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America did occupy Vietnam, went thousands of kilometers to a foreign land in which it had no business aside some phantom communistic threat, and committed horrific war crimes there. Throwing napalm bombs and torching entire villages with children and women.

And don?t tell me the communist threat was a real one.

You raised an entire McCarthy regimn politically imprisoning your own citizens in that frenzy

We are actually being bombed!

Our threat is real!!

You also imprisoned your own citizens of Japanese origin in concentration camps during WWII

And what makes you think, because your ancestors hadn?t yet immigrated to the US, they, or you- aren?t guilty of your country's collective memory, mistakes crimes?

I haven?t been born in Israel either.

I was born in Bulgaria. And my grandfather was killed in a concentration camp during the holocaust. And my father was persecuted for being a Jew and a Zionist(according to the communistic dictatorship) through out his life, until we were able to come back here. and i am glad and lucky to have Israel as my shelter from all of the above. I still take responsibility for its actions now, and those in times and wars when my family wasnt here.

Regardless of whether you think Israel shouldn?t be here, or should be some place else, you are right. It is here and you can?t turn things back.

Aside, even if you hypothetically could, how exactly would you do that, practically?

Transfer? Like the radical right winged Israelis are offering to solve the Palestinian conflict?

And where?

Uganda?

There are people in Uganda also. Wouldn?t we be aggressors, illegally immigrating, concurring, there as well?

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I don't deny any of what you say . . . my country had no business in Vietnam. But we aren't there any more are we?

While not the most effecacious solution, the internment of Japanese citizens probably saved many lives that would have been lost. My coutry has a sordid, bloody history and racial persecution is a cross we have to bear. But at least the Japanese citizens were not hung . . . and a great many of our less enlightened citizens from a less enlightened time would have done just that.

You see . . . I don't deny what you say. You can recount the sordid history of the United States for 200 years and I'll probably admit most of it is true. Can you make the same claim?

Or is it a case of "My Country Right or Wrong?"

To suggest that I am guilty of the crimes of my fathers is ludicrous. If that were so, all descendants of Cain would be guilty! But that is not the case . . . and that is exactly why I say that Israel is a fact of life and the Arabs will have to get used to it.

But that's not the issue here. My Country has changed a great deal and is changing slowly still. We are evolving, it isn't an instantaneous process by any means. But I'm not fighting nearly as many of my father's battles as I used to. More and more of our people see the error of our ways and move to change the methods by which we effect change.

Does America have problems . . . AB-SO-Lutely.

But name for me the area of the world that we currently occupy, against the will of the indigenous peoples, as a spoil of war.

If you are as uncompromising as your fathers, your situation will never change and the world will continue to be an uncompromising place.

Grow . . . stop being an Israeli for a second and just be a person.

-TR

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Both sides are at fault in this crisis in the Middle East. Neither side is truly working toward peace, as the Palestinians continue the waves of suicide bombings, and Israel continues the incursion into the autonomous & occupied territories. The vicious cycle of violence continues every day: Palestinians kill Israeli civilians, Israel retaliates, etc, etc. I believe that the Palestinian suicide bombers are unjustified in their means of achieving their goals, as is the Israeli Army. Each side seems to believe that stepping up the violence and striking terror into each other?s peoples will somehow bring them closer to either stopping terrorism or establishing a Palestinian state.

Yasser Arafat has either none or very little control over Hamas and Islamic Jihad, and even if he wanted to stop them he would be unable to because his is being imprisoned in his office. But, Arafat has not condemned the suicide bombings nor terror, and has even said ?let the martyrs flow into Palestine? after the recent increase in Israeli Military Activities. Neither side is right in what they are doing, but the Israeli Defense Forces? blatant violation of international humanitarian law is absolutely unacceptable.

