U.F.O's Do They Exist?


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I know that the Possiblility for life to exist is super rare,So many factors that must exist to start the process of the pormortal oooze of life, but considering that the universe is larger then anyting the human mind can fathom, The possibility that other life is out there is a deffinate possibilty. Like many have said, it seems quite conseded to say that we are the only intelegent life in the entire universe, plus all that SPACE.

Just think about this....

The Universe is a vast enlarging disk..moving and millions of miles per hour...at this moment we have never been in this point of space, nor will be ever be in the same pont, so its possiable to say that at any moment in time, we could roll through some deadly forms of gas that we have never encountered...instantly killing all forms of life......so with that said ,live life to the fullest and dont look back, cause at any moment the death cloud could be a coming

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-Drew

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The universe was created for us to exist. If every little detail was not perfect in ways we cant even comprehend we would not be here. Yes the truth is out there but I dont think its the truth some of you seek.

Just my .02$

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well seeing as how I'm an ex-catholic that isn't religious in the least bit anymore and believe the scientific evidence that disproves the bible, I believe that there are more complex forms of life out there. Probably not in this galaxy but I'm sure that there are beings so complex that we are like amoebas in comparison.

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The probability of all the necessary materials/components to come together to produce an environment that is condusive to life is extremely slim. But it is possible, earth as an example. Because of the infinity of space, the possibility is distributed so far in between, that we would probably never see the "others". So by the law of probabilities and science, they are out there. Whether UFOs exists, i think it is absolutely absurb that people believe in it. Aliens probably exist, but not in flying saucers hovering over your house.

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I personally think they exist... As stated earlier, how can there only be one lifeform, that is, us, among the many many planets out there? For all you know, there is alien life on Mars, just that out current technology can't detect it or something... Maybe those aliens on Mars are not made of Matter... What makes us so sure we can see them? Hmm...

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mortensen: You are rambleing, and your talking about 10 different subjects. just because we can see a planet with the hubble, doesnt mean we can tell if it has life or not. most planets that are even remotely close we cant see well with the hubble, we can see small pixels on the screen and by math and science we can determine what is a planet and what is a red dwarf, etc. but that doesnt mean we can see if life exist.

statistically speaking, life exist all over the universe.

we are not that special people, get over yourselfs.

Originally posted by mortensen

LOL, you hit it dead on. It doesn't make sense that in all the galaxies we have studied that there is no intelligent life... just baron planets floating around a star. And multiply that by many billions of empty planets flying about... we can't even prove that there is/isn't life on Mars actually, so this isn't the best point to make... lol - we have no evidence to show that 'aliens' exist, and we're not sure even how the universe was created... is there a God or is it and infinite look of the big bang thoery [expanding, collapsing]. And if the big band theory is right then how did the material for the big bang get there? And how can space go on forever? All substances we havce experienced have limits....

You could then go on the basis that space is rounded and loops around on itself but what contains it? How is it possible to something to just loop around in nothingness, and where does that nothingness cease?

We don't know diddly squat about that and so hypothesising about alien races seems pretty futile.

And then if you go on the religious basis... how did God get there [whereever it is]? Or has God always existed... and how is that possible?

Then you have to question whether wormholes or faster-than-light travel is possible because if they don't exist then it will again be impossible to contact other races [if any even exist].

The subject is so filled with 'ifs' it just isn't funny.

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On another topic... how did humans build things like Stone Henge? Or how did we build the Pyramids? Have we already been visited by aliens who have dismissed us? We can't even figure out what happened 2000yrs ago so humans have a long way to go.

Sorry about my rambling but there are just so many mysteries on our own planet without wondering about alien races.

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Know what? I just did a research project on this topic a few days ago for my english course! :)

Sorry..but this post might be a little out of context, since i did not follow the posts. :/

Yes i beleive Aliens do exist. Just like people have said it many times in here, why would we be the only organisms living in such a vast universe? Is this thing made only for us? Oh no, i don't think so. I mean..the universe is such a huge place, couldn't there be appropriate conditions for life to exist? And they could be even alot smarter than us.

About the old Pyramids and Stone Henges, well since there is no proof, we cannot give a definite answer, but yes there is a possibility that men in those times were being assisted by Extra-Terrestrial life forms. I'm not sure, but i bet many of you must have seen the pictures of Egyptians wall carvings of disc-like objects, and a few other advanced crafts. Now i don't know if th pictures are real, but if they are, how would they know of such things? So..it 'might' be possible that the pyramids weren't made entirely by man.

