High fat, high protein, low carbs. Its that the ultimate junk food at a fast food restaurant? All they did was drop the bun and give you a wrap to kill the carbs. Its BS and sure it will send your body into systematic shock to drop weight but in the end its replacing fat for fuel rather then carbs. This method will cause kitosis after time.Fat cannot be converted into glucose, only carbs can. Glucose is used to fuel your brain aswell as your muscles, your brain takes up 18% of your daily energy source. Without glocuse, your body seeks it elsewhere...where you ask? Your muscles. Thats right, again you are losing muscle mass. I am telling you, anyone that does the Aktins diet and consistently relies on it, will have health complications. IT IS NOT SAFE! It is just not good to cut anything out. Find out the proper proportions and stick to them, you will be healthy and fit... Ah. Thank you again. At last I am not alone in this world. How do you know all this btw. Weight lifter? Personal trainer? Im just being curious, dont mind me :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MxxCon Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 ahh I see... that was just posted yesterday so that explains it....thanks for clarifying :happy: no, it was always so, just moderators weren't doing their job and moving articles to their proper place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gadean Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 The Atkins diet is a cash grab. Think about it. High fat, high protein, low carbs. Its that the ultimate junk food at a fast food restaurant? All they did was drop the bun and give you a wrap to kill the carbs. Its BS and sure it will send your body into systematic shock to drop weight but in the end its replacing fat for fuel rather then carbs. This method will cause kitosis after time.Fat cannot be converted into glucose, only carbs can. Glucose is used to fuel your brain aswell as your muscles, your brain takes up 18% of your daily energy source. Without glocuse, your body seeks it elsewhere...where you ask? Your muscles. Thats right, again you are losing muscle mass. I am telling you, anyone that does the Aktins diet and consistently relies on it, will have health complications. IT IS NOT SAFE! It is just not good to cut anything out. Find out the proper proportions and stick to them, you will be healthy and fit... Oh man, I cannot stress this more. I am 6'2" and weigh 180lbs. Most of my weight is musles but when I tried the Atkins diet I did so without doing my homework first. My goal was to trim the remaining fat from my body in order to enchance my muscle tone. What I found after 30 days of being on the Atkins diet (consuming no more than 15 carbs a day) is that my muscle tissue vanished and I was left feeling tired and lethargic. After doing research on low carb diets I discovered that carbs (essentially glucose) is essential to proper brain function and development. I also found that I lost much of my muscle mass and little of my fat. After switching back to a normal diet (for me it's high in protein, low in fat, low calories, a powerful breakfast, a decent lunch, and a light dinner, and no sweets) with plenty of excersise, I became fit again. People who do little to no excercise and think the Atkins diet is the key to a slim, fit body are insane. They will result in a mishapen body,poor health and brain function which, in turn, can do permanent, irreversable damage. Fitness is the result of a proper diet, a balanced metoblism, and excercise. Those who think otherwise will fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lokheed Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 Xer34, I have been studying nutrition for years. I was close to taking my certified training but opted out as life changed focus and so did my career choice. RIght now I lift weights. Gadean, Thats exactly true. There is a huge difference between thin and fit rather then being thin. Being skinny isnt the best choice as you dont look good, man or woman. You need muscle structure to define your body and be physically appealing. If you think you can get thin by starving yourself, then save the agony and the health complications and dont try. You are going to put yourself in a worse position. There is nothing that can subsitute a healthy diet and excercise. Sorry but there is no quick fix to look good. It is going to take time and I am talking about atleast 6 months to a year maybe 2 depending on the results and the effort put in. You reap what you sew and if you think its to much work and want to sit on your fat ass and eat, then 2 years from now you could have looked like an adonis but opted to stay a fat ass on your couch...think about it, get mad and make a change in your life. There is nothing like being healthy...it is a more powerful drug anything you can think of and it feels oh so good when you have women/men drooling over you when you take your shirt off/wear a two piece. I looked at it this way (An argument for people who say they love food to much). How many hours a day do you spend eating? About 30 minutes or 1 hour tops? Then you sleep for about 7 or 8. So that leaves about 13 hours that you are going to be walking around either being depressed and spitefull of your gut, love handles, thighs and ass. You get no head turns and spend friday nights at home dateless or settle for whatever comes by. You hate society and blame someone else, why cant they change the focus from skinny people, no accountability. So you drop 30 minutes to 1 hour of enjoyment a day and add another 1 to 1 and a half hour of gym time and that brings you down to about 11 hours that you get to revel in your new body. Your spirits are raised, your energy levels are through the roof, you are confident and look smashing. Weigh the two methods and tell me what you are content with? It is never an easy road to start but every month things get easier and when you see the results, fitness truly starts to become addicting. Food to me is nutrition and nothing more. I could live on flavourless much for all I care. I eat about 4 to 5 times a day and each time I wolf it down and it takes no more then 10 minutes a meal, if that. I could care less about the taste anymore. That is glutenous thinking and passed on by society. Food should be fuel and nothing more. This society is glutenous and no wonder obesity has reach epidemic proportions. Like quitting smoking, you have to want the change, if not, then you are just going to stress yourself out and you wont see results... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.... Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 Wow sorry dude.I've never posted in general before and I saw the topic..general, then a sub topic for jokes so I figured no harm no foul. Well then perhaps a mod can move this. I'm not about to post the same topic twice and clutter up the boards. Thanks for being friendly about it though.. It doesn't need to be moved. You posted correctly. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
username Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 The Atkins diet is a cash grab. Think about it. High fat, high protein, low carbs. Its that the ultimate junk food at a fast food restaurant? All they did was drop the bun and give you a wrap to kill the carbs. Its BS and sure it will send your body into systematic shock to drop weight but in the end its replacing fat for fuel rather then carbs. This method will cause kitosis after time.Fat cannot be converted into glucose, only carbs can. Glucose is used to fuel your brain aswell as your muscles, your brain takes up 18% of your daily energy source. Without glocuse, your body seeks it elsewhere...where you ask? Your muscles. Thats right, again you are losing muscle mass. I am telling you, anyone that does the Aktins diet and consistently relies on it, will have health complications. IT IS NOT SAFE! It is just not good to cut anything out. Find out the proper proportions and stick to them, you will be healthy and fit... Again with these idiot anti atkins posts, ketosis is a good thing, its achieved in ANY DIET which is low calorie and fat is used for energy... thats how you lose weight genius jest because you are fat and don't have the willpower don't go ranting about how you are somehow more "healthy" in your larger body because you eat lots of sugar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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