Chipi Posted April 16, 2002 Share Posted April 16, 2002 well, i didn't read the whole thread. too long. anyway, here is my opinion. I'm from Israel. I lived there for 14 years, since i was born. To be honest, the situation right now is worst than ever. everyday some terrorist are bombing themselves and everyday people are killed, for no good reason. we had enough. I can't even go out of the house the hang out with my friends. can't take a bus. can't walk at the street. both sides loses. I don't believe that Arafat wants peace. I believe Arafat want to take over Israel, get the Jews out of there, and take control over the whole country. he is not ready for compromise. But, i do believe that the Palestinians themselves wants peace. i just believe that Arafat doesn't represent them. Arafat is a terroist. end of story. he is just like Bin Laden. it's funny that when the USA got hurt everybody were shocked, but I'll get killed tomorrow you won't even know. All you guys from North America, i think that you don't really have the right to tell us what to do. think you are so smart? why don't you go and live in Israel?! u don't know nothing about living inside the war, where everything is getting out of control and your closest friends are getting killed. We are in a war. we didn't started it. The Palestinians didn't started it. Arafat did. Since Israel was born, we never started a war. We are only protecting ourselves. And in war, people are getting hurt, killed. on both sides. I know that the Israeli Forces have killed some innocent Palestinians. I'm not saying they should, of course, but I'm saying that we don't like doing that. You can't run into a church and shout "can't get me". We always offered the Palestinians peace. We gave up almost half of our country, which is so small already (you can go through it in 8 hours max, north->south). Arafat always wanted more and more. and when we didn't agree, he have chosen war. btw - I just want to make sure you all remember, Arafat was NEVER selected in any democratic way. He took himself up there by guns and lies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
postertoad Posted April 16, 2002 Share Posted April 16, 2002 I'm not getting into this one. [;) TimeRider, Darkstar] But I do appreciate the opinions expressed and Neobond for letting us neowinians further our knowledge of the world and each of other. ah poo, I gotta throw something in: ###### for Tat cant go on forever. Who's justified and who's the villian has been rendered irrelivant by the passage of time. Both sides need to oust there respective militant leaders if they would like to see tomorrow [the US should do the same, but thats another story]. At this point - I would say the war is between the egos of two men and not the two peoples. Sure there are bitter and revenge minded folk running around - but I bet those just plain tired of it all are growing in number. People need to stand up and say so. People also need to stand up and be accountable for themselves. Blame gets one nowhere. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOS482 Posted April 16, 2002 Share Posted April 16, 2002 Originally posted by ooo Like any apologists you are willing to say and do just about anything to justify your cause, even outright lie. So, everything you state is suspect. Israel has no moral justification for what they are doing now, it is nothing more then another land grab. Using the Great Lie only shows just how arrogant they can be. Or else you actually don't know and just been told the Great Lie as if it were truth all of your life and you just don't know any better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooo Posted April 16, 2002 Share Posted April 16, 2002 Like any apologists you are willing to say and do just about anything to justify your cause, even outright lie. So, everything you state is suspect. Israel has no moral justification for what they are doing now, it is nothing more then another land grab. Using the Great Lie only shows just how arrogant they can be. Or else you actually don't know and just been told the Great Lie as if it were truth all of your life and you just don't know any better. It's people like you who believed things like Zikney Tzion Protocols and people like you who have always been quick to judge. I'm done replying to you, I'm not going to share any thoughts that I have here anymore as this thread turned into a one sided flaiming and whatever I say is being ignored by simply saying it's a lie. well yeah thats one hell of a case, "you lie" show some proof. and at the end of the day I'm glad it's not ignorent people such as you who rule the world, have fun thinking Israel is a control freek and looks to expand it's terretory. been intresting till these last few pages... I'm out of this thread no use to it anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOS482 Posted April 16, 2002 Share Posted April 16, 2002 Originally posted by ooo It's people like you who believed things like Zikney Tzion Protocols and people like you who have always been quick to judge. I've never heard of this, and as for judging you made it perfectly clear your beliefs in this. I'm done replying to you, I'm not going to share any thoughts that I have here anymore as this thread turned into a one sided flaiming and whatever I say is being ignored by simply saying it's a lie. well yeah thats one hell of a case, "you lie" show some proof. Coward. Run and hide. You are only proving us right. and at the end of the day I'm glad it's not ignorent people such as you who rule the world, have fun thinking Israel is a control freek and looks to expand it's terretory. If more people, like me, ran the world there would be far less violence and wars because of people like you. But, than again why would I want to run the world? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDF2k Posted April 16, 2002 Share Posted April 16, 2002 Ah yes, it is interesting to see all of the pro-Palestinian people, isn't it? The EU has bred you all so well. The fact of the matter is.. the Arabs are to blame for every war ever made against Israel. It has shown consistently throughout time that Arabs only concern themselves with the destruction of Jews. Even in World War II, the Arabs were conspiring with Hitler to destroy the Jews. Mohammed Said Haj Amin el Husseini, the moslem leader in Jerusalem, cast his lot with the Nazis. He was for the final solution... and people wonder why the Israelis are weary of the Arabs.. .. Speaking of Nazis, I am sick and tired of seeing Sharon and the IDF compared with the Nazis. How many Palestinians have been gassed in death camps? How many have worked as slaves for the government of Sharon? How many have been systematically burned alive in incinerators? NONE. The present situation calls for more then just peace talks. OSLO and the Camp David accords obviously did not work, because Palestinians continue to kill Israeli civilians. Sharon is 100% correct in moving into Palestinian towns and rooting out the terrorists. If the situation also calls for an invasion of Lebanon to take out the Hizbollah, so be it. If the arab world desires to launch an attack against Israel, Israel will defeat them. They have in 1948, 1967 and 1973, and will always be, victorious against aggressors. For the Love of Israel - - IDF2k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimeRider Posted April 16, 2002 Share Posted April 16, 2002 Damn . . . My Country, Right or Wrong . . . I can see that there is a long way to go. :( -TR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOS482 Posted April 16, 2002 Share Posted April 16, 2002 Originally posted by IDF2k Ah yes, it is interesting to see all of the pro-Palestinian people, isn't it? The EU has bred you all so well. The fact of the matter is.. the Arabs are to blame for every war ever made against Israel. It has shown consistently throughout time that Arabs only concern themselves with the destruction of Jews. Even in World War II, the Arabs were conspiring with Hitler to destroy the Jews. Mohammed Said Haj Amin el Husseini, the moslem leader in Jerusalem, cast his lot with the Nazis. He was for the final solution... and people wonder why the Israelis are weary of the Arabs.. Who said that I was pro-palestinian? What I am is anti-hypocrisy and the Israelis are the biggest hypocrits around. Both sides are at fault for using terrorism. .. Speaking of Nazis, I am sick and tired of seeing Sharon and the IDF compared with the Nazis. How many Palestinians have been gassed in death camps? How many have worked as slaves for the government of Sharon? How many have been systematically burned alive in incinerators? NONE. I see that you are just not getting it, and probably never will. The present situation calls for more then just peace talks. OSLO and the Camp David accords obviously did not work, because Palestinians continue to kill Israeli civilians. And Israelis kill far more Palestinian civilians, around 4 to 1. Sharon is 100% correct in moving into Palestinian towns and rooting out the terrorists. Sharon is a fool if he thinks that this will do anything other than make things far worse, but his real reason is not to get the terrorists but to steal more land. If the situation also calls for an invasion of Lebanon to take out the Hizbollah, so be it. If the arab world desires to launch an attack against Israel, Israel will defeat them. They have in 1948, 1967 and 1973, and will always be, victorious against aggressors. For the Love of Israel - - IDF2k This time you may not have the backing of the USA to help you win. You are on your own this time. You will suffer the fate of all conquer nations. This time the Arab nations are better organized. You may have nuclear weapons, but so do the Arabs as well. You may get off one or two, but then you will be irradiated ash soon after. If I had my way all aid from the West would be cut off from Isreal. If anyother nation did what you have been doing over the last 30 years they would have been put in their place. Your hypocrisy is showing, and now the rest of the world will get to see you for what you truly are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keldyn Posted April 17, 2002 Share Posted April 17, 2002 NOS482: Please, please learn how to quote. It becomes incredibly difficult to follow your arguments at times. :s We dont know who has said what you are supposed to be quoting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chipi Posted April 17, 2002 Share Posted April 17, 2002 ISRAEL WOULD NEVER HAD TO KILL ARABS IF ARABS WASN'T KILLING ISRAELIS. We never enjoyed killing. the terrorist did. we