Your thoughts of the Israel-Palestine Conflict


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I would not suggest a peace keeping force in Israel . . . only the areas the the UN approved as a Palestinian State, in the same stroke that created a Jewish State . . . or at the very least, within the boudries of the June 4, 1967 agreements . . . that Israel agreed to evacuate.

I say evacuate now, and let a Multi National force come in and do the following:

1) Deal with any terrorist threat, camp, training facility or action.

2) Set up a interim Government designed to create a stable infrastructure for a Palestinian State.

3) Initiate and oversee the repatriation of any Palestinian who has a desire to be a part of a peaceful Palestinian State.

4) To oversee and insure the safe return of any Israeli citizen who currently resides in what is Palestinian territory as described above, to the State of Israel.

5) A the behest of a council appointed by the UN, return to the rightfully elected leaders, control of the Palestinian Government at such a time as the State has the greatest probability of success.

6) To provide military support and defence until such time as a standing Palestinian Army has been trained and equipped to a degree that the safety and security of the Palestinian State can be protected.

That seems very reasonable . . . yes?

-TR

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ohh and another thing.

unlike teh Palastine non Democrate world

Israel is and so is our education

therefore we learn Palastine writings

we learn Arabic

read books about peace

oh yeah and wel learn unbiased fats

though I must say I can't say people here are not biased because there is no such thing our sources are not because some are even written by Arabs...

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Originally posted by madrose

Yes you are wrong, cuz the peace Force was asked for the West Bank and Gaza, and not for Isreal.

See I believe the Palestinians should get all of the pre 67 land... That said I also believe they will not be satisfied with that and will still attack Israel as the Hamas leaders have said. I also believe they will remain in poverty and continue to blame everyone but themselves.

It is part of the culture.. That is why the rest of the Arab countries are pushing to send all the refugees back.. They don't want them in their countries...

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Timerider,

HA! how incredibly mature!

You?ve finally ran out of arguments, so you've chosen to totally worp and misquote my entire post and take it out of context to suit your needs?!

Congratulations!! You?ve now stepped in to the new shining frontier of the well known for its pedant integrity-Palestinian press and propaganda!

Why haven?t you responded to what I said about the ?Hebron massacre??

Or about the Camp David negotiation/agreement?

Anshlus is indeed referred to Germany's forceful infiltration in Austria and after that, the seemingly agreed upon, consensual joining of it to Germany.

And how exactly does that apply to what Israel did?

Anshlus was done without any military invasion. Hitler posted his prime SS officer inside Austria, who then influenced the entire inner political situation and took down the president, as I recall.

How is that similar to what happened here?

The territories Israel took, were occupied during a WAR, as I?ve said and explained, and you conveniently chose to disregard.

And YES it is incredibly offensive heartless, vulgar and brutal to disregard the daily losses of our friends and soldiers.

We suffer precious losses every day, so that a heartless ******* such as yourself can afford the arrogant complacency of such heartless indifference!!!

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Originally posted by ooo

I wanted to paste it all but can't so go here...

http://home.swipnet.se/islam/articles/jehad.htm

not an Israeli source...

How did you know who is the writer and what is his blieve.

Read something that the Muslims are teaching to Muslims so you will know what the realy principles are. Don't take a non Muslim source to Judge Islam.

http://www.viewislam.com/

http://www.islam-guide.com/

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hmm

written By

Sayyid Mujtaba Musavi Lari

last I checked Arab names...

also doen'st matter if some say Jihad means something and other think it's something else. as long as some people think of it as the Holy War then it's wrong...

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Originally posted by nant

Daniel, doesn't make him a Nazi, there's a difference between anti-semistic claims and being a Nazi... Don't mis-use it...

Besder?

Why Hebrow...

say what you want in English so everyone will understand..

We do understand Hebrow

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Originally posted by TimeRider

I would not suggest a peace keeping force in Israel . . . only the areas the the UN approved as a Palestinian State, in the same stroke that created a Jewish State . . . or at the very least, within the boudries of the June 4, 1967 agreements . . . that Israel agreed to evacuate.

I say evacuate now, and let a Multi National force come in and do the following:

1) Deal with any terrorist threat, camp, training facility or action.

2) Set up a interim Government designed to create a stable infrastructure for a Palestinian State.

3) Initiate and oversee the repatriation of any Palestinian who has a desire to be a part of a peaceful Palestinian State.

4) To oversee and insure the safe return of any Israeli citizen who currently resides in what is Palestinian territory as described above, to the State of Israel.

