Your thoughts of the Israel-Palestine Conflict


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Neobond, I don't think you can call the situation in the Middle East one of persecution - the Israelis are not trying to drive the Palestinians out of Israel, they're trying to get rid of the terrorists. The Israeli government has repeatedly said that it would gladly accept some form of Palestinian homeland but that the terrorism is unacceptable.

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Isreal is fully Justified in their actions. They've been victims of terror for how many decades now? True, they are simply trying to dispose of the terrorists. If 80% of palastiniens are terrorists, then 80% of them must be disposed of.

As a Christian and a student of the Holy Text, I must also bring up one more point. All these people that critisize the USA for supporting Isreal, they do not seem to believe in the covenant Abraham made with God and certainly do not realize that anyone who opposes Isreal will be destroyed. Christians and Jews BOTH hold this to be true.

At any rate... I think the palistinian people are a sad case of evolutional brainwashing. THere are too many evil people there to allow for a normal thought proccess in any childeren and therefore we see the never ending supply of suicide bombers.

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Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah oh and Blah! So there are two solutions: One both sides can shut the hell up and accept there stupidity. or Two the fighting can just keep going on till nobody is left. That's how the pathetic fight between Israeli's and the Palestinian's is going. Also to the guy who thinks we just drop bombs to drop them you can shut up until you know what you are talking about. There are always unexpected casualties, even when we hit our own troops because somebody gave the wrong target! On the other hand he Israeli's just run into a city with guns blazing! everytime they do that they don't think the Palestinian's will fight back? It's give and take over there! Withdraw the toops, seal your borders with a 10 mile buffer between the two and shoot only those who walk in that zone from either side. Maybe one day later on after that you'll try to make peace, as in the case of Korea.

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So there are two solutions: One both sides can shut the hell up and accept there stupidity. or Two the fighting can just keep going on till nobody is left.

Like I said, the best solution would be for both sides (and only those two sides) to sit down and talk things over. Hopefully the Palestinians will get their land and everything will be peaceful, but as someone said earlier, one side will want more, and the war machine will start again.

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To quote Ozzy Osbourne as he talked to his son........

"You're all bloody mad!"

lmao i love that line and it's true for this. Both sides r friggin crazy ass b*tches and need to chill out.

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heh calling other people crazy when you live in brooklyn. :) j/k

I lived there till I was 11 over on Ave. X, my grandmothers and aunts and uncles stll live there most are over on M though.

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mawst I don't want to start a flame war (because I would win hehe :p) but you are a walking billboard for atheism.

As a Christian and a student of the Holy Text, I must also bring up one more point. All these people that critisize the USA for supporting Isreal, they do not seem to believe in the covenant Abraham made with God and certainly do not realize that anyone who opposes Isreal will be destroyed. Christians and Jews BOTH hold this to be true.
How can you justify current politics by reference to a text written 1000s of years ago by a few cult members? (Conversly how does one define a cult from a religion? Religions are accepted cults that is all). Do you live your life by what the bible says? Do you persecute homosexuals as the bible clearly states? Do you like living under a cloud of fear for all your life, terrified that your lovely god might destroy you? I for one would hate to live my life in fear.
At any rate... I think the palistinian people are a sad case of evolutional brainwashing. There are too many evil people there to allow for a normal thought proccess in any childeren and therefore we see the never ending supply of suicide bombers.

I am sorry if you think they are brainwashed but I'd look a bit closer to home my friend. It's really funny how when people talk about other religions they (rightly) see them as ridiculous yet they cannot see how theirs is as ridiculous as anyones.

Am I the only one who cannot help but fell sad when people condemn suicide bombers yet we often get "legitimate" soldiers who are killed and are then praised for "dying for their cause"?

Finally, I do not believe there are any evil people in this world. This is a medieval idea, people aren't ill - they are evil. Woman acting a bit strange? Oh she must be an evil witch. I think their thought process is very much on the level of your post.

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Am I the only one who cannot help but fell sad when people condemn suicide bombers yet we often get "legitimate" soldiers who are killed and are then praised for "dying for their cause"?

