pmh Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 Very true, however, to evolve into another animal (or human), there would have to be added DNA, which as you said, isn't possable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDX1 Posted September 12, 2004 Author Share Posted September 12, 2004 Very true, however, to evolve into another animal (or human), there would have to be added DNA, which as you said, isn't possable. Or the environment changes, thus the animal changes. But then why are there still monkeys? Maybe they have just started to evolve and will soon enough. (Millions of years..) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veiva Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 Assume it's impossible to travel the speed of light. But if everything is infinite, then nothing is impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerm Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 Why would you need 'added DNA' ? It's called evolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerm Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 But if everything is infinite, then nothing is impossible. Why is it? Do you understand what you're saying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axel Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 Very true, however, to evolve into another animal (or human), there would have to be added DNA, which as you said, isn't possable. How are thoughts and memories brought into existence? It's like DNA, it's called genetic memory and it doesnt come out of no where. It's like the way you learn, DNA learns too. You're body somehow imprints it's knowledge into new DNA. It's like building a brick wall. You personally know how to do that, and you may adapt to say... a softer foundation or a harder foundation. You're body does that with DNA aswell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonBlur Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 I have been thinking about this the past couple of years. I'm wondering what other people think of this idea.So everyone pretty much agrees the Universe is infinite, never ending and always expanding. Since almost everyone agrees on that, here is my next statement. Since the Universe never ends, that means there are infinite worlds out there, since there are infinite worlds, there has to be other people like us doing exactly the same thing. There also has to be people doing the opposite of what we are doing now. 'Star Wars' is also happening since the Universe is infinite. There has to be aliens, and every imaginable situation, thought, or 'what if' is happening now. This includes every movie, book, thought, opposite is going on. Anyone care to share other thoughts on this matter? This would make sense if an infinite Universe = infinate matter, stars, planets, etc. which it does not. The "fact" that the Universe is infinite does not mean that there are an infinite amount of matter and planets. Right now the models that exist that say the Universe is infinite only say that because it is infinately expandable, not that there are an infinite amount of planets taking up all that space. I'll use a very simple example in video games. Many games don't have map boundaries, so you can go on into infinity and never hit a border. That being said, the developers only filled that map with a certain amount of elements. So when you hit the point where there is no more content, you can keep going, but it is "empty". That is the same concept as the infinite Universe. It has no boundaries, you don't get to a point and just STOP, but you would get to a point where there would be NOTHING THERE. No planets, no stars, nothing. Most modern models don't agree with an infinite Universe as you describe it. Most of them take into account the SHAPE of the Universe, which your example and mine do not account for. For instance, you would never reach the boundary of the Universe because you keep going in a "loop". There are no edges, but the Universe is in fact finite in "size". Despite this, it is either A) infinitely expandable and keeps expanding forever, or B) is infinitely expandable but the gravatational forces will eventually stop expansion and it will start to collapse into itself. What the models DO account for is infinite Universes, where what you explained would in fact take place in some form. The problem is that it would probably be impossible to travel to an alternate Universe. It may be possible to have primitive communication using advanced physics, but to actually physically move a person to an alternate dimension is probably not possible, and even if it was, the other Universe would most likely be so radically different from our own (physical laws, etc.) that you would not be able to accomplish much. In both of these cases, what you explain is not possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axel Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 But if everything is infinite, then nothing is impossible. But you are assuming "EVERYTHING" is infinate. Infinate in terms of size is different to terms of possibilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Grey Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 Very true, however, to evolve into another animal (or human), there would have to be added DNA, which as you said, isn't possable. every time one of your cells replicate the DNA is replicated too. Most of the time your body makes a perfect copy, sometimes it doesn't. If the DNA isn't copied perfectly in one of your sex cells, a defect can be passed onto the next generation. If that defect happens to be beneficial, the organism may have a better chance of surviving, and more importantly reproducing. Therefore, we do get new combinations of DNA out of sheer luck, and that's how little by little we evolved from other primates (NOT monkeys, monkeys are our evolutionary cousins, and you didn't "come" from your cousins, did you?