Oh! and yes..what had happened in 1947 in Roswell? what was it all about, was the Government really trying to a UFO crash? Speaking about it, what is the US government doing in Area51? If there is nothing there, why are they denying to comment on what is being undergone there and whether if they have UFOs and Alien technologies in their hands? These are several questions i have been wondering, if anyone has more information..please let me know ..thanks :)

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Originally posted by Nix

The universe was created for us to exist. If every little detail was not perfect in ways we cant even comprehend we would not be here. Yes the truth is out there but I dont think its the truth some of you seek.

Just my .02$

The entire universe was created for our existance??? :ponder:

A little self centered are we? How can you even think that? i mean all thoses milions upon trillion of galixies...just for us?? I doubt that..

:s

-Drew

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The probability of all the necessary materials/components to come together to produce an environment that is condusive to life is extremely slim.

Two observations:

1. We have no idea what materials/components are required to produce and sustain life beyond the carbon based forms that would exist within the scope of our environment. Considering the infinite possibilities of the combination elements, both known and unknown . . . the nearly infinite possibilities of planetary ecosystems . . . such a statement is grossly innacurate.

2. We do not have enough samples of other planetary bodies to determine whether the probabilities are slim. For all we know planets of the terran type might be quite common around stars similiar in nature to our sun. Further, there is every possibility that life could exist in an environment that is not only alien (no pun intended) to us, but hostile to earth inhabitants as well.

You aren't being terribly empirical are you . . .

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Originally posted by TimeRider

1. We have no idea what materials/components are required to produce and sustain life beyond the carbon based forms that would exist within the scope of our environment. Considering the infinite possibilities of the combination elements, both known and unknown . . . the nearly infinite possibilities of planetary ecosystems . . . such a statement is grossly innacurate.

Glad someone finally said it...

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Originally posted by TimeRider

Two observations:

1. We have no idea what materials/components are required to produce and sustain life beyond the carbon based forms that would exist within the scope of our environment. Considering the infinite possibilities of the combination elements, both known and unknown . . . the nearly infinite possibilities of planetary ecosystems . . . such a statement is grossly innacurate.

2. We do not have enough samples of other planetary bodies to determine whether the probabilities are slim. For all we know planets of the terran type might be quite common around stars similiar in nature to our sun. Further, there is every possibility that life could exist in an environment that is not only alien (no pun intended) to us, but hostile to earth inhabitants as well.

You aren't being terribly empirical are you . . .

Two other observations:

1. For one, the creation of an environment, created from either known or unknown elements, has to be such that everything has to be absolutely perfect for any kind of living being, carbon or non-carbon based, to be actually living and intelligent. If you reread my statement, you'll see that i stated that the probability is slim(i meant taking a discrete spaced sample such as a few galaxies), but when you take the infinite space into account, the probability is not slim anymore, is it? Any probability, however the mass, going to infinity, will definitely be different depending on how you are achieving this infinity. As i said before, the possibility of there being other life forms is definitely real. You're basically reinforcing what i was saying...maybe if i explained in a 40 page theoretical report, you'll see that.

2. "You aren't being terribly empirical are you . . . " erm.. what's with the attitude? Please read posts carefully before replying... :)

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Please read posts carefully before replying...

I did read the post, yours and many others. I have no attitude, I merely point out that you lack the necessary evidence, whether 40 pages or 4, to state that the odds of life bearing conditions and components is slim.

Considering the vast variety of flora and fauna on our own humble little planet, that allegedly sprung from interaction between a couple of amino acids, I would say that all evidence is to the contrary . . . life is pervasive . . . life adapts and overcomes. Life spreads and evolves to meet the restrictions of the environment.

Anything said here is merely conjecture . . . and should be stated as such. Your words seemed to imply fact where none exists.

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Originally posted by TimeRider

I did read the post, yours and many others. I have no attitude, I merely point out that you lack the necessary evidence, whether 40 pages or 4, to state that the odds of life bearing conditions and components is slim.

Considering the vast variety of flora and fauna on our own humble little planet, that allegedly sprung from interaction between a couple of amino acids, I would say that all evidence is to the contrary . . . life is pervasive . . . life adapts and overcomes. Life spreads and evolves to meet the restrictions of the environment.

Anything said here is merely conjecture . . . and should be stated as such. Your words seemed to imply fact where none exists.

So you're basically anything's possible? Great! Another giant leap for science!! lol

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Originally posted by TimeRider

I did read the post, yours and many others. I have no attitude, I merely point out that you lack the necessary evidence, whether 40 pages or 4, to state that the odds of life bearing conditions and components is slim.

