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yes thats true, but i'm sure you understand why I stopped the other one for the time being. I'm not trying to shut people up. No one can do that. I'm just trying to *pause* it until Neobond can reply. I think thats reasonable isn't it?

Anyways... everyone is a little worked up right now. Thats understandable. But let me remind you, the forum rules do still apply so please keep things in line.

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Originally posted by Spyder

yes thats true, but i'm sure you understand why I stopped the other one for the time being. I'm not trying to shut people up. No one can do that. I'm just trying to *pause* it until Neobond can reply. I think thats reasonable isn't it?

Anyways... everyone is a little worked up right now. Thats understandable. But let me remind you, the forum rules do still apply so please keep things in line.

Let me remind you that the forum rules don't state anywhere that you can't post topics.

Let me also remind you that the forums don't just stop when you people go to sleep, you might think that, but they don't, they move on and if you miss something, you catch up next time you are on.

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Seven pages of this... and I read through all of it :ermm: (lol this was before the thread got closed on me, guess its 8 pages cummulative now).

I guess I can understand both sides of the issue, each of you, Neobond and 3nd3r, have your valid points. However it really has turned into some kind of 2nd grade school fight. The professionalism of both of you has severly been undermined and has made me questions if I would even want to become a neonerd member or stay a neowin member.

As far as the much talked about defecting members, does anyone think that maybe they might stay members of both communities? I am a member of a dozen or so neowin like sites, including my own (which I won't list here since that seems to get people on the sh*t list :p), and I am still an avid neowin member.

Neonerds at this point seems kind of like a "wanna-be", and I don't mean that in a bad way. It is another news based community for tech people (nerds), much like Neowin. But it has potential and may someday graduate to the same level of Neowin.

Neowin has its problems, if you don't see that Neobond then maybe the pride over this site has clouded your vision. You can take that the wrong way, but it happens to all of us when we have something sucessfull that begins to show its growth. I commend you and all the other staff on keeping the site running all this time. However there are problems. There is some bad flaming in the threads anymore, some of it is heat of the moment stuff, but some is just plain igorant and definately unprofessional. The maturity level (age or just plain acting) has dropped among some posters, though to no fault of the staff. Of course this is true of any site with so many members, just look at all the ignorance over at slashdot.

I am trying to be honest and forthright here, offering some constructive criticism, if anyone chooses to take this as something else then so be it. I hope however that this issue is resolved quickly, for the sake of both communities.

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im a member of both the sites i think 3and3r your site concepts are great but you gotta understand where neobond is comming from its like his site and hard work and when people say its a load of ****e i guess it hurts

correct me if im wrong i didnt manage to see that first post

but i think i will be a member of both your sites and take the posotive that each have to offer

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*sigh*

PM5k, I'm not continuing this but you did miss my point. Both things you said are definately true, but I never said otherwise.

I just said that everyone is a little worked up right now, and asked that things stay in line, and reminded that the forum rules are still valid and if things get out of line, threads will be closed and people will be warned.

Like it always has.

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Originally posted by PabUK

Who is Marvin Gaye?

:o Only the best soul/R&B singer ever to grace my ears... I think this thread (and the locked one) need some sexual healing, and really what's going on?

Sorry off topic but I couldn't resist :D.

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Originally posted by Spyder

*sigh*

PM5k, I'm not continuing this but you did miss my point. Both things you said are definately true, but I never said otherwise.

I just said that everyone is a little worked up right now, and asked that things stay in line, and reminded that the forum rules are still valid and if things get out of line, threads will be closed and people will be warned.

Like it always has.

I haven't seen any forum rules broken in this thread or the original thread, so put your little happy stick away and stop waveing at people until they have done something to earn your attention.

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Originally posted by PM5K

I haven't seen any forum rules broken in this thread or the original thread, so put your little happy stick away and stop waveing at people until they have done something to earn your attention.

Again, I didn't say there had been, it was a reminder for things not to *get* bad because of the mood everyone is in at the moment.

What you call "the happy stick" is what I call "being civil".

