Guest daniel Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 Originally posted by neo1980 unfortunately some people take on a life as a suicide bombings because there is no hope in them and im sick of Israeli`s comparing 9/11 with these bombings, those ppl from9/11 were terrorists because thier goal is to detroy America, these have always just said, " we want our land back" thats it Palestinians don't want peace with Israel, they want to destroy Israel. And it's the same as 9/11 just on a smaller scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neo1980 Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 Originally posted by daniel I never said that. The tora and the Jews appreciate (couldn't find the right word) life more than anything. As for the Islam , it's a 180 degrees turn. so now u are bringing in Religion into this when the dispute is land? you are blaming 1.8 billion people of this religion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neo1980 Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 Originally posted by daniel Palestinians don't want peace with Israel, they want to destroy Israel. And it's the same as 9/11 just on a smaller scale. HAHA u just said what the world is sick of hearing, comparison of the 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest daniel Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 Originally posted by neo1980 so now u are bringing in Religion into this when the dispute is land? you are blaming 1.8 billion people of this religion? I never said it's only because of land , it's also because of religion. If the Islam didn't say that they need to kill everybody that didn't belive in Mohamd , and they need to use terror to get what they want this all **** would have been over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YtseJam Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 Hmm... I tried to not interfer you two little chat :) But, neo... Just 'cause someone is sick of hearing something -- Doesn't mean it makes it less true... Now can we please try and shift this... Umm, discussion, back on topic? 'Cause it's really starting to get out of hand. Daniel, lets calm down... Aye? Let me write something in Hebrew(though I'll use English fonts ;)) "Le'hitragez, ze kmo le'haanish et atzmecha al tipshutam shel acherim". Okay? Calm down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest daniel Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 Originally posted by nant Hmm... I tried to not interfer you two little chat :) But, neo... Just 'cause someone is sick of hearing something -- Doesn't mean it makes it less true... Now can we please try and shift this... Umm, discussion, back on topic? 'Cause it's really starting to get out of hand. It is but it's all connected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neo1980 Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 as i said before there are a handfull of people among 3 MILLION palestinians who bring in religion, but that is NO justification that if there are a dozen or so who say this, the whole Islamic world is to blame, I never blamed Judiasm or Christianity because I KNOW that they are peace full religion even though i DONT know anything about it , so if you have HEARD that thats what Prophet Muhammad said than you dont know anything about Islam, and if you dont know anything and have not read the Quran or the sayings of the Holy prophet you have no right in inciting hatred against a religion which is for peace in the eyes of 99.99 percent of the 1.8 billion Muslims Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YtseJam Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 Daniel, yes... It's connected, but still. ze lo ya'azor, nisinu kvar kan... ze pashut lo ozer. azov. neo, 99.9%? :) We are using too many numbers here and none actually knows any real figures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yazoo Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 Originally posted by daniel Just go here . I didn't want to bring it up but the Palastinans hate us , no not Israelis , Jews. Did you know that they helped the Natzis? How old are you and were did you get that information from? The nazi's not only killed jews the also killed muslims, it was fortunate that there was not that many muslims in his way otherwise more would have been killed. All the pro Israelis in this post seem to think that if a person is armed with a firearm but not wearing a soldiers unform is a terrorist. Its that kind of thinking that has made Sharon an unpopular man. The palastinians are not rich people and will defend themselves with any means they have without wasting money on uniforms. The people of Palastine are being terrorised by Israeli trigger happy soldiers. Just because they wear a uniform does not exclude them from being terrorists. I am not saying that there are no terrorists in Palastine but one should look in the mirror before calling other's names. More civilian palasitines have been killed at the hands of the Israelis since the conflict began. It would seem that the palastines are defending their way of life too. The more bombers they send more innocent palastinians are killed. To date more muslims have been murdered than any other faith. Just look at china where 100's are killed each month just because they are muslims. The christians spent 200 years (Crusades) trying to wipe out the muslims with superior armies and failed. My point, You may win a battle but you will never win the war. Give up on this way for both sides PLEASE. Try a peaceful solution. What do they say: Try Try again if you don't succeed try again. This has paid off in Northern Ireland it WILL pay off here too. Just give it a chance. We should'nt have to live like this, in our day and age. It is so sad to see this. If I could I would smack both sides on the back of the head and give them detention every day of their lives until they worked out their differences. if only heh!