Considering the vast variety of flora and fauna on our own humble little planet, that allegedly sprung from interaction between a couple of amino acids, I would say that all evidence is to the contrary . . . life is pervasive . . . life adapts and overcomes. Life spreads and evolves to meet the restrictions of the environment.

uhm... yeah that is true. But who is saying that every other lifeform needs "life bearing conditions and components" that are the same as life forms here on earth?

who said the "life bearing conditions and components" of other lifeforms in galaxies 100000000 light years away aren't Nitrous Oxide and pure rock Sodium?

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Absolutely nemo . . .

If you read my earlier post, that's exactly what I was trying to say to h71y6 . . .

We lack the necessary information to make any predictions about how pervasive life may or may not be. My earth illustration was merely to point out that even here on earth, life evolves and adapts in many forms and in many environments.

So why not Silicon based or Sodium based as you suggest.

We just don't know. So any comments about how slim the odds of extraterrestrial life might be are only conjecture and not based upon empirical evidence since we really don't have any.

We also "assume" that our periodic table is complete. Who's to say that their aren't 100 more elements that do not exist on earth, that might in fact, be the building blocks of life as well?

Personally, I think that if we were to discover some way to travel the stars, I think we'd find life . . . intelligent life . . . to be more common than not.

I also believe that travel between the stars is possible. We just haven't made the technological leap that transcends Einstien. But as surely as we broke the sound barrier, I believe we can also break the "light barrier." Provided we don't kill ourselves first!

JMHO

-TR

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PEOPLE PEOPLE PEOPLE...

think about this for a second, im sure u have all seen what most people think an alien looks like right??.....with the big head, no hair, big eyes and small nose, mouth and small body....

well look at it in my view, scientists say that years and years ago (alot of years, i dont know how much :D ) we were APES, ok? so think about how much we've evolved to look like we do now....

NOW, take the amount of years in the past, and put them in the future (eg: 10000yrs ago, 10000yrs in the future), what do u think we would look like??? have a guess... is it something along the lines of:

no hair (we dont need it NOW, so evolution will take place soon)

big eyes (our only way to see, gets bigger and better)

big head (our brains enlarge with time, because we get smarter, probably use telepathic instead of verbal to communicate)

small mouth, nose (we dont need to eat big foods, everything will b compact, take the present for example, alot of people prefer to snack instead of eat a full meal, and we dont need this HUGE chunker stikin out called a nose)

small body, short (well most of the work would b done by machinary, so the use of long arms and long legs wouldnt be nessesary, evolution takes place, we become shorter)

so there u have it, my opinion, whats it all mean?....

I really think that the aliens that we see in those UFOs are really us (humans) that have learnt to travel thru time....i mean think about it, at the rate we are going with technological breakthroughs, its only a matter of time.

think about it, its really possible. ;)

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There has to be aliens. There are billions of trillions of galaxies. Galaxies have millions of billions of stars. There must be another planet with intelligent life.

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I've often considered that time travel theory myself.

I could go into a long drawn out explaination of what I think like everyone else does, but I'm just too damn lazy :D

woooo time for sleep

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Originally posted by TimeRider

Absolutely nemo . . .

If you read my earlier post, that's exactly what I was trying to say to h71y6 . . .

We lack the necessary information to make any predictions about how pervasive life may or may not be. My earth illustration was merely to point out that even here on earth, life evolves and adapts in many forms and in many environments.

So why not Silicon based or Sodium based as you suggest.

We just don't know. So any comments about how slim the odds of extraterrestrial life might be are only conjecture and not based upon empirical evidence since we really don't have any.

We also "assume" that our periodic table is complete. Who's to say that their aren't 100 more elements that do not exist on earth, that might in fact, be the building blocks of life as well?

Personally, I think that if we were to discover some way to travel the stars, I think we'd find life . . . intelligent life . . . to be more common than not.

I also believe that travel between the stars is possible. We just haven't made the technological leap that transcends Einstien. But as surely as we broke the sound barrier, I believe we can also break the "light barrier." Provided we don't kill ourselves first!