never wanted too. the terrorist did. It doesn't matter who lost more people. We are defending ourselves, the Palestiainas terrorists don't, they want to kill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VidER Posted April 17, 2002 Share Posted April 17, 2002 It seems that some people forgot how a nation got kicked out of its land in 1948 and forced to swim through the river of Jordan to live in hostile for more than 50 years now. And its Ironic how some people can see civilians who fight for the sake of their land, family, and homes against the latest military arsenals using only stones and burned tires terrorists that enjoy killing! I really don't want to post some pictures that speak better than thousands of words here and show you all the massacres being executed against the civilians of Palestine who refused to leave their lands to the Israelis. But some cold blooded people are forcing me to do so. ----- Whats the difference between a young man or woman wearing an explosive vest and blowing him/her self at the middle of tel Aviv and an Israeli pilot who bombs civilian districts in Palestine and Lebanon ? Can Anybody answer this Question? if we accepted that both of them are fighting for a cause? ----- I will. The difference is that the suicide bomber feels the pain of his victims when he/she blows him/her self among them. While the pilot causes much more casualties and death rate without having a hair on his head moved. Then goes back to his bas and prepare for another murder in the next day. People. Have some sense. Have some vision. Have some Humanity. Palestinian Kids will not fight the Israeli Army for the sake of fun or cause they like to kill. But what do you think of military trained soldiers shooting at kids? "SENSE".........! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOS482 Posted April 17, 2002 Share Posted April 17, 2002 Originally posted by Keldyn NOS482: Please, please learn how to quote. It becomes incredibly difficult to follow your arguments at times. :s We dont know who has said what you are supposed to be quoting... The parts in bold are what is being quoted. I tend not to use the quote command because under some BBSes if there are several quote commands used parts will disappear when replying and I got tired of having to paste those parts back in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOS482 Posted April 17, 2002 Share Posted April 17, 2002 Originally posted by Chipi PALESTINIANS WOULD NEVER HAD TO KILL JEWS IF JEWS WASN'T KILLING PALESTINIANS. We never enjoyed killing. the terrorist did. we never wanted too. the terrorist did. It doesn't matter who lost more people. We are defending ourselves, the Israeli terrorists don't, they want to kill. It all depends on which side you are on. As I had side, one man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munir Posted April 17, 2002 Share Posted April 17, 2002 Ok people, yes I have a Muslim name, but I am a Hindu, and live in Toronto, Canada. HERE'S AN IDEA!!!! One side actually try and use a non-violent approach to make the the other side look like the bad guy!!! Yeah, think about it, Ghandi did it, and the entire world was on his side! (except for the Muslims after independence, but hey, they got Pakistan and Bangladesh didn't they?) SO, if the Israelis pulled out all of their troops and used no violence at all on the Palestinians, the rest of the world would be on their side because of thier non-violent approach to a solution. THEREFORE, the next Palestinian suicide bomber blows him/herself up in the middle of a crowded street and BOOM, the rest of the world will be on Palestine like there's no tomorrow. HENCE, if the Palestinians all came to an agreement to stop using any violence at all, and the Israeli army still kept their troops in Palestinian controlled areas breaking down buildings and killing people, then BOOM, the rest of world (America or no America) will be on their side. Cause let's face it people, those of us who aren't Jewish or don't follow Islam know there's a huge problem here, but don't give a rats ass anymore after so much daily news about this stuff. Of course either side can go argue by bringing the past back up, but the rest of the world doesn't care about the past either. The rest of the world can just say, "We don't see the Jews going to all out war with the Germans do we?" So lets say one side does use this non-violent approach, people all around the world will start seeing this and realizing HEY, this is the side we wanna be on, the PEACEFULL side! Heck, peace talks can most likely come out of this idea, and again, the first side to start using violence while talks are being conducted will end up being the "bad guy." Oh yeah, but Israel's got America and Palestine has basically every Arab and Muslim state and country behind them. Yeah, that's great....WHO CARES. The day America promotes the side that uses violence over non-violence will be the day America dies. Also, if the states and countries that support Palestine wanna keep their down to earth, friendly status and image (except possibly Iraq), then they'll agree to a non-violent approach. STRATEGIC THINKING will beat violence anyday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chipi Posted April 17, 2002 Share Posted April 17, 2002 VidER, we didn't got into