rockcreek Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 Originally posted by madrose Where the hell did you get this info from.. R U a historical expert... This is absolutly non sense, and has no groud or proof. This land is there since ages, and for your info there was nothing called Jordan nor Syria at that time. These countries was deplyed by the occupation of UK & French @ the beginning of last centery. BTW we are talking about pre 1967 borders not something centuries ago remember :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NTUsEr Veteran Posted April 12, 2002 Veteran Share Posted April 12, 2002 AND, you must say thank you to the British and the USA for starting this dumb war! *CHEERS**CHEERS**CHEERS* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockcreek Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 Originally posted by NTUsEr hmmmmm lets think here, is Isreal a real country??? No If we give land back to everyone that wanted then the USA would be no more! all the Native Americans would get there land back. a country is take over by force not given away because someone is sorry for a group, isreal is not a country and should be give back to is RIGHTFUL owners Funny how people talk UN resolutions when it suits their point. The UN created Israel... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madrose Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 Originally posted by rockcreek It is a fact. The Golan Heights were part of Syria, The west bank was Trans Jordan... Gaza? Egypt... Those are facts... The PLO was kicked out of Jordan when Jordan tired of their violence. They were kicked out of Lebanon by the Govt of Lebanon and Syria. They left by ship to Tunis... Read - Learn - become enlightened :-) You are talking about a 50yrs history... I am telling you about a long history... and I have said earlier I don't admit Arafat as a leader.. Read - Learn - become enlightened :ditsy: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimeRider Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 I guess the point is that even 90% would not keep these idiots from blowing themselves up. I hope after your next surgery you have a 90% recovery . . . let's pray it's not a vasectomy eh? The land was theirs by UN resolution in 1948 . . . The same rights apply to the Palestinians as apply to the Israelies . . . haven't you been listening???? Oh . . . you're from Washington DC . . . never mind, that explains it. -TR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NTUsEr Veteran Posted April 12, 2002 Veteran Share Posted April 12, 2002 ah yes but Britian owned or occupited it and gave it up and then the british and usa pushed for its creatation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madrose Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 Originally posted by rockcreek Funny how people talk UN resolutions when it suits their point. The UN created Israel... Correction British LORD Belfore Created Isreal when he gave them the promise of the land, and actually Isreal (Hagana Mob's) was fighting both Isreal and UK immediatly after the but their feet in Palestine. Read - Learn - become enlightened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockcreek Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 Originally posted by NTUsEr AND, you must say thank you to the British and the USA for starting this dumb war! *CHEERS**CHEERS**CHEERS* That is another Palestinian trait, Always blame someone else for their problems.. God forbid they ever did anything wrong. Woe is me Woe is me (LOL) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockcreek Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 Originally posted by madrose Correction British LORD Belfore Created Isreal when he gave them the promise of the land, and actually Isreal (Hagana Mob's) was fighting both Isreal and UK immediatly after the but their feet in Palestine. Read - Learn - become enlightened A British Lord cannot create a country.. There was a UN resolution idiot... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madrose Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 Originally posted by rockcreek BTW we are talking about pre 1967 borders not something centuries ago remember :-) CORRECTION NOBODY FORGET HIS COUNTRY AND HOMELAND. Only Isrealies Do cuz they don't have a Land before Isreal, They were scatered all over the world. Read - Learn - become enlightened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YtseJam Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 Guys this is becoming a flamefest, I thought we managed to stop that some 20485 pages ago. :) (With my settings I got some 34 pages already, heh) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockcreek Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 Originally posted by NTUsEr ah yes but Britian owned or occupited it and gave it up and then the british and usa pushed for its creatation And the fact is by a majority the UN approved did it not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madrose Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 Originally posted by rockcreek A British Lord cannot create a country.. There was a UN resolution idiot... First: No need for the bad language unless you was raised on such thing... Second: A Lord can do so, if was in control of that country Read the history of 1947 and come back and talk to me... You want to have a copy of that Promise..