Firing at Red Crescent Vehicles, cutting off supplies, electricity, and water, and preventing medical personnel from reaching victims include what atrocities the IDF are committing. In one specific example, the IDF placed an explosiunlockedcked door to gain entry to a Palestinian household, and critically injured a woman inside. They delayed Red Crescent workers access to the area, and thus the woman bled to death. To me, it is unclear who is responsible for giving these orders, whether they are military commanders or politicians, but they share part of the blame for provoking the Palestinians and violating the human rights of Palestinian civilians.

Furthermore, the Palestinians are no more right in attacking innocent Israeli?s, but what can you expect when they are displaced into refugee camps, being brainwashed in schools run by Hamas, and in the end have no hope for the future? Far more Palestinians have been killed since the Intifada began than Israeli?s, and it is to my belief that it is the fault of Ariel Sharon?s right-wing ideology. I would consider Sharon a War Criminal not because of what had happened in Beirut, but what is occurring today in the occupied territories. Israel has a right to defend itself, but there are limits.

If this tragedy is to lead to peace, the Militant Islamic organizations must be stopped, and the IDF must withdraw from the Palestinian-controlled areas. People must be taught not to hate, an education system must be in place in both sides condemning the hatred between the Arabs and the Israelis, teaching that all forms of discrimination and hate are wrong, and that an entire group of people cannot be blamed for the actions of a minority.

In summary:

- The organizations of Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and the al-Aqsa Brigades should be utterly crushed, and the members of those organizations placed on trial.

- An international force, such as the one suggested by Secretary-General of the UN Kofi Annan, should be deployed in Israel and the Autonomous/Occupied Territories.

- International Observers should be sent in to monitor the situation.

- An inquiry must be made into the actions of the IDF, and punishment, if required, takes place. Both Sharon and Arafat must share the blame for the atrocities committed there.

- The complete withdrawal of the IDF from the Autonomous and Occupied Territories.

- Both sides be forced to the Bargaining table, as well as the full recognition of Israel as a state by all Arab/Islamic Nations.

Notes:

The link to the pictures previously posted can be found on the

BBC website, somewhat increasing the possibility of they authenticity.

More information about Israel?s activities in the Autonomous Areas can be found on the Amnesty International Website.

Peace will only be possible if both sides truly support it and work towards that goal.

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Originally posted by digital.death

Notes:

The link to the pictures previously posted can be found on the

BBC website, somewhat increasing the possibility of they authenticity.

I have done some research into the photos posted earlier of the assasination, and it seems that the pictures are authentic and from a real event. The pictures depict the assasination of Mahmud Salah. Here is another URL from one of the first news organizations to publicize the event.

http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/02/03/as_safir110302.html

if you want more info on the event, simply go to google and enter his name in the search. there is a lot of information about the subject.

btw digital.death, for what it's worth, i agree with your post completely. I have refrained from getting into this discussion that much, cause i got in one on this very topic on the neowin boards a few weeks ago and didn't feel like it would do my blood pressure much good to get in another such discussion here since the doc says i got to watch that sort of thing now, but what you say makes good sense. hopefully this is what will happen, but i have my doubts.

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Timerider,

You know, I keep responding to your posts alone, because, for once I?ve decided to totally ignore the quite large sum of other people here, who?ve written disgusting anti-Semitic things which, remind me of primitive third rich propaganda, and refer to me or Israel as murders. Aside which, you?ve said some pretty infuriating things.

And please, don?t ask me to not be an Israeli and be a person.

I am both. And I am here at this forum, because I am an Israeli and because I see our side in this conflict poorly represented and mis-presented.

In one of your posts, you stated you really take no sides, but you do think that Palestinians have a point in this conflict. I don?t think any of the pro-Israelis who?ve posted here, have denied that fact.

And, how mighty convenient and objective of you to voice it, with such bloated confidence, in a forum which is so clearly pro-Palestinian, and in which the Israeli side is almost unheard(aside me, nant my friend danshome, and a 2 3 more people, who rarely voice).