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimeRider Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 Did you know that they helped the Natzis? So did the Catholics. Should we invade Vatican City? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yazoo Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 Originally posted by daniel I never said it's only because of land , it's also because of religion. If the Islam didn't say that they need to kill everybody that didn't belive in Mohamd , and they need to use terror to get what they want this all **** would have been over. Islam does not say kill everyone who does not beleive in their prophet. Are you a muslim? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest daniel Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 I'm 16 but that doesn't matter. First read this (I found it on this forum): Palestinians aren't Israeli citizens. Thus Israel has no legal obligation to treat them as such. Israeli-Arabs on the other hand, are protected by our basic 11 laws, and ARE rightful citizens. They study in Israeli universities are have representation in Israeli parlament. Palestinians reside inside the Palestinian autonomy, which is under Arafat's jurisdiction and responsibility. The horrible conditions in the refugee camps are a direct cause of Arafat's negligence for his entire people. The people in Jenin's refugee camp have the opportunity to expand and live more comfortably. Arafat has released no funds or bettered in any way the local conditions inside the autonomy and Israel is hardly responsible for that. Did you know that Palestinians police officers (With uniform) killed Israelis and help terrorism. And why do they need to defend? We don't come to kill them , it's not our goal. It's not self defiance , it's TERRORISEM! I want you to come here and be in a terrorist attack , then I'll hear what you have to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest daniel Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 Originally posted by TimeRider So did the Catholics. Should we invade Vatican City? We didn't "invade" their cities because they helped them it's because we have to destroy terrorism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest daniel Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 Originally posted by Yazoo Islam does not say kill everyone who does not beleive in their prophet. Are you a muslim? Did you know that in the quran it says that they need to kill all the heretics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimeRider Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 We didn't "invade" their cities because they helped them it's because we have to destroy terrorism. Ah-h-h-h-h-h! I guess I missed that arguement earlier. Well that changes everything. So you admit that your army is an invading force? Your country is invading and area that belongs to someone else . . . you're not welcome, you're forcing your way in with military. Well I think you should quit that. -TR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest daniel Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 Originally posted by TimeRider Ah-h-h-h-h-h! I guess I missed that arguement earlier. Well that changes everything. So you admit that your army is an invading force? Your country is invading and area that belongs to someone else . . . you're not welcome, you're foring your way in. -TR Didn't you notice the ""??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockcreek Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 Originally posted by Neobond why has he failed to listen to the UN then when the US, UK and European union have demanded he pull out and get back to the peace talks. When a man answers violence with violence he is NOT a great man he is either a fool or a war lusting parasite. Why should he? Sometimes violence must be answered with violence. So are you saying the leaders of the US, England, France etc were all fools in 1941? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimeRider Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 So are you saying the leaders of the US, England, France etc were all fools in 1941? Slightly different circumstances to be sure. Any comparison between that situation and this is not very well thought out. I don't think anyone here has said that the suicide bombings are the proper way to deal with the Palestinian cause. But much as the kamikaze pilots in WWII, the Palestinians are a desparate people. They have no standing army, their ability to discharge the invading Israeli forces is limited. The rest of the civilized world needs to step in and condemn the acts of terror on both sides and try to get each to sit down with third party mediators to resolve the issues peacefully. This is going to end badly for both sides if it continues. It's senseless on both sides. Israel has the greatest degree of control here, and I believe they need to back off, and get out of the disputed areas entirely. As they should have by treaty several times in the last 35 years. -TR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madrose Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 Why the world can see only one side of the story... Why the world only see the Palstineian definding their life as Torreriesm... You are always seeing one side of the story and judging on that... Aren't they are doing the same what they claim was done to them during the WW2. Can't you all see what they are doing to the Palastenian... Killing eceryday... Bones breaking in front of the camera...killing... and so on. What are expecting from a Israel. to come and say, YES PEOPLE WE ARE COLD BLOODED KILLERS. Come on ppl, wake up and open your eyes and see the truth. Don't lestin to what they are telling you, go out and find the truth. If someone went inside your house and capture your wife