5) A the behest of a council appointed by the UN, return to the rightfully elected leaders, control of the Palestinian Government at such a time as the State has the greatest probability of success.

6) To provide military support and defence until such time as a standing Palestinian Army has been trained and equipped to a degree that the safety and security of the Palestinian State can be protected.

That seems very reasonable . . . yes?

-TR

For the most part yes...

Who will protect Israel against suicide bombings from Hamas since they say 67 borders are not enough?

Who will pay for all of this?

Who will provide the food, building supplies, jobs etc...

Will they Palestinians still want to work in Israel or will Israel want to seal her borders?

If the UN troops cannot stop the suicide bombers can Israel ask for Palestine to pay for the damages and sue in civil courts for relief?

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amm Anti Sametics are the idiots who talk

Natzi's are the ones who act and believe in the National Social party in Germany before WWII

between people who talk and people who act I see much difference..

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Originally posted by ooo

amm Anti Sametics are the idiots who talk

Natzi's are the ones who act and believe in the National Social party in Germany before WWII

between people who talk and people who act I see much difference..

It is enough to call the ppl who doesn't agree on what you are saying Idiot to One.

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Originally posted by madrose

Ok Idiot.

I am not saying that the UN did not ratify the state of Israel by a majority vote. What I am saying is that the LORD gave the promise first, and the Hagana started the conflict their even aginst the British, and then the UN Resolution came...

Read - Learn - become enlightened

So...

The State Of Israel was formaly recognised by the world when it was approved by the UN.

Well except by the Arabs of course :-)

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I did not call anyone here an Anti Sametic or an Idiot

I just saied whoever is anti sametic is an idiot

and an Anti Sametic is not whoever disagrees with me

do not put words in my mouth I didn't say !

I actually like people disagreeing with me, I learn things from people I do not agree with.

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Timerider,

It?s a wonderful plan.

I agree with it.

however the UN peace forces, haven?t been able to succeed in any of those goals ,anywhere where they were posted.

On the contrary, the Un forces posted in Southern Lebanon, had the chance to prevent some terrorist attacks inside Israeli territory and instead they filmed it, without doing anything.

Aside which, they don?t have the mandate to put up a government inside Palestine.

I think, aside the many smart and stupid things, Israel did during this recent operation. One of its goals, was to sturr a riot, cause some unbalance (that?s why the ?isolation of Arafat?) hoping during this time, some new leader might rise?alas..

Another possible solution would be a one sided width drawl, building a massive fence, declaring new borders, and leaving the Palestinians to do as they please in their territory. The problem is I doubt the Palestinians will respect or accept those borders even if we retreat back to those of 67-as agreed.

And Israel isn?t interested in sitting wits its finger on the trigger , forever.

Another would be to accept the Saudi offer.

However that seems more like diplomatic rouse, to make nicey awith the Americans, and frankly, I don?t trust it. And we?d be left with no strategic advantage against a possible attack after that.

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Why haven?t you responded to what I said about the ?Hebron massacre??
What about it? That simply proves my point that until 1917, this was a relatively peaceful region. It wasn't until the Mandatory began immigrating Jews in disproportionate numbers that these problems arose.
Or about the Camp David negotiation/agreement?

Are the Israeli's still in compliance with those agreements?

And how exactly does that apply to what Israel did?
It doesn't, I was being kind. The Nazi's annexed Austria in a bloodless coup . . . your spoils of war scenario paints a much more colorful canvas eh? I wouldn't brag too much about that part of it . . . Anschluss would have been a far better solution for your government than the barrel of a gun.
We suffer precious losses every day, so that a heartless ******* such as yourself can afford the arrogant complacency of such heartless indifference!!!

I am many things but not indifferent. In case it hasn't dawned on you . . . it is only a matter of time before your petty dispute over the dirt over there spills over and impacts millions of people elsewhere. You all want to kill each other . . . I say Grand! Go for it. Unfortunately your egocentric little ****ing contest will impact my country and my people. It will impact a European Community that is young and vigorous. It will impact an island of peaceful Japanese that we call friends. It will disturb the stability of a world that I truely believe is on the cusp of realizing that Nationalism is secondary to our status as World citizens. It will hurt everyone and everything on the planet if it blows up into a real conflict.

That is unacceptable.

Resolve your dispute.