If there?s anyone here who isn?t a person, its you!

I still cant get over the cold hearted slide of hand, and cynicism with which you set aside, 6 people, who blew up to peaces yesterday and 86, who were wounded. And another 360 dead, who left grieving mothers, torn apart families, orphans, or entire families which have been whipped out.

Israel isn?t hanging anyone, let along Palestinians!!!

If anything, I can refer you a horrific, monstrous incident, in which two Israeli soldiers got lost around the border and mistakenly went inside the autonomy.

Minutes after, their car was surrounded by a raging mob, who dragged them no where else, but to the local Palestinian headquarters(which is supposed to ensure their safety under Oslo agreement, or just due to a simple moral human obligation), for them to be tortured, crying screaming from inside the building. They were killed and their bodies were thrown down to on the street, to the angry blood thirsty mob who watched everything, and they abused and mutilated their dead bodies and dragged them around the square. And all those impartial reporters watched that horrific lynch and filmed, doing nothing.

?While not the most effecacious solution, the internment of Japanese citizens probably saved many lives that would have been lost.?

I can take this sentence and use its entirety, regarding the Palestinian/Israeli conflict.

And what you did was imprison your own citizens. If we were to imprison Israeli-Arabs, I wouldn?t like to imagine what you?d call us then!

Israel certainly derives no pleasure from occupying and invading parts of the territories again. It suffers losses in complicated conditions of combat. I am absolutely sure, the recent operation has saved many lives who might have been lost(despite the fact there were terrorist attacks during), and a great part of the terrorist infrastructure was destroyed.

I don?t deny the Palestinian losses either, yes- of civilian lives(I?ve said that more then once). Or their right to a country.

I will never ever justify their filthy war of outrageous anti-Israeli/Jewish propaganda of hate, or their undeniable unstoppable resort to violence and terror.

I?m sorry I take this too personally, or tend to be emotional. But for all I know, I could blow up tomorrow as well.

And I guess you can never really be a person, or at least slightly sympathetic to human suffering-not one sided human suffering- unless some of your close friends blow up as well. Die here and there, just like that? or stare at this raging crowd, equipped with stones and Molotov bottles, in who?s eyes all you see is pure hate, and an uncontrollable urge to destroy you.

I am not asking you to say we are right here, that our soldiers are angels, that we are going around throwing flowers and confetti at the Palestinians from our tanks.

Just to minimally agree our side, has some merits, at least some!!

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Ok, sorry this reply took me alot of time to write but I've been doing some research.

ok first and most this is not to say Islam is a bad things but here goes:

Islam has five basic rules

The Testimony(sorry don't know how to write it)

that means blessing god with some line in arabic many times a day.

The Pray

Praying five times a day with some rules...

The giving

Giving money to the people who need it

Not to eat in the light of day while the Ramadan month.

and going to Meka to the Akaba atleast once in ones life.

now this is the punch line, later on after Muhamads attempt to add jews to the Islam the Jihad was added, Jihad means that whoever is not islamic should be turned to one or be killed, not all Islamics believe in it but thats one of the rules, the six one...

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The Term Jehad has been Misinterpreted--

Jehad or Holy war is called upon when

1. Islam is in danger

2. You have been invaded

3. You have been suppressed and lost your rights ( like praying, performing religious duties and basic human rights)

4. You are tortured.

5. Spread the word of Prophet Mohammed (pbuh) to a muslim person who is doing wrong and that which has been prohibited in Islam and bring him back to Islamic way of life.

I jehad had meant killing all non-muslims, would non-muslims have been in Saudi Arabia which employs Islamic laws very strictly.

Islam is really peace loving, you would have seen the phrase "pbuh" , It means "Peace be upon Him". And this phrase is mentioned a lot in Holy Koran.

Peace be upon us all

PS: I had seen a list of websites being run by non-muslims and damaging Islam ( I will post them as soon as i get them )

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mhmehkri,

I appericiate your honesty and objectivity and I don't know who has said Islam was a religion preaching to hate.