and children... what well you do? Just answear this question. and you will relise...what the Palestineian feels... I am one of them, when they came in 1948 and took our house and gave it to the settlers, and kik us out... gave our land to some gews and name it as their properties... Originally posted by daniel Palestinians aren't Israeli citizens. Thus Israel has no legal obligation to treat them as such. Israeli-Arabs on the other hand, are protected by our basic 11 laws, and ARE rightful citizens. They study in Israeli universities are have representation in Israeli parlament. Palestinians reside inside the Palestinian autonomy, which is under Arafat's jurisdiction and responsibility. The horrible conditions in the refugee camps are a direct cause of Arafat's negligence for his entire people. The people in Jenin's refugee camp have the opportunity to expand and live more comfortably. Arafat has released no funds or bettered in any way the local conditions inside the autonomy and Israel is hardly responsible for that. Did you know that Palestinians police officers (With uniform) killed Israelis and help terrorism. And why do they need to defend? We don't come to kill them , it's not our goal. It's not self defiance , it's TERRORISEM! I want you to come here and be in a terrorist attack , then I'll hear what you have to say. [/b] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madrose Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 Originally posted by daniel Did you know that in the quran it says that they need to kill all the heretics? Who has told you this... Are you a muslim... Or maybe a specialist in the Quran... Please don't say things that is not true... If you have proof of what you are saying please post it, but don't makeup things from your mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockcreek Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 Originally posted by TimeRider Slightly different circumstances to be sure. Any comparison between that situation and this is not very well thought out. I don't think anyone here has said that the suicide bombings are the proper way to deal with the Palestinian cause. But much as the kamikaze pilots in WWII, the Palestinians are a desparate people. They have no standing army, their ability to discharge the invading Israeli forces is limited. They have AK47s and Anti Tank missles. And of course they were bombing innocents as far back as the Berlin Olympics. None of this terror is new to them or this current situation. The rest of the civilized world needs to step in and condemn the acts of terror on both sides and try to get each to sit down with third party mediators to resolve the issues peacefully. This is going to end badly for both sides if it continues. It's senseless on both sides. Israel has the greatest degree of control here, and I believe they need to back off, and get out of the disputed areas entirely. As they should have by treaty several times in the last 35 years. -TR They have AK47s and Anti Tank missles. And of course they were bombing innocents as far back as the Berlin Olympics. None of this terror is new to them or this current situation. It has not been that long ago that Arafat turned down getting back over 90% of the pre 67 land back.... They have sat down and each time the same thing happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockcreek Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 Originally posted by TimeRider Slightly different circumstances to be sure. Any comparison between that situation and this is not very well thought out. I don't think anyone here has said that the suicide bombings are the proper way to deal with the Palestinian cause. But much as the kamikaze pilots in WWII, the Palestinians are a desparate people. They have no standing army, their ability to discharge the invading Israeli forces is limited. The rest of the civilized world needs to step in and condemn the acts of terror on both sides and try to get each to sit down with third party mediators to resolve the issues peacefully. This is going to end badly for both sides if it continues. It's senseless on both sides. Israel has the greatest degree of control here, and I believe they need to back off, and get out of the disputed areas entirely. As they should have by treaty several times in the last 35 years. -TR You made a statement that "any" man that deals with violence with violence is a fool. I was responding to that statement. You did not say any man in this given situation so your response is not well thought out is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockcreek Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 Originally posted by TimeRider Ah-h-h-h-h-h! I guess I missed that arguement earlier. Well that changes everything. So you admit that your army is an invading force? Your country is invading and area that belongs to someone else . . . you're not welcome, you're forcing your way in with military. Well I think you should quit that. -TR Why? Why not kill all the terrorists that seem to want to blow themselves up anyway. Send them to heaven before they can blow up an Israeli schoolbus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madrose Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 Originally posted by rockcreek Why should he? Sometimes violence must be answered with violence. So are you saying the leaders of the US, England, France etc were all fools in 1941? Violence generates Violence... That is a Rule Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YtseJam Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 So what exactly does it mean when civilians in Israel were bombed and Israel was asked NOT to retaliate and indeed didn't retaliate time and again? Does that rule still applies here? No... It doesn't... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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