=NickJ= Posted April 11, 2002 Share Posted April 11, 2002 Originally posted by tarrooka first of all i believe in God and that there is no God except Allah, second do u beleive in air? if yes how then altought u dont see Air ? besides if we see that our father was born to our grandpa then our grandpa to our grandpa ,then until we reach we will reach to Adam and where did Adam come from? Allah created him. right? third there is reserucction ofcourse and there is judgment day , how can we all be equal and there is people who hurt others and other people who are good people who are kind to others,.... ? sure there must be after life where we all placed for judgment and the good people will have the paradise and the bad people will go to hell.. Last thing , The holy Book of Muslim ( Qur`an ) have it all,,, and the best religon who Allah choose for all people is Islam,, and here u see that Will Smith converted to Islam, Is there a God? What is islam? just check http://www.islamonline.net/english/discove.../discover.shtml any commments on tarrooka@islamway.net This is what i have and as i said Allah Witness There is No God except Allah, and Mohamed is his Prophet. You can't use the "you can't seee air yet you believe in it" argument, thats jst rediculous. "Air" is not a substance. We are surrounded by Nitrogen, Oxygen, Carbon Dioxide etc.. which we can prove exist (baring in mind they are just names given to a certain group of elements with a certain set of characteristics and the argument "How do you know thats oxygen" etc.. is therefore null and void), when combined with movement these become wind, which we know exists because we feel it. I see what point you were trying to make, just chose a bad example i feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim W Posted April 11, 2002 Share Posted April 11, 2002 Look at it this way folks - maybe there isn't a God. Maybe I'm wasting my life following him. But Christianity has given me meaning, purpose and hope, not to mention many good friends! How is that bad? If God turned out not to be real I would not have lost a thing. If there is no afterlife, I will not be around to know! I know firmly in myself that there is a God, and that he loves me, but there's no way I can "sell" him, so I won't. Either you ask him to show you that he's there or you don't. But I can't see what you have to lose by looking for him. How do you know he's not there otherwise? Ask him - I dare you!! But watch out - he may answer! ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fedr0 Posted April 11, 2002 Share Posted April 11, 2002 Originally posted by Timble How do you know he's not there otherwise? How do you know he's there otherwise? Sorry, couldn't resist... :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tacheon Posted April 11, 2002 Share Posted April 11, 2002 religion is the all american bull**** story. one of my favorite comedians, george carlin, has a very interesting and what i believe to be true opinion about religion. he talks about it in his stand up special "you are all diseased." i personally dont believe in anything i or nobody else can see. we are taught in church that god created all, then we are taught in school that we are the product of evolution. which is right?? it just isnt logical there is a old man that lives in the sky that created man and the earth. sounds more like a fairy tale to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yazoo Posted April 11, 2002 Share Posted April 11, 2002 Its all about faith, you beleive in GOD you have faith. Religion is a human invention a way of making people beleive in a GOD. You don't need it as long as you have your own faith. True to your heart. Even if you don't beleive in a GOD be true to your heart. No one can really say what will happen after you die. Atheist say nothing others talk of re-incarnation. No-body can confirm this. Maybe something will happen maybe nothing, just don't waste your life on pointless sh*t you kmay only have the one life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenmuncher Posted April 11, 2002 Share Posted April 11, 2002 i can say i totaly belive it makes me wonder sometimes why so many people suffer if god exists, i was brought up in a protastant family, and belive my self to be more of a athesit than anything. Greenmuncher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesseract Posted April 11, 2002 Share Posted April 11, 2002 Who created the Bible? Humans, not a God or Gods. There you go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semifamous Posted April 11, 2002 Share Posted April 11, 2002 There's actually an interesting book that I highly recommend for anyone who doesn't believe in God. It's called "The Case for Faith", and it's written by Lee Strobel. He was a lawyer who didn't believe in God, and he took a lawyer's approach to prove that God didn't exist. He wrote a follow-up too, caled "The Case for Christ" in an attempt to prove that Jesus Christ was either Fiction or just a Fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshie Posted April 11, 2002 Share Posted April 11, 2002 I feel inspired to post, but it would probably be very long, and I doubt anybody here would actually care to read the philosophical drivel of a long-time agnostic studier of religions who tends to think all religions are connected on the core level. So I'll only post it if I feel like my post would be accepted. I see no point wasting the effort otherwise. -Edit- I'll agree with the earlier post, though, that this survey needs an agnostic option. There's no black and white on this issue, and 'sometimes' is not an adequate grey area. I certainly hope nobody carries a faith only 'sometimes', as they'd be the worst type of religious person out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