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Don't insult my intelligence, I have almost 1000 posts (more than you might I add) and I don't need anyone to remind me what the rules of the forums are, or to think that for some reason I would just disregard or forget the rules because of the situation, and I don't see anyone else doing that either.

So like I said, put your little happy stick away, it's not needed any opening your mouth when no one is doing anything wrong is only irritating.

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This is just sad :( .

Neobond has worked his ass off on this site from the start, and now some minor incident has turned into a schism that may not be repaired. I know that Neobond is taking this VERY personally, and I cannot blame him, but he is also taking it out on all of the members of the site. This, combined with the constant flaming and spamming is bringing the integrity and quality of this site to its knees. I hope the site itself is not next. I do not know if I will join neonerds or not, but if the situation does not improve (the site looks like it will collapse onto itself; it it beginning to look that way.), I will probably join the community. That will not mean that I have abandoned Neowin, though.

I am hoping that Neobond and 3nd3r can resolve their differences.

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Originally posted by PM5K

Don't insult my intelligence, I have almost 1000 posts (more than you might I add) and I don't need anyone to remind me what the rules of the forums are, or to think that for some reason I would just disregard or forget the rules because of the situation, and I don't see anyone else doing that either.

So like I said, put your little happy stick away, it's not needed any opening your mouth when no one is doing anything wrong is only irritating.

So what if you have more posts than me or than anyone else for that matter. That doesn't make you smarter or better than ANYONE. You've turned into a troll and I'm sad to say that I've responded yet again to another one of your posts.

Continue to say all the sad pathetic things you want about me. It doesn't make you the better person.

You'll no doubt want the last word and reply again, and I expect that. I'll say one last thing. I will say what I want, when I want. You don't make that call.

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The relevance is that I am just as aware if not more aware of the rules of this forum, so I don't need you to come along into my posts and tell me or others the rules that we are already aware of, you say it as if we are somehow going to forget or abandon the rules because there is a heated discussion, which isn't true.

I'm not a troll, I am someone that says something back to you (something valid at that) and your upset by that because it bursts your little bubble.

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PM5k, calm the F uck down.

Seriously, Spyder did the right thing in closing the thread for the night. It's not perminent, just off until Neobond can respond. Plus, it gives us some time to relax and stop flinging mud.

The thread will be open in the morning, mud can be flung at that point, and, hopefully, we can get over this little slump.

I'm going to go back to posting normal comments and responding to people's questions. No more of this neowin quality crap. It's useless to debate...

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In a way...both sides are right, but what I'm not liking is that this whole issue is bringing out the worst in all of us. We are all over 13, we are all mature....

Although things will get ugly, lets try to keep our heads on. We have to understand that this debate/issue will have to be moderated...but keep it to a minimium, as we have to ensure that the fair opinion of the public gets their way.

Just my $0.02

Simon

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Like I said before, the forums don't just stop for people because they are asleep, he can always catch up in the morning just like everyone else does.

The only thing worse than a lack of moderation is too much moderation, moderation should be in moderation.

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This situation IMO has went past "a little stump." I think what has happened will deeply impact the quality of this site in a negative way for quite some time:(

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Originally posted by simms

In a way...both sides are right, but what I'm not liking is that this whole issue is bringing out the worst in all of us. We are all over 13, we are all mature....

Although things will get ugly, lets try to keep our heads on. We have to understand that this debate/issue will have to be moderated...but keep it to a minimium, as we have to ensure that the fair opinion of the public gets their way.

Just my $0.02

Simon

Well said Simon, though I would disagree about both sides being right, in the simplest way I can say it all that hapenned on 3nd3rs site (the topic actually started by someone else) was that he said he would not let his site suffer the fate that Neowin has suffered, is there anything really wrong with that, with saying that you'll learn from the mistakes of others and try to avoid the negative things that have hapenned to other sites ?

Is that so wrong?

And to hold someone personally accountable for something someone else says is unfair no matter how you slice it, even if 3nd3r did provide the space for AdamXP to say those things, 3nd3r never intended for that to happen and that's what really matters.

(personally I wouldn't even care if the little troll said things about me)

I do however agree with everything else you said.

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