JMHO

-TR

Actually, i very much indeed agree with what you say. But i don't think it's uncommon that many people indeed understand what you're saying. There are a lot more that we have yet to find out. But your opinion that life evolves and adapts aggresively to an environment only holds true in that closed environment, where all the elements are condusive for it to exists. Then again, as you said, since we don't know enough, there is an equal possibility that NO life other us exists in this universe. We take what we know for certain and explore the uncertain using these sets of theories and tools UNTIL it is disapproven. I think you're going around in circles because just as likely as what you said demonstrates the possibility of life, it equally demonstrates the unlikelyhood of it. It's almost like questioning whether ghosts or god exists. Who knows? we don't know enough about matter itself to disapprove it, but based on the theories and knowledge we have, we can make conclusions. Bear in mind, EVERYTHING in science is an assumption and only hold true for a certain set of conditions, including laws that seems to hold true for us in all cases.

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Originally posted by TimeRider

As an earlier post suggested, a UFO is simply any airborne object that has been observed, but cannot be identified.

Intelligent life on other planets?

I would say that the odds that there is NOT intelligent life are far longer than the odds that there is. It has already been hypothesized that life exists elsewhere.

http://www.spacedaily.com/news/life-00w1.html

Depending on who you believe, this suggests that there is not only life beyond Earth, but within our very solar system life existed elsewhere a long time ago. I don't see why that is such a stretch. As the planets cooled, there must have been a time when conditions on Mars were not so different that those that existed during Earth's early history.

Why would it be so hard to concede that in other solar systems with like conditions, that a similiar combination of events occurred that allowed for the development of life on a cellular level. That such life, given sufficient time, evolved into some type of higher life form. That this higher life form then made the quantum leap that mankind did, whether by Divine hand or pure evolution is up to you to choose for yourself.

I am a Christian. I believe in God and I cannot see this almighty, omnipotent, non-linear entity finding satisfaction in the creation of one intelligent species throughout all space.

God created the heavens and the earth because it pleased Him to do so. I would not be so egocentric to believe that mankind was all that such a complex Being would need or want in all of time and space.

Of couse there is life elsewhere, anything else would be silly . . .

This is what makes topics like this so interesting :cool:...

I agree with TimeRider, and I realize that not everybody on this board believes what TimeRider and I do regarding the spiritual side of things. But taking God into account changes the whole spectrum of believing in intelligent life in another part of this galaxy.

I've spent hours... days, rather, talking about this with friends and teachers. Yesterday, in my local CompUSA where I work, I was talking to a pair of gentlemen. We were originally talking about Apple computers and admiring the space screensaver that was being displayed on the PowerMac in front of us. Then on of them starting talking about nights on the lake where he grew up. He said that there was absolutly no lights from the ground what-so-ever with the sole exception of a single street lamp. He would stare at the stars from his boat in the middle of the lake and said that he could literally see the milky way painted across the sky. He said, "It looked like someone took a brush and just splashed it across the sky".

He told me how small it made him feel and how everytime he would go out there and star gaze at night he couldn't shake the fact that there was something bigger out there. Someone responsible for all of it, and how there was no way we're the only ones out here.

I was truely inspired when I saw Contact with Jodie Foster for the first time. That movie meant so much to me about faith and beliefs. One of my favorite quotes of all times came from that movie. I don't remember it word for word, but...

"If out of all those stars, and all those planets circling those stars, we're the only ones here... That's an awful waste of space."

There's really no real evidence that there is extra-terrestrial life out there, but there is nothing to denounce it either. So I continue to remain open about it and will forever hold a level of curiousity as to whether or not we're alone in the universe.

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I was confirmed as a christian when I was younger, (which I regret now), so have experienced both worlds.

I cant help but read posts saying "god created this world, so why not another" and think of one big game of black and white....

Er anyway. I'm not sure why i'm posting about god related to UFOs, but I've started so I'll finish.

My thinking is that Gods,higher powers, what ever you call them, originated as a way to explain the un-explainable.

To the first humans, it may have been lightening, generally 'acts of god' as we know them. They couldn't explain them, so decided it must be someone more powerful.

Then parrallel this situation with UFOs. Someone sees a 'flick' in the sky, and cant explain it. What do the say it is? Aliens, with superior technology, from another planet.

Sounding familier?

Thats (very) basically how I believe the entire planet has been led to believe in a (or many) gods, with no (solid) proof.

I also follow many peoples thinking, with so many planets, I'd like to think there are other creatures enjoying life. I'd also like to think we'd meet them. (As many people would like to think there is a god, and would like to meet him).

And as someone else stated, how can we be sure we know the entire periodic table etc, I agree strongly. As he/she implied, people didnt believe 800mph existed 60 years ago.

Fingers crossed for nice friendly neighbours ;)

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