Israel and kicked the Arabs out. When Israel was born, the UN has offered the partition plan. the Palestinian leaders didn't accept the UN partition plan when Israel was born, and THEY decided to go into war with Israel. then, all the Arabs countries that are surrounding Israel attacked Israel together. I'm very sorry for them, but they lost the battle. Israel got land, from those war who started by the Arabs. Then, after the arabs decided that they don't want no UN partition plan, and they do want war, they wanted their land back. well, forget it. you can't go into a war with someone who wanted peace, lose, and then take back all you lost, you should have thought about it before you went into the war. NOS482, i'm from Israel. i'm on Israel side. Munir, it won't work. we already tried it millions of times. when there was a boom in a night club which killed more than 20 people under the age of 25 we didn't did a thing. we just stood there and cry. but who cares? no one. we've got troops in the arabs' lands not because we want to be there, we hate it, we're getting killed there too. we HAVE to be there, to protect our nation. The Palestinian terrorists don't care about what the world thinks, they think that if they'll kill jews they'll got to heaven with more than 40 virgin girls. I'm not bluffing, it's true. what can u tell to a person that believe by his religion that he should kill you? nothing. you can't tell him his wrong. u just have to hope that today won't be your last day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shafi Posted April 17, 2002 Share Posted April 17, 2002 Very shocking what I recieved in my email. Please don't flame! God will punish who ever did this click here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimeRider Posted April 17, 2002 Share Posted April 17, 2002 you can't go into a war with someone who wanted peace, lose, and then take back all you lost, you should have thought about it before you went into the war. In the history of recent warfare, where civilized States were at war, tell me another example where this practice applies.I cannot think of one. Germany, is in the hands of Germans. Japan is in the hands of Japanese. Even Iraq . . . is in the hands of Iraqis. Your reasoning is not contemporary. The failure on the part of the victors in WWI, to restore Germany, has always been considered to be the underlying cause of WWII. The Allies plundered Germany after WWI. Took reparations, rolling stock and territory. They saddled the German economy with huge amounts of debt. They implemented a form of Government that was completely foreign to the mindset of the day. The resulting environment was ripe for a man like Hitler to flourish. After WWII the opposite was true. The territory was returned and a new government of the people was formed. Even in East Germany, a local government was in place, albeit in a flawed system. Now we have economically powerful allies, instead of our next adversary. By maintaining that you are entitled to spoils of war, you leave yourselves open to the hostility of the displaced population. It is a politically unsound policy to expect that this land belongs to your country. It is contrary to the standards of behavior of an enlightened, cultured and sophisticated society, which finds itself in the role of the victor. History has proven time and time again that such a practice only leads to the next conflict. Including the one you are embroiled in now. It is Feudal. No, death to him was not defeatBut victory sublime The grave promoted him to be A hero for all time. George S. Patton ~ 1918 -TR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOS482 Posted April 17, 2002 Share Posted April 17, 2002 Originally posted by Chipi NOS482, i'm from Israel. i'm on Israel side. That is quite apparent. Maybe you should get out of the forest sometimes so you can see the rest of the trees. The Israeli terrorists don't care about what the world thinks, they think that if they'll kill arabs they'll got to heaven with more than (actually it is 72)40 virgin girls. I'm not bluffing, it's true. And many Israelis believe that all of the land there is their's by divine right and will kill whomever gets in their way. what can u tell to a person that believe by his religion that he should kill you? nothing. you can't tell him his wrong. u just have to hope that today won't be your last day. Maybe if you gave them a reason to live they wouldn't be so happy to die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YtseJam Posted April 17, 2002 Share Posted April 17, 2002 Well, I promised myself I won't be posting here again, but... And many Israelis believe that all of the land there is their's by divine right and will kill whomever gets in their way. Excuse me, but who the Hell you think you are for saying that? Do you even know us? Do you even know ME?! Who are YOU to say such thing?! Show me Israelis which think like that? It would be a very small %... If any, it's a very small % of the religious people here who might think that. **** man, I never heard about what you said. That is such utter bull****. Jesus. Just like you, most of the people here just got tired from all these wars. We don't want all the land. They can have their land and we have ours and that's it. And yes, there are a lot of problems that