evolution - there is NO evidence


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The problem with evolution is that those that support it are extremists who a few hundred years ago would have argued just as strongly that the Earth is flat.

The fact remains that there is NOT ONE example of evolution from something like bacteria to say a cat, dog, bird or human.

Now evolutionists will all but go into a fit to denounce the alternative view of creationism and why ... is it that they do not want to face the reality that there is a God ?

If evolution is real then prove it.

The TRUTH is evolution is not real.

There are no missing links found because they don't exist, but try and tell that to a EVOLUTIONIST FUNDAMENTALIST !

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A challenge to every evoltuonist out there ... if you are right then post a link to a site that PROVES you are right.

If all you can do is flame then you simply prove my point that you are are evolutionist fundamentalists !

Prove that evolution is real !

Don't just believe ... always question !

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prove evolution isnt real...

for that matter when you prove god is real, i'll conceded.. until then i'll follow logic and science and not some 2000 year old form of control.

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Prove that it's not without going into Philosophy. Should we resort back to the basic elements, instead of atoms why not say that wood contains fire and that rocks contain earth? lol

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im sorry but evolution seems more realistic than there being a god...

and if your asking us to prove that evolutions is real... then why don't u prove that god is real?

just my 2 cents

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If the big bang really happened and chemicals or atoms floating in space all of a sudden exploded into planet building, life giving particles, then where did those chemicals and atoms come from? where did space come from? who created atoms? they couldn't have just been there forever? and how long was forever until the atoms found eachother and exploded? and was it by chance that the two atoms needed to create the universe found eachother? If you don't believe that there is some higher order of intellegence other than our own your blind.....now i'm not saying the big band didn't happen....my belief is in God assisted evolution. But if you can honestly tell me you don't believe in something higher than humans, i feel sorry for you and don't see how you can live with that understanding, being as how horrible humans can be. Trust me as a race....we should've been destroyed a long time ago. The Matrix was right, we are a virus.

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Just because we don't have all the evidence doesn't mean that it's not true. We don't hold all the answers and we are only learning as time progresses, I have been aware of other debates that attempt to prove the opposite of what a thing is in previous centuries(from text books). But the point is again, we lack enough evidence to shove the creationists down to the gutter of society (lol), but everything actually makes sense with evolution. The only fault of evolution is none...sure we haven't found every fossil, the earth tends to recycle itself and its possible to jump from an animal from being normal and suddenly having a tail or something because of random variables affecting a child's birth.

The simple fact is that evolution has more evidence and what the creationists what to do is to tell us that evolution is wrong because we simply don't have all the evidence, but we have most of it and we are still progressing.

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It is interesting though,

Research a little on any genetic research. and you find that several thousand genes are Identical from simple bacteria to the Human form.

Although with the results from the Human Genome Project, the number of genes decreased by several thousands.

And we are only 1% different from the chimpanzee.

The main issue with evolution is that it doesn't occur in small time changes, it occurs over severl thousands of generations.

But I do agree, when theogist can prove scientifically that god exists, (in whatever form or belief system you subscribe to) then we can talk in that forum.

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In a recent thread on this subject, I think the evolutionists made it clear that evolution was a theory. A theory is simply a conclusion that meets the facts as we know them thus far. I don't think they were wrong or out of line in this issue.

I am a Christian, but I don't see how evolution and Christian faith are mutually exclusive.

I think what you are doing here is baiting the evolutionists into a discussion about whether or not there is a God. That's a personal belief, a decison made by each person and really has no right or wrong answer.

And frankly, they are right. We cannot prove empirically, the existence of God. That's why it's called faith . . .

I find it interesting as well that this subject should re-emerge so closely on the back of the poll taken this morning. It's almost like collusion, to make a point about potentially controversial threads.

JMHO

-TR

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if you were walking through a desert and there was no one around you at all, you looked down and you found a watch... now let me think who in their right mind would think hmm all the components of this watch have just suddenly appeared and they have all suddenly fixed themselves together and BOOM a WATCH!! obyously not... there was a creator of this watch which was man... and this should show you that we cant just come from a bang of elements... there must have been an ultimate creator.

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<--- god

i hate these threads, you think a bunch of computer dorks and 12yo brats are gonna prove anything either way?

there is more proof in evolution then there is in god.

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and this should show you that we cant just come from a bang of elements

Playing Devil's Advocate here for a second. There are also situations where a combination of elements can react and combine to form an entirely new compound. This can happen by happenstance or it can be a result of an experiment conducted with purpose. In either event the reaction occurs and the new compound is formed.

I think that as sensible people, even if we don't agree with their conclusions, we must admit that the evolutionists make a point. Their faith in the empirical study of evolution is no different than my faith in the truth of the Word.

Disagree if you must, but you cannot discount them simply because they cannot make the same leap of faith that you or I might have made.

-TR

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See heres why these threads get closed, this arguement is spanning out into more and more threads as we speak. The Scientific Case agaisnt evolution thread would have been the right place to litigate this matter, youve callasly started a new thread for no reason.

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TR: We cannot prove empirically, evolution either that's why it should be called faith also and should bot be taught in science classes as a proven fact.