-TR

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a minute ago it was all about how unhuman our methods are and then:

I am many things but not indifferent. In case it hasn't dawned on you . . . it is only a matter of time before your petty dispute over the dirt over there spills over and impacts millions of people elsewhere. You all want to kill each other . . . I say Grand! Go for it. Unfortunately your egocentric little ****ing contest will impact my country and my people. It will impact a European Community that is young and vigorous. It will impact an island of peaceful Japanese that we call friends. It will disturb the stability of a world that I truely believe is on the cusp of realizing that Nationalism is secondary to our status as World citizens. It will hurt everyone and everything on the planet if it blows up into a real conflict.

That is unacceptable.

Resolve your dispute.

-TR

and the face of europe shows...

it's not the care for others but the care of self only.

well sorry maybe for now your desputes are quite and ours are noisy, we live in a one world and when two people have a fight it might get to you just as when US had a fight with Iraq we were the ones getting the bombs... hmm yet we were on US's side...

how about being on the good side and not always on the side that benifits you the most ?

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Actually I don't consider myself to be on either side of this issue. I simply feel that there is a real ignorance on the part of many, to see that the Palestinians have some real legitimate beefs.

I have absolutely no problem with the defence of Israel. But right now Israel is in name and fact . . . an occupying power. I don't believe that is right.

I also don't believe that the State of Israel should be there at all, but since that is a fait acompli, the Arabs are just going to have to live with it. That bullet cannot be shoved back into the gun . . . so to speak.

I don't just care for my own best interests . . . and how you can see this conflict as being in your best interests is beyond my ability to fathom.

There is a difference between the American actions in Afghanistan and yours. In Afghanistan we toppled a government that supported and promoted terrorism . . . and on the heels of that allowed for the creation of a government made up of the citizens of Afghanistan. We will finish our business and then leave. As we have done in every case over the last 100 years, except Korea. But I don't believe the Koreans mind, and they have thier own government.

You folks aren't doing that. You're an occupying force. Like it or not . . . so were the Nazi's.

-TR

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A) the leadership of Palastine is a terror org, Phatach. Hamas, Jihad - all terror org's

B) yes we will we have no use of the Palastine lands as long as there is no war. no war and lands go back, while there is war we keep it for our protection.

C)ohh yeah I forgat Afganistan couldn't protect itself unlike Palastines who can actualy harm us....

hmmm Israel shouldn't have been created... advice me then what shouold have happend, should the jews sit in europe and wait from some leftovers of the Natzis to kill us, maybe wait for the Soviets to blaim us for their fall, how about Iran killing all the jews because of not being Islamic... yeah thats way better then having Israel which has been given to us by majority and many young people have died for it on our side....

unlike the other side which had the chance but didn't want it...

yeah call us the Natzis I'm sure that felt good to take it off your mind...

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TimeRider,

If we would agree the circumstances under which Israel was founded resemble an Anschluss, you would've hurled some other argument, about how it was an ugly occupation and agression, so it wasnt better for our government to take such a step. We took those territories during the '67 war, fair and square. They were kept as a strategic advantage and a barganing card for future nagotiations. Whether we should've settled them and kept them for so long is another deal all together on which the majority of Israeli people do not agree upon.

And... Heh, America wasn't an occupying force in Vietnam or Cuba? Or not to mention the entire continent which is now the U.S., after you irradicated and elliminated a whole enthisity - the Indians? And dont tell me you've corrected those wrongs, or they were long before. We are trying to correct ours.

I dont think its fair we'd be forced to do so as we are being constantly bombed and killed.

Israel Is still willing to accept/offer the terms of the Camp-David agreement, but ONLY and ONLY, if are ensured absolute peace.

If you find a way... A solution to ensure us we will not fall victims to terrorist attacks anymore and convince the Palestinian side, please... Offer something!

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hmmm Israel shouldn't have been created
That's not what I said . . . I said Israel shouldn't be there at all. I believe that it should be elsewhere.
America wasn't an occupying force in Vietnam or Cuba? Or not to mention the entire continent which is now the U.S., after you irradicated and elliminated a whole enthisity - the Indians? And dont tell me you've corrected those wrongs, or they were long before.

Actually no . . . we never occupied Vietnam. The French did. We were just stupid enough to step into the middle of a war that couldn't be won.

Cuba? The Cubans enjoy self rule and have for over 50 years. The American Naval Base is there because we have a lease.

Actually I am among those many Americans who can plead innocent to such charges as Slavery and Genocide. My ancestors were dirt farmers and didn't get here until the very late 1800's. No person in my family ever killed a Native American or owned a slave.

As far as the US Government correcting those wrongs . . . have you ever been to a Casino? I think the Native Americans are doing pretty good right now.

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-TR

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