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veiva Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 Oh forget it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmh Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 Why would you need 'added DNA' ? It's called evolution. Okay, DNA is the basic building block of life. For there to be big change (IE Evolution) there would need to be added DNA. Also, I pulled this from www.answersingenesis.org It is not enough to explain how DNA might have gathered into strands by random chance; evolutionists must also explain the machinery to interpret DNA. In other words, it?s not enough to explain how random letters could eventually fall into the order S-E-E-T-H-E-D-O-G-R-U-N. These letters still don?t mean anything unless you have a pre-existing language system for interpreting those letters! ?See the dog run? has meaning, but only to a modern English-speaker. (The origin of ?information? is a critical weakness in evolutionary theory?see Self-Replicating Enzymes? and Q&A: Information Theory.)Biochemist Dr Duane Gish, a stalwart in the Creation movement and vice president of the Institute for Creation Research, observes about the human genome: ?The genetics are so incredibly complex and can be so marvelously interrelated that it?s absolutely going to demand an intelligent source. The idea that all of this could have come about by random accidents, genetic errors, and so forth is just simply beyond comprehension.?4 He explains, for instance, that cells must have an incredibly sophisticated editing process to ensure that each gene is reproduced error-free. ?If life did not have that editing process right at the very start, then it would just mutate right out of existence,? he explains. ?All those errors would slip through?they?d make nonsense, and that would be the end of it. The fact that we have to have that editing process from the very beginning means it had to be created to be there to be effective and to do that work?or life could not exist.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JorgeIvan Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 When i think in the universe my head broke :pinch: Is a mistery... No one gonna solve it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axel Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 Oh forget it. I could talk about this all night. But in the end the mind still boggles :punch: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerm Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 I disagree. It could be infinite number of similar 'universe's/worlds/galaxies' whatever, without any change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HPMCommander Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 Ooh, you know what that means? There's an infinite amount of people out there willing to give me all of their money! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ajapi Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 okay, lets say some weird green aliens managed to reach light speed. fine. a million-year trip to earth. how the HELL are they going to make it alive? i mean, no living thing could have that type of lifespan. if they were even just a thousand years away, chances are they visited and we didnt notice. human beings havent been around for so long, and we've only recently (in terms of the planet's history) started to record history. one more thing: their planet of origin would have to be of a similar size as ours in order to survive: remember we have millions of tons of pressure around us (an entire atmosphere and billions of tons of air), which we dont feel because we were concieved and born here. what about them? i mean, even organisms from mars, which isnt that much bigger than us would have a hard time keeping alive in here. i think, since pressure in mars is so much more, they would just behave like jelly, as their bodies cant stay together due to low pressure. if it was the other way aound, and they came from a lil planet like pluto, they would crush under the enormous pressure they would notice. all these factors put together kind of limit the chances of aliens visiting us, without diminishing the chances they exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axel Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 Okay, DNA is the basic building block of life. For there to be big change (IE Evolution) there would need to be added DNA. Also, I pulled this from www.answersingenesis.org DNA isnt added. It's altered! It's like we have found ways to alter DNA of plants and animals... the body does that itself with the DNA That you pass on to further generations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Grey Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 Okay, DNA is the basic building block of life. For there to be big change (IE Evolution) there would need to be added DNA. Also, I pulled this from www.answersingenesis.org uhh, if you had added DNA you'd be really screwed up (many genetic diseases come from having 3 of a certain chromosome). Our DNA doesn't get 'added to', but it changes. Tiny screw-ups your body makes over billions of years creates evolution. It's not like some primate somewhere popped out a human baby, but infinity small changes over billions of years yields new species. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonBlur Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 The universe is not expanding. Everything contained within the universe is simply shrinking at the same rate relative to everything else.Prove me wrong. Prove you wrong? Alright then... If what you say is true, we would feel the basic forces in the Universe less and less. Gravity at this point would be a null force, since our mass would be getting smaller and smaller. And at the rate at which the Universe seems to be expanding, we would now be controlled by subatomic forces like the Strong and Weak forces and not the others like Gravity. Also, the basic elements of matter cannot shrink, that just doesn't make any sense at all. Therefore, you cannot be correct ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerm Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 OMG, some silly ideas here. Maybe there are other 'lifeforms', but if they are the chances that they are something with organs and limbs etc and even remotely similar to anything we know is beyond slim. What if they are something we CANNOT imagine? Not life, no breathing, no thinking, something you cannot think of? p.s it is IMPOSSIBLE to travel at the speed of light. Go Einstein, woop-woop! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veiva Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 okay, lets say some weird green aliens managed to reach light speed. fine. a million-year trip to earth. how the HELL are they going to make it alive? i mean, no living thing could have that type of lifespan. if they were even just a thousand years away, chances are they visited and we didnt notice. human beings havent been around for so long, and we've only recently (in terms of the planet's history) started to record history. one more thing: their planet of origin would have to be of a similar size as ours in order to survive: remember we have millions of tons of pressure around us (an entire atmosphere and billions of tons of air), which we dont feel because we were concieved and born here. what about them? i mean, even organisms from mars, which isnt that much bigger than us would have a hard time keeping alive in here. i think, since pressure in mars is so much more, they would just behave like jelly, as their bodies cant stay together due to low pressure. if it was the other way aound, and they came from a lil planet like pluto, they would crush under the enormous pressure they would notice. all these factors put together kind of limit the chances of aliens visiting us, without diminishing the chances they exist. Whenyou near the speed of light, time slows down. There are two twins. One of the stays on earth, and the other travels near the speed of light to some place 40 light years away. The twin that satyed on Earth would be a lot older than the twin the went up in the space ship near the speed of light. Then one in the ships would only have aged a little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axel Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 Prove you wrong? Alright then...If what you say is true, we would feel the basic forces in the Universe less and less. Gravity at this point would be a null force, since our mass would be getting smaller and smaller. And at the rate at which the Universe seems to be expanding, we would now be controlled by subatomic forces like the Strong and Weak forces and not the others like Gravity. Also, the basic elements of matter cannot shrink, that just doesn't make any sense at all. Therefore, you cannot be correct ;) Nu uh coz the basic forces are changing strength relative to our size. So his theory does have backing. If everything was infinately shrinking... how could we tell, we'd have no scale because the scale would change too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HPMCommander Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 Prove you wrong? Alright then...If what you say is true, we would feel the basic forces in the Universe less and less. Gravity at this point would be a null force, since our mass would be getting smaller and smaller. And at the rate at which the Universe seems to be expanding, we would now be controlled by subatomic forces like the Strong and Weak forces and not the others like Gravity. Also, the basic elements of matter cannot shrink, that just doesn't make any sense at all. Therefore, you cannot be correct ;) haha... you think that's proving him wrong? You're basing your "proof" on physics assumptions... many of which haven't been proven themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 How could life just have started? How could a bang happen if there was nothing? It just isn't logical. Life didn't just start. It evolved. Nothing is a vouge expression. Do you consider the space inside an empty glass jar nothing? What is logical? That something has to be inside something else? Universe can be and actually is infinite, but in a tricky way. The actual infinite sign already indicates to the fact that you will always come back to the point you started at. As an example, take a piece of paper stroke, twist it and connect the sides. Draw a point and see how long will it take you to reach that point if you go along the stroke. Same happens with the universe, simply because light bends. So theoretically if you would shine a beam of light ahead of you it will eventually appear on your back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonBlur Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 Nu uh coz the basic forces are changing strength relative to our size. So his theory does have backing. If everything was infinately shrinking... how could we tell, we'd have no scale because the scale would change too. The basic forces have nothing in common with our SIZE. There is absolutely no reason that the basic forces of the Universe would be changing strength at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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