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockcreek Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 Originally posted by madrose CORRECTION NOBODY FORGET HIS COUNTRY AND HOMELAND. Only Isrealies Do cuz they don't have a Land before Isreal, They were scatered all over the world. Read - Learn - become enlightened They hold the same historical - religious claims as the Arabs... I don't go with either.. The UN created the state of Israel. It is not going anywhere. I suggest that if the Palestinians has Ghandi instead of Arafat and used non violence like he did the Palestinans would have their own state right now. But god forbid we blame anything on Arafat :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooo Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 Ok, sorry this reply took me alot of time to write but I've been doing some research. ok first and most this is not to say Islam is a bad things but here goes: Islam has five basic rules The Testimony(sorry don't know how to write it) that means blessing god with some line in arabic many times a day. The Pray Praying five times a day with some rules... The giving Giving money to the people who need it Not to eat in the light of day while the Ramadan month. and going to Meka to the Akaba atleast once in ones life. now this is the punch line, later on after Muhamads attempt to add jews to the Islam the Jihad was added, Jihad means that whoever is not islamic should be turned to one or be killed, not all Islamics believe in it but thats one of the rules, the six one... as for Arabs being in favor of the alies in WWII NO WAY IN HELL ! for starters the Main Camf was translated to Arabic for them to study and a group called Al'Phtva was formed and meant to be an arabic version of the Hitler movment. it was mostly common in Iraq. another Ntzi arabic organization was the blue shirts which I was unable to find much information other then it was formed at the year 1936 - before the war. I would like to mention the Jew Birgada who fought in the war even before we had a country and was very succesful. Now, reasons why US wants us to get out, no it's not because they don't like the killings or anything of that type it's just that they want quite here while they attack Iraq, simple as that. why europe ? A) more Palastines in Europe then jews - political tactics... B) they don't want the bombing to get to their countries... When Israel got the Gaza strip it offered it to Egypt, the reply was no thank you. The Palastines are so poor that before we came the lived upto 40 now it's 75+ no jobs, they used to have in Israel upto the Intifada Palastines were killed in Jordan and Egypt in the thousends and way more then they are here (if at all) so PLEASE..... as for the pictures, rather true or not, if true well I can't say much other then being shock but it's surly not a reason to go back. I would like to remind you that the poor Palastines were giving out presents to kids and acting all happey when I recqall two planes crashed into two buildings and another in some other important place known as the Pentagon... hmmm some good guys.... yeah the Palastines are great in picturing themselvs as poor people, the fact is they are not it all depends on the happy or sad face they show you all in the camera. Yaser Arafat has billions in his bank account, his people have the total of half of it, you see it's not us who got them into that situation. They have some leadership which reminds me of the one in Argentina only less violent. Israel not lagit. hmmm UN had a vote, don't like the resault to bad, you can not take it back, we are a free country and as one we are free to defend ourselvs and hell if we find they way we do it now as the right one we have the right to use it. when Itzchak Rabin got killed you say peace died... hmm Peres whichc is way more extreme about peace didn't get to an agreement with Arafat and actually got in return some of the most deadly bomb attacks we ever had... You say Palastine has no way to defend itself against our army, what do you call Karin A ? yes we are stronger but they are not weak, you are fooled by an act. Now last but not least, While reading the above posts I came into a few things that cought my attention. Be humans and not Jews ?! Why there and not somewhere else ?! why should only jews have a country ? ok this is my reply. Look at the history, Spain, Russia, Germany, Turky, Iran, Arabia Saudia, Austria, Poland. all the countries above have history of killing jews persecuting them and many other Anti Sametic acts against them. Today, Tunis, France, Belgem (however you write that) show us again why this is the only place where us jews are actually protected by jews. Europe have showed us time and time again that as for the jew question it can not be trusted. can any of you actually say WWII can not happen again ? that the raids in russia can't happen again, the Banish in spain, the arrests in Iraq, Iran, Suria etc. none of you can. so why here? because thats the only place we can actually be on our own and don't need to count on others to save us. none of the above countries came to help the jews till the germens attacked Poland and combined with Austria, NONE OF YOU, by then jews were already killed in Germany and denayed of any right, so SORRY but History has always predicted what will happen so far when it came to you guys you havn't prooven anything and didn't really act any better then what you presume we do and actually acted worse.... (sorry for the English but it's my thired language.... and it's getting late... :) ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimeRider Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 