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Originally posted by Tux

nice and slow, none of that 15 replies a second where you can't even keep up with the forums..

I just have to say that this happens to any forum that has as many members that Neowin does. Be it Neonerds or wherever, as long as the member count is low, it'll be nice and slow for you.

So I guess what my point is, I don't see how this is really about Neonerds or Neowin. That point could be made about any sites in the same situation.

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I've been a little vague up until now, let me say this:

As far as I understand Steve was upset because 3nd3r made some remarks, or replies to remarks about the Neowin forums, and their recent decline, he also made a statement about not allowing his site to be in the same situation.

Just as easily as Steve got upset, he could have easily brushed it off and forgot about it.

What 3nd3r said really wan't much diffrent from Steves post concerning the recent decline in the forums.

I guess ultimately the truth does hurt, and even if you know the truth, it still hurts to hear it from other people.

As far as AdamXP, when someone gives someone else a forum to express whatever they want, that doesn't necessarily mean they have given that person a venue to say derrogatory things about a certain person, I can understand 3nd3rs position quite well, because AdamXP also had access to post whatever he wanted on my site.

After I learned of Adams immaturity, I decided to remove him, 3d3r was in a similar position, and decided to be a better person that I would be and gave AdamXP a second chance and allowed him to have his own subdomain, in my opinion that's really a great thing to do, you can't blame 3nd3r for Adams actions, 3nd3r didn't specifically know Adam would say anything derrogatory about anyone.

If my spelling is off it's because I need sleep.

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U DONT GET IT STEVE ITS ABOUT THE FUN ABOUT WHAT NEOWIN WAS THAT FEELING WHEN U u could used to b able to click it and feel good u could get that icon and u can get help but u cant ne more

u could make sumin nice and ppl go yeah thats nice and this is wrong but they were nice

u removed the chat bad idea

u removed the babes bad idea

u removed the fun bad idea

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And in response to your last post, if I were in your shoes, for the purpose of a reply specifically to allowing people to advertise etc:

If people advertise with a small line in their signature, or in the www link, I wouldn't complain.

MANY people got to Neowin from other sites, maybe from a news link, maybe another visitor, maybe someone elses sig somewhere else, most sites are made off the backs of other sites, and I can't understand why you wouldn't want to help out the next guy who is like you were years ago.

Not only that but most people don't get a link from A and go to B and never go back to A, infact it's more likely they won't ever go back to B again, or they will enjoy both A and B.

Lighten up Steve.

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Originally posted by PM5K

And in response to your last post, if I were in your shoes, for the purpose of a reply specifically to allowing people to advertise etc:

If people advertise with a small line in their signature, or in the www link, I wouldn't complain.

MANY people got to Neowin from other sites, maybe from a news link, maybe another visitor, maybe someone elses sig somewhere else, most sites are made off the backs of other sites, and I can't understand why you wouldn't want to help out the next guy who is like you were years ago.

Not only that but most people don't get a link from A and go to B and never go back to A, infact it's more likely they won't ever go back to B again, or they will enjoy both A and B.

Lighten up Steve.

very very well said!

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nice point man but i am afraid it dont hold up in water!

My site is not a spin off on neowin sure i got the name from neowin "neo"nerds nerds being what neowin used to be, glorius computer IT specialists from all over the world coming together to make a community!

I never abused my rights and privliges when i was staff EVER!

you got ****ed off when you saw the site that adamxp made about you "WHICH I DELETED THE SECOND I SWA IT" he has also been banned from my site for good. Hell i didnt even know that he did that! This whole ugly situation could have been handled correctly if you were to e-mail me or IM me to tell me that he had done that! but nOOOOOO you couldent do that you had to post a ****ing thread about it in area 51 and get every damn mod and staff member of neowin to hate me!

Now steve "HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF THAT HAPPENED TO YOU AND THE TABLES WERE TURNED?"

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PM5K I am so sorry messenger isnt working for me so I can make it clear webmaster to webmaster the issue here. Its not specifically about a person, its the actions of the person. AdamXP is a small factor I guarentee it.

This wind will pass, but as you say I DO care about my members and the direction of the site so yes it annoys me that the people who have gone to neonerds in retaliation for the communities own actions. The problem here is also that 3nd3r did NOT intend simply to say goodbye as he knew his faithful neonerd members would throw in their say.

Im just ****ed that 3nd3r when he left he took a couple of 100 members with him.. it feels like a back stabbing..

I hope you can understand that..

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Allrighty people.... heres my two cents worth

ya see im not pickin sides here but neobond and ender, ur acting like kids here...also its not all neobonds fault that the quality of the site has come down recently...ITS ALL THE PEOPLE THAT COME HERE TOO!! and ender, u didnt have to denounce ur mod duties to everyone neway but i dont really care whether or not u did...neobond u could have simply just ignored the fact that he left moderator status for his own site but no we at neowin thought it would be better if we publicly humilated him for postin a comment....

children is what we are being here...and its ****in me off as well as the members of neowin and neonerds...

****no offense to ender or neobond****

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And I am so sure that the 100 lost members made such a huge dent in your community, what will you ever do with out them ?

Oops, let me turn down the sarcasm meter...

mmmmmmm, shorty, mmmmmmmm

What were we talking about ?

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3nd3r as I tried to point out, you had alot of prior knowledge of what AdamXP is and was capable of.. I even spoke to you about him a couple of times.. AdamXP is not the only issue here.. Its the way the discussion about Neowin were going on Neonerds too (coming from a staff member too)

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I dont know but I visit both sites and ever since this forum started << spam >>'s member **** levels has increased by 20 percent.

And 99.99999999999% are neowin members.

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I see constant talk of Neowin going downhill but no proof? how is this? are there too many sign-ups lately or something?

I dont see alot of bickering and flaming on the general discussion and even MY thread about it generated 100 responses all well thought out and meaningfull posts.

There was a time on Neowin that we were being accused of OVER MODERATING, like closing and deleting threads when we THOUGHT they were going to go out of control? we listened and we are more leniant and now we dont moderate enough?

Jeez people..

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HERE I QUOTE ENDER FROM << spam >>

Hey guys, (and maybe some girls too?) welcome to << spam >>!! You're all welcome to start posting here, apart from you NeoBond!! You're not even welcome here. I (and the rest of us NeoNerdians) are very pleased that you've all decided to come along, and we're sad that NeoBond sorta lost the plot somewhere along the line. Don't worry, things are going to be just fine here.

ITS ****ING PATHETIC THE WAY YOU TWO ARE ACTING!! SINCE THIS FORUM AND DISCUSSION STARTED, I HAVE NOTICED A SIGNIFICANT DECREASE IN POPULARITY TO BOTH SITES!

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ITS ****ING PATHETIC THE WAY YOU TWO ARE ACTING!! SINCE THIS FORUM AND DISCUSSION STARTED, I HAVE NOTICED A SIGNIFICANT DECREASE IN POPULARITY TO BOTH SITES!

Heh.. thats funny. I see an increase in Neonerds popularity.. and a decrease in Neowins popularity...

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I know you are reading this Shorty, you'd better hide from me, because when I find you it's gonna be on !

:s

I've noticed an increase in morally frustrated pre-teen adolescents having urges to join the armed services.

Just an observation.

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neobond: look at any of the linux/mac/xp threads. constant bashing, nothing constructive or positive. look at any of the mozilla/netscape/IE/opera threads, same thing. look the desktop threads, no more constructive criticism, just "another stupid mac clone". there is a lot more too, it isn't hard to find.

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