needed to be solved... Doesn't gives you any right to say such crap. Damn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOS482 Posted April 17, 2002 Share Posted April 17, 2002 Originally posted by nant Well, I promised myself I won't be posting here again, but... Excuse me, but who the Hell you think you are for saying that? Do you even know us? Do you even know ME?! Who are YOU to say such thing?! Show me Israelis which think like that? It would be a very small %... If any, it's a very small % of the religious people here who might think that. **** man, I never heard about what you said. That is such utter bull****. Jesus. I don't really care if you want to believe this or not, but it is the truth. From the massacre of the Caanites to the Palestinians many Israelis have been willing to kill those whom they think are keeping them from the PROMISED LAND. Just like you, most of the people here just got tired from all these wars. We don't want all the land. They can have their land and we have ours and that's it. And yes, there are a lot of problems that needed to be solved... Doesn't gives you any right to say such crap. Damn. That is a lie. Since Sharon came to power there have been 35 new settlements in the Occupid Terrorities and he has told Israelis to grab as much land as they can. The trouble is that many Israelis believe that the land is all theirs and anyone who says differently must hate Jews (Heard right out of a settlers mouth.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooo Posted April 17, 2002 Share Posted April 17, 2002 I'm sorry I promised I will not reply anymore to this thread but I couldn't ignore such full of crap post (and sorry for the language but thats what it is). I don't really care if you want to believe this or not, but it is the truth. From the massacre of the Caanites to the Palestinians many Israelis have been willing to kill those whom they think are keeping them from the PROMISED LAND. How in the name of god do you know that ?! do you know any of us, talked to any of us, picked our brain somehow ?! You are basing your comments on something you have no idea about, I'll bet you havn't even met one Israeli and even if you have you seeing your replies defenetly shows you weren't listening to him, you have no idea whats in the mind of an Israelien and you shouldn't act as if you know. That would be about the same as me saying I know exactly whats in your mind. You have no idea and you post is just usless opinion written as a fact ! you were all calling me a racist, well how do you call that ?! tagging 5.8 million people, hmm look at yourselvs and then look at us ! That is a lie. Since Sharon came to power there have been 35 new settlements in the Occupid Terrorities and he has told Israelis to grab as much land as they can. The trouble is that many Israelis believe that the land is all theirs and anyone who says differently must hate Jews (Heard right out of a settlers mouth.) I mean come on ! settlers are about 0.01% of our population 60% of Israel disagrees with settlments and the rest pretty much don't care about it. about 5% actually fully supports it. so don't dare base an opinion about 5.8 million people because one person sayed so, and a settler out of all ! as for the settlments themselvs, they are there not to expand the teretory but to make sure the erea wont become into another lebanon, the "expanding" idea is your own edition to someone elses words. I also wanted to add I never seen anyone who wanted to kill arabs other then the 0.01% of our country and an edition of some right wing people who are also sitting in hospitals for mental cases... now I actually live here and know people unlike you who seems to know what I think and want... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhmehkri Posted April 17, 2002 Share Posted April 17, 2002 Attitude of JEWS towards Israel ( I "guess" before formation of Israel ) Proves that Zionism was no accepted as a whole by entire jewish community when Israel was formed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhmehkri Posted April 17, 2002 Share Posted April 17, 2002 Did Images come? I didn't see them BTW check them out here http://www.geocities.com/onlinemhm/1.jpg http://www.geocities.com/onlinemhm/2.jpg http://www.geocities.com/onlinemhm/3.jpg http://www.geocities.com/onlinemhm/4.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOS482 Posted April 17, 2002 Share Posted April 17, 2002 Originally posted by ooo Forest for the trees.... settlers are about 0.01% of our population There are currently around 210,000 settlers in the occupid territories. Are you saying that there are 2.1 billion Israelis? That's pretty impressive since there are less than 20 million Jews around the rest of the planet. Please, get your lies straight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOS482 Posted April 17, 2002 Share Posted April 17, 2002 Originally posted by mhmehkri Did Images come? I didn't see them BTW check them out here http://www.geocities.com/onlinemhm/1.jpg http://www.geocities.com/onlinemhm/2.jpg http://www.geocities.com/onlinemhm/3.jpg http://www.geocities.com/onlinemhm/4.jpg We're sorry, but this page is currently unavailable for viewing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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