insanekiwi Posted August 24, 2004 Share Posted August 24, 2004 heh. hello? ever heard about sarcasm? invision power board supports other langauges. and cmon, how hard can it be to learn english? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny_C Posted August 24, 2004 Share Posted August 24, 2004 yeah even children speak it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pink Floyd Veteran Posted August 24, 2004 Veteran Share Posted August 24, 2004 well if craybox was sarcastic, then this is my error. but i dont think so you know insanekiwi, where I live and in france, ppl dont have to learn english at all. they can live in their country w/o having to speak english at all. Over there, they usually learn spanish or german or something I agree with you, english is a language they should learn, but when a discussion is turning very technical, speaking in another language than your native one can be very difficult Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sim1 Posted August 24, 2004 Share Posted August 24, 2004 my first language is french so if french ppl cannot learn english somewhere they su*k bcz neowin would be a good reason :yes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pink Floyd Veteran Posted August 24, 2004 Veteran Share Posted August 24, 2004 where do you live siml? and from there, do you really have to speak english ? (I mean in real life, not internet) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee4u Posted August 24, 2004 Share Posted August 24, 2004 While I don't think there is an immediate need to make an all-French Neowin clone (exlusively-French websites make up only 4% of the Internet, so they're beaten by the 5% Japanese), you people who are saying, "Then learn English!" are being unrealistic and just a little bit stupid. English is probably one of the most difficult languages to learn. I bet if we all spoke Esperanto, we wouldn't have to be taking a class on it for more than 7 years of our school careers. :shifty: *Ahem* The logical reason we don't need a Parisian doppelg?nger (cool word combo!) for Neowin is that the number of users on the Internet who speak French exclusively and do not understand English is relatively small; many are fluent in English, or understand the gist of it at the very least. If they really haven't the slightest idea how to read or write in English, they have online translators that will do it automatically. Yes, I know the results are rather sloppy; but then again, so is the writing of a few select members in this thread.:rolleyes:: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny_C Posted August 24, 2004 Share Posted August 24, 2004 you people who are saying, "Then learn English!" are being unrealistic and just a little bit stupid. English is probably one of the most difficult languages to learn. I bet if we all spoke Esperanto, we wouldn't have to be taking a class on it for more than 7 years of our school careers. :shifty: No we are very realistic. It is a matter of culture and education,you would have to be retartded not to learn the most spoken language on the planet,chinese excluded. Who says english is difficult to learn,you just need to put effort in it thats all. Some are slow you know... ...they need many years to learn. As some of the members of this forum would recognize themselves in the previous sentence. And yes writting is also hard to learn like a,b,c... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee4u Posted August 24, 2004 Share Posted August 24, 2004 No we are very realistic.It is a matter of culture and education,you would have to be retartded not to learn the most spoken language on the planet,chinese excluded. Who says english is difficult to learn,you just need to put effort in it thats all. Some are slow you know... ...they need many years to learn. As some of the members of this forum would recognize themselves in the previous sentence. And yes writting is also hard to learn like a,b,c... Third most-spoken, actually; there are a few million more Spanish-speakers around the world then there are English-speakers.; and by "Chinese," I think you mean Mandarin. Anyway... Sorry, but anyone who thinks English is an easy language to learn when compared to most other Latin-based languages isn't thinking right. For every rule, there seems to be a few hundred exceptions, or 20 different ways to pronounce a single letter. It's actually easier for a native Spanish-speaker to learn Japanese than English, and the same thing goes for native Japanese speakers learning Spanish. Of course you and I can say it's easy, we've been surrounded by the language since we popped out of the womb. You're being a close-minded biased chauvanist, you just don't realize it. :whistle: Good God, this thread has been horribly derailed... :ninja: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hum Posted August 24, 2004 Share Posted August 24, 2004 :laugh: Oui oui ! I've wondered why there are few, if any French members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wannes Posted August 24, 2004 Share Posted August 24, 2004 you can have invision power board in french making the links, etc french but the posts are english. making a french neowin has no use, we could start making one for every language. english is a well known language all around the globe, most probably why the admins chose it as the language for neowin. they could have made neowin dutch if they wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny_C Posted August 24, 2004 Share Posted August 24, 2004 You're being a close-minded biased chauvanist, you just don't realize it. :whistle: learn to spell. Web definitions for chauvinist a person with a prejudiced belief in the superiority of his or her own kind www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn - Definition in context and no i'm not. but you are entitled to an opinion,at least for now. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee4u Posted August 24, 2004 Share Posted August 24, 2004 learn to spell. Wait, I make a single typo and you pretentiously correct me on it? If I were to correct every English faux pas--or any language-related issue, for that matter--you've made in this thread, I would have a higher post count than you by now. :p It's quite obvious that someone hoping to make use of the Internet should be familliar with the English language, I'm not denying that. The only reason I called you a "close-minded biased chauvanist [sic]" is because you said, "... you [sic] would have to be retartded[sic] not to learn the most spoken language on the planet [sic], [sic] chinese [sic] excluded [sic]." "Retarted"? Apparently, I'm not the only one who needs to learn how to spell (and in your case, learn to use a keyboard ;) ). So nothing personal, although those were a lot of [sic]'s. :D Heh... "retartded"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsquirle Posted August 24, 2004 Share Posted August 24, 2004 If the french want to make a neowin like forum, I think they can do it. But without the name neowin. (It's not the name that makes a good forum, it are the members.) In my opinion neowin is 1 community and it has to stay 1 community, breaking it up in little pieces would only make it bad, neowin would die slowly because there