Actually rock . . . if you read the history you will see that it was British duplicity that caused this whole mess to begin with. Now . . . I love my Country . . . and one of the things I love the most about it, is my right to say that my Country's Middle East Policy over the last 50 years has been ill conceived and short sighted. We should have seen this coming. The British absolved their Mandate because they had created a situation that was untenable by artificially tampering with the ethnic and religious balance in a region where such a balance is caste and stratified. Look at it like the Prime Directive on Star Trek . . . we violated General Order 1 and interfered with the normal social development of a region. We introduced weapons and technology that was beyond the abilities of the indigenous peoples of the time. It was a recipe for disaster. The British and the US are largely to blame for the situation there. I'm still waiting to hear why Israel would deny a UN peacekeeping force . . . -TR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockcreek Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 Originally posted by madrose First: No need for the bad language unless you was raised on such thing... Second: A Lord can do so, if was in control of that country Read the history of 1947 and come back and talk to me... You want to have a copy of that Promise..... Idiot is not a bad word in the English language it is a descriptive word used to desribe someone who has no common sense :-) Are you saying that the UN did not ratify the state of Israel by a majority vote? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest daniel Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 Originally posted by madrose CORRECTION NOBODY FORGET HIS COUNTRY AND HOMELAND. Only Isrealies Do cuz they don't have a Land before Isreal, They were scatered all over the world. Read - Learn - become enlightened Oh really... Did you forget the bible? It think it was more than 5,000 years ago! Do you think Palestinian people were even alive? Read - Learn - become enlightened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockcreek Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 Originally posted by TimeRider I'm still waiting to hear why Israel would deny a UN peacekeeping force . . . -TR [/b] I agree with much that you have said... As to why they would deny a peace keeping force I think I read that they do not want a peace keeping force in Israel. In the the West Bank and Gaza I do not think they object but I could be wrong... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madrose Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 Originally posted by ooo Ok, sorry this reply took me alot of time to write but I've been doing some research. ok first and most this is not to say Islam is a bad things but here goes: Islam has five basic rules The Testimony(sorry don't know how to write it) that means blessing god with some line in arabic many times a day. The Pray Praying five times a day with some rules... The giving Giving money to the people who need it Not to eat in the light of day while the Ramadan month. and going to Meka to the Akaba atleast once in ones life. now this is the punch line, later on after Muhamads attempt to add jews to the Islam the Jihad was added, Jihad means that whoever is not islamic should be turned to one or be killed, not all Islamics believe in it but thats one of the rules, the six one... I believe you was using a Jews source, as what you are saying is totaly wrong about Jihad. You should go and read more and try to find a different source for your research. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madrose Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 Originally posted by rockcreek I agree with much that you have said... As to why they would deny a peace keeping force I think I read that they do not want a peace keeping force in Israel. In the the West Bank and Gaza I do not think they object but I could be wrong... Yes you are wrong, cuz the peace Force was asked for the West Bank and Gaza, and not for Isreal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest daniel Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 Originally posted by madrose I believe you was using a Jews source Now we see your true face , you hate Jews! You are anti - simatic , you are a Nazi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooo Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 I wanted to paste it all but can't so go here... http://home.swipnet.se/islam/articles/jehad.htm not an Israeli source... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madrose Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 Originally posted by rockcreek Idiot is not a bad word in the English language it is a descriptive word used to desribe someone who has no common sense :-) Are you saying that the UN did not ratify the state of Israel by a majority vote? Ok Idiot. I am not saying that the UN did not ratify the state of Israel by a majority vote. What I am saying is that the LORD gave the promise first, and the Hagana started the conflict their even aginst the British, and then the UN Resolution came... Read - Learn - become enlightened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YtseJam Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 Daniel, what are you talking about?? madrose... Please ignore his last claim, thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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