orphic Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 Honestly...I could give a rat's ass what happens in '3rd World Countries'. Maybe eventually the 'bad' part of the communities within these regions will eventually die off, otherwise...The end is near. :sleeping: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockcreek Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 Originally posted by madrose Violence generates Violence... That is a Rule A rule or an opinion :-) And who's rule? Wars have been faught throughout the centuries and they always will be. When there is a winner the violence stops. Always has and always will. Your rule is not backed up by history... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madrose Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 Originally posted by nant So what exactly does it mean when civilians in Israel were bombed and Israel was asked NOT to retaliate and indeed didn't retaliate time and again? Does that rule still applies here? No... It doesn't... Who said so... because the media (Which is controlled by them) didn't show it, it didn't happened. They are always doing it hidden... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YtseJam Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 I am not even going to reply to that "3rd world country" claim. Jeez. A 3rd world country that develops and sells High-tech all around the world. Right. Mandrose, com'on... Media shmedia, both the U.S. and U.N. have asked from Israel to not retaliate on suicidle attacks and Israel agreed many, many times to this and still got in return more suicidle attacks... It has nothing to do with the media(which is not "controlled by them" as many thinks, give me proves). There could have been peace if not for those attacks. PEACE damnit! TWO countries living in godamn PEACE that is so needed here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madrose Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 Originally posted by orphic Honestly...I could give a rat's ass what happens in '3rd World Countries'. Maybe eventually the 'bad' part of the communities within these regions will eventually die off, otherwise...The end is near. :sleeping: You think your self as a better person than the 3'rd world men's.. Well think again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockcreek Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 Originally posted by madrose You think your self as a better person than the 3'rd world men's.. Well think again. Did he say he was better? No.. He said he just did not care... What is wrong with that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madrose Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 Originally posted by nant I am not even going to reply to that "3rd world country" claim. Jeez. A 3rd world country that develops and sells High-tech all around the world. Right. Mandrose, com'on... Media shmedia, both the U.S. and U.N. have asked from Israel to not retaliate on suicidle attacks and Israel agreed many, many times to this and still got in return more suicidle attacks... It has nothing to do with the media(which is not "controlled by them" as many things, give me proves). There could have been peace if not for those attacks. PEACE damnit! TWO countries living in godamn PEACE that is so needed here! What do you call this then: This is what the camera has caught and they couldn't hide. If you want I can post here hundreds of pictures similar to this, which never reach the media. and Isrelie did do the same in previous insedince nad after a long trial to that guy they said he was crazy when he open his machine gun on a group of Palastenian workers and kill lots of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YtseJam Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 Then if he doesn't care, shouldn't he just not-stick his nose in this? Really. And what is that "the end if near", huh? Boo hoo. The end is not near, there Will be peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madrose Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 Originally posted by rockcreek Did he say he was better? No.. He said he just did not care... What is wrong with that? The wrong thing is to name the ppl as a 3rd world people, but the correct is a 3rd world countries, as this expression was given to these countries because of their ecnomicaly situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YtseJam Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 madrose, if you would bother to read through all this thread, you'd see this series of photos was already discussed about and there is a BIG question about its validality(is there even such word? :)) so don't just put pictures please. And what does this go to do with what I wrote above? Do you want me to start pasting links to similar photos on my side? Com'on, this is not going to solve this issue and you know it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madrose Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 Originally posted by nant Then if he doesn't care, shouldn't he just not-stick his nose in this? Really. And what is that "the end if near", huh? Boo hoo. The end is not near, there Will be peace. You want peace.. We do want that also.. ppl who want that should remove Sharon from his place, and let someone resonable in his place... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YtseJam Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 Replace Arafat as well. :) (You know, there are hardcore evidance, now in the hand of the U.S., that links him(Arafat) to some of the terrorists groups, do you want such a leader? Do you honestly want such a leader? How will you achieve peace with him leading the way to it?) And yes, Sharon has done some bad, bad things, I admit it. Do you admit Arafat's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimeRider Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 You made a statement that "any" man that deals with violence with violence is a fool.I never said that. That was someone else.It has not been that long ago that Arafat turned down getting back over 90% of the pre 67 land back.... Why not give back 100% of it? I am one of them, when they came in 1948 and took our house and gave it to the settlers, and kik us out... gave our land to some gews and name it as their properties... Two years ago I would have called this man a liar. Today I believe every word of it. I think the Israeli's here have to understand that as long as you refuse to return 100% of what you have taken by force, in direct violation of UN resolution and contrary to the court of world opinion, support for your cause will continue to slip away. Honor the treaties you have signed. get rid of your reactionary leadership. Endorse and allow a UN Peacekeeping force in the disputed territories . . . Why is that by the way? Why does the Israeli government dislike the Idea of a UN peacekeeping force? From FOXnews.com In Geneva, U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan said the situation is so serious that an international force must be sent quickly to the Palestiian territories. Israel has rejected calls for any international force, a longtime Palestinian demand, but has said it would accept a small group American monitors. Why would you object to this? -TR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NTUsEr Veteran Posted April 12, 2002 Veteran Share Posted April 12, 2002 Religion = war Religion = bad Get rid of Religion and there will be peace in the world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockcreek Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 Originally posted by madrose This