=NickJ= Posted April 11, 2002 Share Posted April 11, 2002 Originally posted by Joshie I feel inspired to post, but it would probably be very long, and I doubt anybody here would actually care to read the philosophical drivel of a long-time agnostic studier of religions who tends to think all religions are connected on the core level. So I'll only post it if I feel like my post would be accepted. I see no point wasting the effort otherwise. I for one would like to read that, please post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EidrahS Posted April 11, 2002 Share Posted April 11, 2002 "Who created the bible, Humans......" Yes humans did "create" the bible .... BUT NOT the Quraan. Its been a PROVEN fact thet the Quraan holds ALL the scientific answers and could NOT have been created by ANY human hand (taken from scientific studies of scientists throughout the world). Yhose same scientist who study our stars, planets, cosmic fields, AIR, water etc etc.....ALL of them come to this conclusion when given a part pof the Quraan to study..... the problem is ACCEPTANCE (the thruth is always the hardest to accept) Who of you in this thread have HONESTLY gone to someone to be explained about the quraan & islam? but yet you dont believe in something you dont know of. Your eyes are open but yet you are so blind.... Yeah yeah some will ask "what about the suicide bombings etc etc...does THAT have anything to do with ISLAM (Look at the LAWS of islam....If i rape my daughter in the name of ISLAM..does that mean its part of ISLAM - NO not at all....) Educate yourselves people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EidrahS Posted April 11, 2002 Share Posted April 11, 2002 Theres NO religion or cult or group that teaches you as much as ISLAM does.: 1. Marriage (ALL Aspects) 2. Bringing up children 3. Sex 4. Love 5. Work 6. Play 7 Sport 8 Biology 9. on and on and on........EVERY ASPECT OF LIFE. Islam has the answer (Aids...fornication....drugs....abuse) Islam is the answer to STOP it and NOT the FREE AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X E O N Posted April 11, 2002 Share Posted April 11, 2002 im a pagan i have many gods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sOma Posted April 11, 2002 Share Posted April 11, 2002 The concept that you only believe in what you can see is very illogical... 5,000 years ago, no one had ever seen mars... does that mean it didn't exist 5,000 years ago? Our knowledge in this universe is limited to our own solar system, and we haven't even completely explored it yet. If you only believe in what you can see, then you are extremely close-minded... Not realistic. Realism to you is what you have experienced, what you know... And it is obvious what we know is very limited in this large, infinite, mysterious universe. I will agree that we should not worry about other lives in the current lives we are living now, but I don't think anyone is suggesting that they do. It's one thing to just wonder about something, and another thing to spend your entire life trying to find an answer to something that is impossible to answer... Most people who believe in reincarnation also believe that there are tasks we have been given to complete in the life we are currently living... therefore they make the effort to complete these tasks... whether it be dealing with an abusive family, and surviving it with your self-esteem... or overcoming something like anxiety... People are thinking about this life, and about other people in this life... There may be some who do not, but I cannot speak for them... But it would be an untrue and unfair statement to say all people with spiritual beliefs have no care for the current life they are living, and devote all their time to worrying about past lives and future lives... It is not selfish to occasionally think about an afterlife... It's normal, and humans have been doing it since we've been on this planet... and we will continue to do it... People who do not have any spiritual beliefs, and believe once they die, they are simply dead, and never exist again may have some insecurities, and don't consider themselves important enough to take care of or worry about... Which can lead to self-destructive behavior... but they would like to accuse other people of being selfish in order to justify their own reasons for not placing any value on themselves or their lives... Again, I do not believe in a God, nor am I religious... I am simply defending imagination and hope... something so many people here have forgotten, or have simply experienced many painful things resulting of the loss of any chance to have any kind of imagination... I am defending the human right to care about our lives, and what happens to us after we die, without having to deal with people accusing others of being selfish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bant Veteran Posted April 11, 2002 Veteran Share Posted April 11, 2002 second do u beleive in air? sure i believe in air..... and i can see it. do you believe in water? air is just as visable as water. you can only see the barriers between them. what does air look like surrounded by water? what does water look like surrounded by air? /applaud keldyn & nick nice to find people in the same mindset Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariusu Posted April 11, 2002 Share Posted April 11, 2002 kareemah, i don't now what you want: this thread has a simple question: do you beleive in god?, now the answers should be one of the three the poll provides and you comments something to justify your answer. BUT you and some others are missunderstanding and missusing this thread to tell us there is only allah. you're using this for promoting islam, and this is not right. please respect the other religions to! MODS!!!! you should do something!:right: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry416 Posted April 11, 2002 Share Posted April 11, 2002 i respect all religions because many believe in a higher power for hope and because most religions do have good intentions with how they feel a person should live their life. i dont necessarily believe in any one religion, although technically im catholic, i just feel everyone must respect others. agnostic probably best describes me, i believe in a god and alot of times find myself simply talking to him, although most people just think im staring into space or talking to myself!...:p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borg77 Posted April 11, 2002 Share Posted April 11, 2002 Originally posted by semifamous There's actually an interesting book that I highly recommend for anyone who doesn't believe in God. It's called "The Case for Faith", and it's written by Lee Strobel. He was a lawyer who didn't believe in God, and he took a lawyer's approach to prove that God didn't exist. He wrote a follow-up too, caled "The Case for Christ" in an attempt to prove that Jesus Christ was either Fiction or just a Fool. You can't prove that god does exist or doesn't exist because you don't have the knowledge to do so in the first place. If God wanted human beings to have physical proof that he existed he would of done so a very long time ago. So, you and your lawyer friend can disprove all you want but in the end your just wasting your time. Same goes for the theory of evolution. Its only a theory and not fact. Macro-evolution maybe taught in the schools but it doesn't mean you have to believe its true. Micro-Evolution is the only concept of evolution proven to be true. Religious people and scientific people have beliefs but are different. Religious people worship God with faith because he created the world and can take the world away at a moment's notice. Scientific people experiment with the physical enviroment in our world and universe. So, their beliefs depend on what they can see and what they cannot see. For all we know, God may exist in a different dimension with a whole new law of physics. Maybe something to ponder on for awhile. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glowstick Posted April 11, 2002 Share Posted April 11, 2002 Lots of micro-evolution results into macro-evolution :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deron Dantzler Posted April 11, 2002 Share Posted April 11, 2002 on what sOma said and more: except when under the christian faith one must attend church on sunday mornings and some on sunday night as well. the devout christian probably spends wednesday evening in church, much time is spent in prayer, and bible study and also spends 1/10 of their income (as the bible directs) to the church. interesting how "hope" for an afterlife turns into such an obsession and opresses the people as a whole. and why don't we consider religion as a whole...religion is the bulk of the reason why the palestinian people and the israeli people do not get along. yes land plays a major role in it as well, but they would be able to co-exist a lot easier if they were of the same religion or of NO religion. most of them look alike, and they were born right there in the cradle of civilization. but religion is what has split them apart and what will come them apart. religion is an outdated thing. the stories were made when the world was flat and we've proven that wrong now. we have also proven that men weren't created by 'god' but were more or less an accident of nature. the whole thing is...why waste time like i am and everyone else is now arguing a/b it? we ARE. we are here by whatever method, and we should use the time here wisely and concentrate more on the things of this world than the bullsh*t that holds us down like spending approx 1/8 of our lives in bible study, church, and 1/10 of our assets to something else. if that 1/10 went to something like starvation other than pastors there would be a lot less starvation in the world. or if it went to a fund to cure aids we wouldn't have that either. so much is wasted on religion. we are possibly on the brink of a war b/c of the middle east conflicts and the endless struggle there. it's all a waste. a big waste. and islam? i fail to believe that a prophet named mohammed sat under a tree and ate a grain of rice a day until he was enlightened. and for the person who spoke of allah? allah to the islam is the same GOD that the christians serve. they just don't believe in christ. as a guy said earlier...all religions have a core. they are all remotely the same. they all have the same underlying messages. they all try to bind the people because they were all originally some way to maintain order in a world of cannibals and highly uncivilized people. those people were not civilized in the least back then so there had to be some form of control. that's all for now i have class... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesseract Posted April 11, 2002 Share Posted April 11, 2002 Originally posted by Borg77 For all we know, God may exist in a different dimension with a whole new law of physics. I have always believed this, since he created the universe he must have done so from somewhere else, hence another dimension or parallel universe. Here is something to ponder: Who or what created the universe that God would reside in? IOW, what came before the universe that we are in now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jessterw Posted April 11, 2002 Share Posted April 11, 2002 I wanted to post something more to this thread but it seems it would be pointless. Everyone seems to have their minds set and I've even seem some criticism of those that don't believe the same thing. I also find it amusing that there is some "patting on the back" between those that just happen to feel the same way, as if this is some competition. I for one have read several posts in this thread that go against what I believe in, but that I have found interesting and very well thought out. Like some others on here have said, have an open mind and listen to others before closing them out and criticizing them. For any of us who assumes we have it all figured out and that all others must be wrong, are just ignorant and close minded. That may sound harsh and it should. That type of attitude is what has caused so many wars and conflicts throughout time. I have a question, why do God and religion have to be synonomous? I've always felt they are two distinct things. Religions is a means to and end, a way to collectively believe in something. God is an entity that either exists or doesn't, but can't be disproved. We may be able to disprove the foundations and teachings of some religions, but we cannot disprove the existance of an entity that we have never seen or really don't know anything about (indeed we also cannot prove the existance of God). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deron Dantzler Posted April 11, 2002 Share Posted April 11, 2002 harry: technically agnostic means you don't know or care if there is a god... atheist is you don't believe... if you don't care why talk to him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bant Veteran Posted April 11, 2002 Veteran Share Posted April 11, 2002 one common thing im seeing posted.... is that people cant grasp what came before the big bang. making it seem like a rediculous idea that somebody came up with because it was the easy way out. (cackles) if this is indeed your argument that god exists, what came before god? and before that? what about before that? did god in fact evolve from something also? when the heavens and hells were first "invented".... it was a time when people didnt know what was up, and what was down. They knew it was cloudy and nice up in the sky, and they knew it was dark and hot, and molten down below. therefore, hell and heaven were believed to be up and down. now that we know that they are indeed NOT up and down, we make up other excuses for their non-existence... we say we cannot reach them untill we are dead. can we say the same goes for god? we used to believe he was watching over us, from the heavens, up in the sky. now that we can travel up there.... we say he watches from everywhere, invisible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borg77 Posted April 11, 2002 Share Posted April 11, 2002 Originally posted by Tom Servo Lots of micro-evolution results into macro-evolution :D Prove it. Bring me your dissertation on how this comes about. I bet you a dollar you can't prove macro-evolution as fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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