would be less members per site. In belgium, for example, there's another forum which tries to help people with computer problems in dutch. I've took a look at it, and compared to neowin it's a rather deserted place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny_C Posted August 24, 2004 Share Posted August 24, 2004 Wait, I make a single typo and you pretentiously correct me on it? If I were to correct every English faux pas--or any language-related issue, for that matter--you've made in this thread, I would have a higher post count than you by now. :pIt's quite obvious that someone hoping to make use of the Internet should be familliar with the English language, I'm not denying that. The only reason I called you a "close-minded biased chauvanist [sic]" is because you said, "... you [sic] would have to be retartded[sic] not to learn the most spoken language on the planet [sic], [sic] chinese [sic] excluded [sic]." "Retarted"? Apparently, I'm not the only one who needs to learn how to spell (and in your case, learn to use a keyboard ;) ). So nothing personal, although those were a lot of [sic]'s. :D Heh... "retartded"... but that single typo was meant to be rude,and you even did not insult me,because i choose who can,and with what. and yes a person not knowing English today,and have no computer skills is considered retarded,no "T"'s now. go ahead make a higher post count then me,and be labeled spammer,if you think post count has anything to do with anything go ahead,i will not make an issue. and no nothing personal. and yes there are other languages that need to be learned in order to be considered educated. if someone wants to represent a policy of state for not letting people learn any,it is their problem,not mine,or this forum,which is what is this thread all about. and if you think my post count or anyone elses has something to do with how smart or not they are,you are deadly wrong. look around you a little,and see who is asking what and who answers. since october 11th '03 you should have concluded that but... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pascal421 Posted August 24, 2004 Share Posted August 24, 2004 Hi, I'm french but I agree with some of you, Neowin is a great site, in english, and should stay like that. If you translate this site in french it would be another copy of french sites already inspired by Neowin (to be realistic). If this site is so good, people will learn english, enough to understand. But I do no like when some of you wrote "everyone speaks english", "even children speaks english" (in your country maybe :o) this does not show you very open to people living around you. Especially when we watch the news I think there is enough conflicts between countries to not make the same stupid fight on forums because we are not tolerant. I hope this community will stay opens to non-english people :happy:. By the way, sorry for my bad english :blush: feujman, I hope your project will find his own way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaraBoft Posted August 24, 2004 Share Posted August 24, 2004 omg you dont understand... i dont want to copy neowin for my plesure, juste make it accecible for french user ... phpnuke french community... It's time you French learn how to speak English.... ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee4u Posted August 24, 2004 Share Posted August 24, 2004 If the french want to make a neowin like forum, I think they can do it.But without the name neowin. (It's not the name that makes a good forum, it are the members.) In my opinion neowin is 1 community and it has to stay 1 community, breaking it up in little pieces would only make it bad, neowin would die slowly because there would be less members per site. In belgium, for example, there's another forum which tries to help people with computer problems in dutch. I've took a look at it, and compared to neowin it's a rather deserted place. That is pretty much what I think; there are too few frequent posters here who use French as their first language to run any sort of successful subforum. Even if there were a viable population of French-speakers on Neowin, starting a seperate forum just for them would only fragment the community. You know those God-forsaken cliques in high school who gossip about other students amongst themselves and no one can really join them? There would be a similar situation if Neowin had a little "French Club." And if we had a French forum, why not a German forum? There are way more Deutsch-speakers using the Internet than there are French. Then there are Spanish-speakers and Japanese-speakers, which are close behind. Of course, for every language we do not create a forum exclusively for, we'll have members decrying it as discrimination, prejudice, and whatnot. English is the "Language of the Internet." If you want to read and contribute to Neowin, use English; if not, there are plenty of French tech sites out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNRambo Posted August 24, 2004 Share Posted August 24, 2004 sad.now they should learn some. neowin is worth that much. Do you know french? to them your sad :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pink Floyd Veteran Posted August 24, 2004 Veteran Share Posted August 24, 2004 well for some who dont know here, french is one of the most spoken language in the world, in front of english of course with that said, the idea was just to start a french neowin communauty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny_C Posted August 24, 2004 Share Posted August 24, 2004 Do you know french? to them your sad:rolleyes: yes i do, worked 5 years in Paris with Gendarmerie Nationale. that is how i know they do not know english,very well at least,so i had to learn french. am gratefull for that,but i do not use i often. also i speak 4 more languages,but that is not the issue here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd Posted August 24, 2004 Share Posted August 24, 2004 I sense this thread being closed soon with something like "If we want a French version, we'll do it ourselves" :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny_C Posted August 24, 2004 Share Posted August 24, 2004 i'll report it first if you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshalus Veteran Posted August 24, 2004 Veteran Share Posted August 24, 2004 There is one Neowin. If you want to start a tech forum, go for it, make it in any language you want, but we will not allow official or unofficial copies of this site, or the use of the Neowin name. We shut down neowin.ru (Russian translation) for partly this reason. * Moved to S&FI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMann Veteran Posted August 24, 2004 Veteran Share Posted August 24, 2004 No thanks, bye bye now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sim1 Posted August 24, 2004 Share Posted August 24, 2004 im from montreal, canada (u know verdun?) im not that good in writing and speaking english but i understand what others said. maybe only some expressions i dont understand but lol who cares ;) i still think that u need to know more then 1 language to succeed in life :pinch: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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