The Israeli/Palestinian conflict isn't a religious one, it is mostly the fanatic religious terrorist organizations and Arafat, who are trying to use what's written in order to justify or convince people to turn to violence.

I wish peace and prosperity to you, any other Arabs, Palestinians or any one at all who isn't trying to kill me.

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Originally posted by nant

mhmehkri,

I appericiate your honesty and objectivity and I don't know who has said Islam was a religion preaching to hate.

The Israeli/Palestinian conflict isn't a religious one, it is mostly the fanatic religious terrorist organizations and Arafat, who are trying to use what's written in order to justify or convince people to turn to violence.

I wish peace and prosperity to you, any other Arabs, Palestinians or any one at all who isn't trying to kill me.

This conflicat started bascialy cuz of relegion, if you will look at the time this conflict started, becuse Isreali ppl believe that this land is the promised Land.

due to this reason, Or based on this reason Jews are actually fighting a holy war.

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Okay, You could just post a [damn] URL to the photos instead of overloading the server. Now, what are you trying to proove with these photos? The we're bad people? That we're killers? I can do exactly the same about your side, show you photos of bodies scattered all over that streets, bodies without heads, etc. What does that makes you? Exactly the same. You accomplished nothing with your flood of images.

Yes, those photos show something very bad that shouldn't have happened, but you know what? IT DID HAPPEN, and if you don't want things like that to ever happen again(something that I wish for as well) then it's time to move on. Showing photos does not change anything nor moves this discussion. If any, you're just stoping it.

Oh yeah, and it's pretty obvious why you don't see photos like thse on NATIONAL T.V., people will sue the Hell out of you, T.V. news are not horror movies.

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Originally posted by nant

Okay, You could just post a [damn] URL to the photos instead of overloading the server. Now, what are you trying to proove with these photos? The we're bad people? That we're killers? I can do exactly the same about your side, show you photos of bodies scattered all over that streets, bodies without heads, etc. What does that makes you? Exactly the same. You accomplished nothing with your flood of images.

Yes, those photos show something very bad that shouldn't have happened, but you know what? IT DID HAPPEN, and if you don't want things like that to ever happen again(something that I wish for as well) then it's time to move on. Showing photos does not change anything nor moves this discussion. If any, you're just stoping it.

Oh yeah, and it's pretty obvious why you don't see photos like thse on NATIONAL T.V., people will sue the Hell out of you, T.V. news are not horror movies.

What ever number of pics you can post I can post 100000 times more. You didn't lose as much as we lost. every house in Palestine lost one dear person there.

This is to make a point that Sharon is a War criminal and should be treated as. You and others who want peace should move from their seats and do something.

You need to act to make it stop.

Move your ppl and stop it.

Why there was almost nothing from the ppl of plaestine before Sharon visit to the Aqsa.

Can you tell me why he has the right to defend Israeli and Palestinians don't.

The same as you have a family to worry about we all do.

Do tell me that we are anti-Semitic and you are angels.

Stop what your goverment is doing to live in peace.

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You can stop with the photos, they won't change anything *now*.

And don't be a little child, don't play number games with me -- That is hardly the point and you know it...

None ever said the Palestinians doesn't have a right to defend themselfs, but at the same time the world condems the way you do so and OUR way. Yes, both of the sides.

When did I say you're an anti-semistic person? If any, a few pages ago I defended you from such a thing... And we are no angles. None is.

I agree with you? Okay, this is not the way to get the peace we both want. But right now, in this forum, posting these photos won't move this discussion anywhere.

This thread has straied(sp?) off-topic completely...

It was nice while it lasted. Salut.

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Originally posted by nant

Okay, this is not the way to get the peace we both want. But right now, in this forum, posting these photos won't move this discussion anywhere.