The big difference is that soldiers are people that fight against other soldiers and are aware of the risks. Suicide bombers are not fighting against soldiers, not against militia groups. Instead, they target innocent civilians - deliberately, not by accident - mothers, children, anybody. And you wonder why people are afraid to go in the streets in Israel...

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Biased reporting, CNN reports the niece to the UN embassador was killed in the bombing in Haifa today, 6 weeks ago, the sister to the chief Palestinian legislature to the UN was killed, no news on that, now THAT is what i call biased reporting

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Biased reporting, CNN reports the niece to the UN embassador was killed in the bombing in Haifa today, 6 weeks ago, the sister to the chief Palestinian legislature to the UN was killed, no news on that, now THAT is what i call biased reporting

IRN radio news today: "Israel ignores US, UN, Russia and EU by refusing to withdraw from palestinian territories". Nowhere was it mentioned that there was a suicide bomb this morning which stopped them withdrawing... biased reporting...

Like I said, there is enough propaganda floating around to make you believe anything. Isn't it lucky how everybody who's arguing here has taken the time to research what's actually going on before making an informed judgment...

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The big difference is that soldiers are people that fight against other soldiers and are aware of the risks. Suicide bombers are not fighting against soldiers, not against militia groups. Instead, they target innocent civilians - deliberately, not by accident - mothers, children, anybody.

I agree suicide bombers are deplorable. However the point I was making was that people gasp at how they can die for their cause yet soldiers do it all the time. Soldiers probably account for a bigger % of civilian deaths than suicide matyrs. 1 in every 4 bombs dropped by the US in Afghanistan missed their target - how many innocent civilians must have died? Please do not misread this post though I think all loss of human life is tragic and unacceptable.

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Its weird that

1. president bush says that we are always for freedom and for the freedom loving people, yet, no American president in the last 40 years has cared for any Palestinian killed, and im talking about civilians

2. 2000 years ago, jews were subjected to tortures and were not let go for freedom until thier Holy Prophet came and subjected God`s will and pressure on the Egyption ruler in letting the jews go and have thier own homeland, after 2000 years, these very descendants are doing the same which was subjected to them since the last 40 years.

3. I looked in the britannica encyclopedia, and in the place which called Israel proper today i saw only one name, it said "Palestine"

and that is a 1944 encyclopedia owned by my grandfather

4. Something happened to me last week, I was getting tickets for a concert, and a jew was in front of me, without telling me he just went and when the time was near that i was nearly in front of the line to get the ticket, the jew came and without saying anyting just stood in front of me, he came after 3 hours. I told him why are u standing in front of me, you never told me you were coming back and its been 4 hours, why are u standing in front of me, he said "this was always my place"

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IRN radio news today: "Israel ignores US, UN, Russia and EU by refusing to withdraw from palestinian territories". Nowhere was it mentioned that there was a suicide bomb this morning which stopped them withdrawing...

You honestly think that the Israelis would have withdrawn if it wasn't for this morning when all comments prior to this suicide bombing were to the effect of "We will finish our campaign regardless of what the US and international community say"?

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Originally posted by neo1980

Its weird that

1. president bush says that we are always for freedom and for the freedom loving people, yet, no American president in the last 40 years has cared for any Palestinian killed, and im talking about civilians

2. 2000 years ago, jews were subjected to tortures and were not let go for freedom until thier Holy Prophet came and subjected God`s will and pressure on the Egyption ruler in letting the jews go and have thier own homeland, after 2000 years, these very descendants are doing the same which was subjected to them since the last 40 years.

3. I looked in the britannica encyclopedia, and in the place which called Israel proper today i saw only one name, it said "Palestine"

and that is a 1944 encyclopedia owned by my grandfather

4. Something happened to me last week, I was getting tickets for a concert, and a jew was in front of me, without telling me he just went and when the time was near that i was nearly in front of the line to get the ticket, the jew came and without saying anyting just stood in front of me, he came after 3 hours. I told him why are u standing in front of me, you never told me you were coming back and its been 4 hours, why are u standing in front of me, he said "this was always my place"

What you all have against jews ?

Not anaught the german killed 6 milions jews so you want more to die ?