is what the camera has caught and they couldn't hide. If you want I can post here hundreds of pictures similar to this, which never reach the media. and Isrelie did do the same in previous insedince nad after a long trial to that guy they said he was crazy when he open his machine gun on a group of Palastenian workers and kill lots of them. But you know what? Which is more cruel, the pictures you posted (which by the way in no way prove that the dead guy is an innocent civilian) or a picture with dead innocents blown up at a religious dinner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NTUsEr Veteran Posted April 12, 2002 Veteran Share Posted April 12, 2002 ok see thats wrong its not right to kill anyone like that its wrong, its cruel and barbaric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madrose Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 Originally posted by rockcreek But you know what? Which is more cruel, the pictures you posted (which by the way in no way prove that the dead guy is an innocent civilian) or a picture with dead innocents blown up at a religious dinner? How about posting Pictures of a few month old kid without a head killed during the last action there.... Let me know if you want to see hundreds of such pictures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockcreek Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 Originally posted by TimeRider I never said that. That was someone else. Then if you are going to quote me at least quote what I was replying to other wise it is out of context. Originally posted by TimeRider Why not give back 100% of it? I guess the point is that even 90% would not keep these idiots from blowing themselves up. Originally posted by TimeRider Two years ago I would have called this man a liar. Today I believe every word of it. I think the Israeli's here have to understand that as long as you refuse to return 100% of what you have taken by force, in direct violation of UN resolution and contrary to the court of world opinion, support for your cause will continue to slip away. The Palestinians never had the land they want. The land was taken from Jordan, Syria and Egypt. They do not ask for the land back because they want the Palestinians to have it. They do not want them in their countries and have kicked them out before for the same violence we are talking about here. In addition the most militant of the Palestinian groups have already said even 100% will not be enough. They will continue to attack innocent Israelis until Israel does not exsist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madrose Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 Originally posted by nant Replace Arafat as well. :) (You know, there are hardcore evidance, now in the hand of the U.S., that links him(Arafat) to some of the terrorists groups, do you want such a leader? Do you honestly want such a leader? How will you achieve peace with him leading the way to it?) And yes, Sharon has done some bad, bad things, I admit it. Do you admit Arafat's? First: I don't admit Araft as a leader. Second Sharon did Soooooooooooooo many killing before, and even this thing happening there started because of him more than a year ago. This isuue is 54 years old now, and I don't think we will solve it by just talking about it, it need solid action. We are not killers, we are definding our right. Isreal doesn't want to accept any UN resolution, they don't want even to accept UN Force to come inside... Why to Kill and destroy without anybody watching... I would say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockcreek Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 Originally posted by madrose How about posting Pictures of a few month old kid without a head killed during the last action there.... Let me know if you want to see hundreds of such pictures. Sure go ahead, if you really think it proves anything LOL The Palestinians are a bunch of violent nut cases that have been blowing up Israelis since the 50s. They are getting what they give out. I do not feel sorry for them in the least. Post some pictures of the Israeli Olympic Athletes blown up by Arafat in Berlin... Once a terrorist always a terrorist. He says he wants to be a Marytr, I hope he gets his wish :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madrose Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 Originally posted by rockcreek The Palestinians never had the land they want. The land was taken from Jordan, Syria and Egypt. They do not ask for the land back because they want the Palestinians to have it. They do not want them in their countries and have kicked them out before for the same violence we are talking about here. Where the hell did you get this info from.. R U a historical expert... This is absolutly non sense, and has no groud or proof. This land is there since ages, and for your info there was nothing called Jordan nor Syria at that time. These countries was deplyed by the occupation of UK & French @ the beginning of last centery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NTUsEr Veteran Posted April 12, 2002 Veteran Share Posted April 12, 2002 hmmmmm lets think here, is Isreal a real country??? No If we give land back to everyone that wanted then the USA would be no more! all the Native Americans would get there land back. a country is take over by force not given away because someone is sorry for a group, isreal is not a country and should be give back to is RIGHTFUL owners Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madrose Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 Originally posted by rockcreek Sure go ahead, if you really think it proves anything LOL The Palestinians are a bunch of violent nut cases that have been blowing up Israelis since the 50s. They are getting what they give out. I do not feel sorry for them in the least. Post some pictures of the Israeli Olympic Athletes blown up by Arafat in Berlin... Once a terrorist always a terrorist. He says he wants to be a Marytr, I hope he gets his wish :-) How dare you You are really something... How many Isrealie was killed by such incedent... One mascare Sharon did cover the whole, since Sabra & Shatela mascare done by the murdere Sharon. They got only what they deserve and a reply for their action............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockcreek Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 Originally posted by madrose Where the hell did you get this info from.. R U a historical expert... This is absolutly non sense, and has no groud or proof. This land is there since ages, and for your info there was nothing called Jordan nor Syria at that time. These countries was deplyed by the occupation of UK & French @ the beginning of last centery. It is a fact. The Golan Heights were part of Syria, The west bank was Trans Jordan... Gaza? Egypt... Those are facts... The PLO was kicked out of Jordan when Jordan tired of their violence. They were kicked out of Lebanon by the Govt of Lebanon and Syria. They left by ship to Tunis... Read - Learn - become enlightened :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madrose Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 Originally posted by NTUsEr hmmmmm lets think here, is Isreal a real country??? No If we give land back to everyone that wanted then the USA would be no more! all the Native Americans would get there land back. a country is take over by force not given away because someone is sorry for a group, isreal is not a country and should be give back to is RIGHTFUL owners Well said... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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