I agree, we get the idea but lets just keep to the topic in hand please.

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The pics need to come off. Bitch and complain all you want but within limits of the rules. If nude pictures arn't alowed then pictures of shot babies shouldn't either. I would rather a kid see a nude woman or man before pictures like that!

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At the end of the day id just drop a neutron bomb on them.

Advantages: -

It would destroy everything organic.

We would get a bit more peace in this world

We would get free munitions and equipment like tanks and guns and stuff cause it wouldnt even leave a burn mark on them. Except for the small blast radius

Disadvantages: -

We wouldnt be able to touch the stuff for a number of years as the radiation levels would be massive.

There would be no more ppl to call Jalabads

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And what you did was imprison your own citizens.
This is part of the problem I have with many of your arguements . . . you see I wasn't even born when this happened. In fact I thought it was a bad thing until I talked with my father about it one day . . . he said "Those people would have got the s**t kicked out of them." That's how mad Americans were at the Japanese in Dec. 1941. After that, I still thought there was a better solution, but I also saw a left handed logic behind the action that ultimately protected the Japanese from the Anglo population.

That was then . . . this is now.

I guess maybe as an American, I find it easier to dimiss the historic value of the land since I "came" from somewhere else. My family came from Germany . . . I've never been there and I have no idea where in Germany they came from. It is very difficult for me to understand how you can place so much value on a particular piece of dirt, that you'd sell your soul to stay there.

Your religion as I understand it, is steeped in the Old Testament of the Bible. Which to me means that killing should be reprehensible to you . . . yet someone over there chooses to jusify it in the name of Israel.

My religion tells me that the true Temple of God is in the heart of man . . . not the dirt of Israel. I can live with that. While I find the fact that my beliefs say Jesus was born over there somewhere, going there does not bring me closer to God, does not afford me any priveledges in the afterlife or absolve me of any sin. It's irrelevant, merely a historical fact. I do not believe that the ground is holy . . . I do not believe that it bears any special powers. I have a hard time understanding how any man can deny the spiritual Temple in his heart by killing in the name of his God over some dirt.

You continually wish to hold me accountable for the sins of my father and his father before him. Your words are lost on me since I accept and admit no responsibility for them. I am me . . . I am responsible for me and my actions . . . no one else. What happened 50 years ago, while certainly interesting and perhaps even reprehensible, has nothing to do with me, who I am and what I do. It has nothing to do with my generation of Americans.

While I find the facts surrounding the establishment of the Israeli State to be illuminating, I do not hold the current peoples of Israel accountable for them. The people who did these underhanded things are for the most part, dead. But it does show that the Palestinians have a legitimate grievance. And I only mention these historical incidents, to illustrate that fact.

Your country and it's current citizens have reached a defining moment in your history . . . now . . . either you can define it . . . or it will define you.

I look at it as an outsider and I see many things that are being done on both sides that are quite frankly . . . repulsive. But by your own admission, or at least those of some other Pro-Israeli posts, the Palestinians are uneducated and barbaric. All that says to me is that your people should know better . . . since you're ostensibly an educated, sophisticated and enlightened culture.

But that's not what we're seeing here on the outside . . . what we're seeing is compensatory barbarism from your side, that is not very flattering towards the government of Israel and the people it represents. You say . . . we're no angels. I don't expect you to be angels, just men of conscience.

You seem to think I view life with such callous disregard. But nothing could be further from the truth. My comments, while they may seem heartless to you, are simply pragmatic. If your country continues to define itself the way it has been . . . you're going to need more shovels . . . because many, many more of your citizens are going to die.

Personally, I'd prefer if both sides would just take a week off and talk to each other instead of at each other for a change.

If there?s anyone here who isn?t a person, its you!

The arrow through the heart of the other, is the arrow through your own.