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2. 2000 years ago, jews were subjected to tortures and were not let go for freedom until thier Holy Prophet came and subjected God`s will and pressure on the Egyption ruler in letting the jews go and have thier own homeland, after 2000 years, these very descendants are doing the same which was subjected to them since the last 40 years.
That's a bit of a debatable comparison - even if you read the story as history (which to be fair, it probably is), it's pretty hard to suggest that Suicide bombers are a result of God's wrath. At least in the plages, Pharoh was warned about the concequences of his actions - there was never going to be a plague of frogs without giving him a chance to consider his actions. Plus, let's get things right, the Hebrews were Egyptian slaves - that's hardly true of the Palestinians.
3. I looked in the britannica encyclopedia, and in the place which called Israel proper today i saw only one name, it said "Palestine" and that is a 1944 encyclopedia owned by my grandfather.

Might that be because modern Israel was formed by the UN in 1948 at a vote from the General Council? Shortly after the Palestinians rejected a land of their own, incidentally - preferring to become refugees and launch a war...

4. Something happened to me last week, I was getting tickets for a concert, and a jew was in front of me, without telling me he just went and when the time was near that i was nearly in front of the line to get the ticket, the jew came and without saying anyting just stood in front of me, he came after 3 hours. I told him why are u standing in front of me, you never told me you were coming back and its been 4 hours, why are u standing in front of me, he said "this was always my place"

Well that's officially the biggest piece of racist crap I've ever heard.

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I don't care about who is right and who is wrong. I don't care about any moral implications or how politically charged the situation is. All I wanna know is how in the blue hell do you wage war for this long and yet no one wins? Seriously if you suck at war then maybe just maybe peace is the answer?ya think? :lick:

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You honestly think that the Israelis would have withdrawn if it wasn't for this morning when all comments prior to this suicide bombing were to the effect of "We will finish our campaign regardless of what the US and international community say"?

I honestly think that the action they would have taken would have been to try and destroy the cell that they were after and then pull out with the notice that another suicide bomb would result in a much harsher incursion. Unfortunately, some evil ******* has rather extended that process.

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4. Something happened to me last week, I was getting tickets for a concert, and a jew was in front of me, without telling me he just went and when the time was near that i was nearly in front of the line to get the ticket, the jew came and without saying anyting just stood in front of me, he came after 3 hours. I told him why are u standing in front of me, you never told me you were coming back and its been 4 hours, why are u standing in front of me, he said "this was always my place"

How exactly did you know he's a Jew? Did he have a huge pointy nose and huge claws ? Was he giggling evilly holding a minuture of the globe and fondling it in his hands?

Pffft, you are a racist. Period.

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i dont understand why it takes so much to try and stop them. it is a civil war, noone interfered with americas civil war, but this is different.

it is prophecy that this is the beginning of the end.

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Originally posted by Prince2k

What you all have against jews ?

Not anaught the german killed 6 milions jews so you want more to die ?

there we go , another thing, whenever someone says something bad to jews, he is called a nazi, a racist and a semitist and whenever someone blames Islam or muslims or Palestinian civilians, its called a war against terrorism. can u please, i urge you STOP bringing back the 6 million jews issue, might i remind you that 27 million muslims were killed in 1400-1500 till they went back to turkey

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The thing that worries me the most about this conflict is that it will pull every country on the face of the earth into this, and it will become WWIII.

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Originally posted by neo1980

there we go , another thing, whenever someone says something bad to jews, he is called a nazi, a racist and a semitist and whenever someone blames Islam or muslims or Palestinian civilians, its called a war against terrorism. can u please, i urge you STOP bringing back the 6 million jews issue, might i remind you that 27 million muslims were killed in 1400-1500 till they went back to turkey

Why yoo defend Palastin ?

When NewYork was atacked the palastin was celebreting and you defend them and telling me the Israel is wrong when we defending avry day our civilion from the terror the Palastin,Irag invite avry palastin civilion to blow him self on the Israel land and when arafat say thet he will be Shahid (man hwo cuicide and blow him self) you defending them and saying thet the jews are bad people ?

Why we bad ? what we did ? Did we blowing our self avry day to damage you country or we sendind people to kill you children ?

I dnot know why you think thet palastin "good"

maybe yo just love to see people die avry day becose of palastin !

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