I never said you weren't a person. I said you should stop being an Israeli for a second and just be a person. All Israeli's are people . . . as are the Palestinians . . . as are the Americans . . . ad infinitum. But all too often we forget that we are all people first and foremost. We breathe the same air. We are all born and we all die. If our differences seem overwhelming, maybe what we need to do is get back to what we have in common.

-TR

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Phew! I go away for a day and a half and 15 pages of discussion goes past me...

Anyway, having read every last post now, I'm getting out of this argument (with a passing comment). It seems that, no matter how many times I've tried to make points clear and illuminating, they have managed to have been ignored, so i shall try one last time to provide a few salient points for you guys to continue on, should you so wish.

The land that most people are currently referring to as that controlled by the Palestinian Authority is so under a series of treaties with Israel within territory occupied for tactical reasons in the 1967 war. People have mentioned that there are two ways of creating a country - one by a joint declaration from the governments of the world (i.e. the UN), which was how Israel was created and 2) by forcibly taking land. The legitimacy of either of these actions is irrelevent. At the moment, the land of the West Bank and that of Gaza "belongs" to Israel and is, for lack of a better phrase, sub-let to the Palestinians. That land was never previously under Palestinian control (there never having been a Palestinian state of the sort that the Palestinian people currently desire - please note, before you take that apart that I'm being very specific about how I said that). That land will, in due time be used to form a Palestinian state.

When Israel was originally created, the proposal put before the UN was for a Partition plan of the area under the British Mandate - part to form Israel, part to form Palestine. Somebody posted the map earlier - the jist of it is that the areas that the Palestinians are currently occupying makes up a fair majority of it. While the original founders of Israel accepted this plan, it was flatly refused by the surrounding Arab countries and the community that now form the Palestinians. Instead, war was declared on Israel in an attempt to reclaim the entire area and destroy the newly founded Israel. Several wars later and even more attempts at the destruction of Israel, the Palestinians are asking for the land that they turned down originally. Why, might we ask? It is fair enough that they want a country, that they deserve a country. But after 50 years of war, after constantly refusing to accept first a UN plan, then offer after offer from the Israelis, to ask for what was originally proposed is prosperous! But they need a homeland, so Israel is prepared to give them the "occupied" territory. That is now under Palistinian rule, the Authority being formed from the remenants of the PLO. Despite a few initial advances, the Authority have taken no steps to impose any kind of social system in the area - education is failing, welfare is failing, healthcare is failing. As TimeRider pointed out at one point, this is land that they could, should they so desire, proclaim as an independent country - though, ideally this would be done after a period of negotiation of borders, etc. At one point he claimed that he would do so imminently. Yet, he has not. The PA has neglected it's "country" and left it destitute and desperate. Instead they have returned to their old tactics - terrorism in the name of the destruction of Israel. That at the same time, they can claim brutality and desperation for their acts is the coup de grace of the whole situation. It is my belief that the nations of the world have been fooled by an organisation with overtones of legitimacy solely because the world desperately wants that legitimacy to be true. As does Israel. A legitimate Palestinian Authority would not be authorising and directing terrorist attacks, would not be neglecting their own people and sure as hell wouldn't be trying to destroy their neighbours, people who they will have to work with in order to form their country, like it or not.

Israel has a legitimate right to defend their country. The Palestinians likewise have a legitimate right to ask for their own. No one is debating this. The Israeli's cannot stand idly by whilst their own existence is threatened, by terrorist groups of any size, of any stature. That, at the moment, these terrorist groups are effectively controlled by the PA is a travesty that needs to be corrected so that the Palestinian people have a chance of freedom. The soliders that are in Palestinian towns and villages now have one mission and one mission alone - to get rid of the terrorists. Do not make the stupid mistake of thinking that these people are mindless killing machines, that they take joy in hurting and killing palestinians. Or that they would listen to orders to take unnecessary steps in securing their country. These soldiers are barely 20 years old. Would you do such a thing? Why should you believe that they would? The violence that occurs is deplorable, but it happens for a reason. Unfortunately sometimes there are civilian casualties. Due to the nature of the engagement and the fact that poorly armed terrorists are fighting and hiding among innocent civilians and using them effectively as shields, the majority of these are likely to be on the Palestinian side. But do not think that the Israeli soldiers are out there to kill Palestinians. That is not an army - that is a mob. This is not a blameless situation, or one where blame can be just doled out. But when terrorists are hiding within villages and using their own people as cover, I know where I'd point the finger.

Finally, before I end this for good. Let me just remind you that these suicide bombs are acts of terror. They are not acts of a desperate people - a desperate person, as we have seen so many times, from the pictures that we have seen on this board, runs and hides. Or perhaps should they insist on a violent route, takes a gun and fires at an soldier they feel is oppressing them. A desperate person does not, as his act of defiance, strap explosives to himself and then go and try to take as many innocent civilians as he can with him!

Use your heads, use your brains - understand a little about the difference between reality and what you're told. If you're going to read a paper, or watch the news, watch it skeptically and draw your own judgements, not the ones handed to you on a plate - that goes for either side. Don't fall for baseless facts and allegations people tell you unless you get the WHOLE story, unless you read the facts. And once you've read those facts, look for more, because you certainly won't have found out everything that you need to hear. Pictures, random claims, similes to events in the past and links to propaganda are not how you should be educating yourself and most of you are more intelligent than that - even though many are falling into that trap. The media does not help you; governments are as biased as the next man; even the UN, though it represents a good many countries, is capable of showing a biased view - it has in the past, it will do again. Trust only what you can determine for yourself, talk to the people that are suffering on both sides and don't listen to hearsay and lies.

This conflict is not going to end with words, and what we say here will not help. It will continue until the terrorists stop their campaigns and recognise the legitimacy of Israel to exist, as Israel has continually attempted to recognise the legitimacy of a Palestinian state (though it is continually hampered by the terrorists). But when the terror stops, Palestine will be born - it is the only way the future in the region can progress.

Fairwell, adieu. Don't make fools of yourselves.

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Israel should stop building settlements in the west bank.

Build a wall around the West Bank,seperating the West Bank (Palastine) from Israel.

Israel should not supply electricity or water services to the West Bank and let the Saudi's and other arabs look after the people of the west bank.

This war has been going on since the days of the Bible and the only entity that can stop Terrorist Bombers , is problably Allah himself or their Prophet Mohhammed.

Certainly Arafat has no control, especially himself being a self delcared Terrorist and leader of a Terrorist organisation the PLO.

When I was in my early teens I lived in a Jewish neighborhood in Australia, and I'm not particulary fond of Jewish people, and few years ago I lived next door to Palastinian neighbors here in canada, and they seemed okay at first, but later became a "Jihad"

with them and there was NO REASONING what so ever with them.

as I was forced to move to different neighborhood to get away from them.

Sharon is the only Prime Minsiter of Israel that has the b*lls

to do something to defeat these Terrorists.

If it was the USA being attacked by sucide bombers everyday you can rest assured they'd be doing a heck of a lot more damage in Palastine than the Israelies are.

The Muslim religion in my opinion is the most wickedest of all religions, as anybody who does not worship or believe in Allah is an "Infidel" and therefore does not have a right to exist.

I'd like to see the days when the western world will no longer have to rely on oil from the middle east countries and then terrorism will be defeated.

As with countries like Iraq, Iran and Saudi Arabia finance Terrorists, the telethon in Saudi Arabia, is just more funding for terrorists and with every passing day , Osama & Saddam are probably smiling when innocent Israelites and fellow arabs are being killed, by maniac Palastinians.

Remember 9/11 and the Palastinians were dancing in the streets as the world trade centers collapsed.

Bottom Line : What comes around goes around.

I truly believe the Palastinians are getting what they deserve....

Waiting for flames and/or mod's edits................................

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