I go back to the bacterai example becomming resistant to certain drugs which evolutionists claim is a proof for evolution. Well, it's not. It's just adaptation, it is still a bacteria.

I watch a guy on TV who used to inject Cobra venom into his body for many years, now he is totally resistant to Cobra venom He got bitten by Cobras and didn't die. Totally immune. So is he evolving ? NO ! It just adaptation, just like the bacterai example.

It's funny how easy it is to refute evolutionists claims with a little common sense.

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We cannot prove empirically, evolution either that's why it should be called faith also and should bot be taught in science classes as a proven fact

We have no disagreement here Jim. It should be taught as a theory.

But where you and I seem to depart is when it comes to teaching a religous principle in schools. If the schools could approach the idea of Divine Creation without discussing a particular point of view (i.e. Christianity), I would even concede that it should be taught. But since the principal evidence for Divine Creation tends to reside in the Bible, Koran or other religious texts, I don't feel a school for the learning of general knowledge is the place to teach it.

-TR

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TR: I do think it's possible to teach Divine Creation without discussing a particular point of view (i.e. Christianity). Actually,

I believe Muslims, Jews and Christians wouldn't disagree on this issue. I;m not saying we should go into specifics of each religion, just say there is a strong evidence that God created the whole universe and we should also teach them 10 commandments and basic morals which are also common to all 3 religions.

Or better yet, separate schools from the state (IOW abolish public schools) and let everybody choose his own way of educating children. There are millions of homeschooling parents. If it's good enough for them, then it should be good enoughfor everybody else.

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Originally posted by syphern

if you were walking through a desert and there was no one around you at all, you looked down and you found a watch... now let me think who in their right mind would think hmm all the components of this watch have just suddenly appeared and they have all suddenly fixed themselves together and BOOM a WATCH!! obyously not... there was a creator of this watch which was man... and this should show you that we cant just come from a bang of elements... there must have been an ultimate creator.

well if you've ever had sex you'd know that sperm + egg = baby

people do it, birds do it, cats do it, whales do it as well, so does that mean that all of these things come from man?

look at mules. all that is is a cross between a horse and a donkey that just came into being when you cross-mate two different animals and now look you've got a whole new species that can be classed under equis.

Same as some flowers and fruits such as a tangelo.

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JimF:

The flaw in your thinking is that teaching the 10 commandments does not address the rights and views of athiests and agnostics. So it would be inappropriate to teach those things.

Private schools are there to use at your pleasure. The main problem I have with a privatized schol system is parity. There are some real dangers here in that uneducated parents might make poor decisions for their children. The next thing you know we have a permanent underclass. You assume that every parent is as passionate and informed as you about your childs education. This is not the case.

Let's take medical care as an example. In the US would you rather be treated at a County Hospital or the Mayo Clinic??? That's a no-brainer. But I don't see too many kids from Harlem being afforded the opportunity to be treated at the Mayo Clinic.

Our education system, while far from perfect, does an admirable job considering the lack of support the tend to get at home. I happen to live next door to a school board member, and I can say with fair certainty that the majority of Americans take only a moderate interest in the school system.

While I appreciate your theories on education, I would not endorse them as proven.

-TR

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Originally posted by JimF

TR: I do think it's possible to teach Divine Creation without discussing a particular point of view (i.e. Christianity). Actually,

I believe Muslims, Jews and Christians wouldn't disagree on this issue. I;m not saying we should go into specifics of each religion, just say there is a strong evidence that God created the whole universe and we should also teach them 10 commandments and basic morals which are also common to all 3 religions.

Or better yet, separate schools from the state (IOW abolish public schools) and let everybody choose his own way of educating children. There are millions of homeschooling parents. If it's good enough for them, then it should be good enoughfor everybody else.

Quote from article.

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But Across the Centuries publisher Houghton Mifflin counters that Pipes only has half the story. California's state-devised history-curriculum proceeds chronologically. Collin Earnst, a spokesman for the publisher, says that Christianity, Judaism, and Buddhism are covered in the sixth-grade text, as mandates by state standards.

"The state of California decided what would be taught and when it would be taught," says Earnst. "If you look at both these books as a unit, they're fair representations of all these religions, and present them in a similar fashion."

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Teaching Islam: What seventh-graders in California are learning about Mohammad & co.

So, aspects of religion are taught in California schools as mandated by the state. They may discuss it generally without a certain point of view; so it goes to show you that evolution isn't the only thing that can't be proven that is being taught in the public shools.

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Kudo's Borg . . .

If it were to be taught anywhere it should be in Social Studies, History or Philosophy . . . not as a science. It should be taught that they exist, what the belief system is, without endoersement.

However I think that JimF feels we should teach the 10 Commandments as the right way to live.

-TR

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There are times when the presence of God can be seen, and even felt.

I've done mission trips etc and God has "Proven" himself to me. There are times when the spirit manifests himself also. I forget the speaker's name but a manifestation by way of Gold dust follows his ministry... People's teeth turn Gold during worship, etc etc.

There are many accounts of people getting healed on the spot while being prayed for... I guess evolution just knows that people are praying for them.

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you, religious people, are starting to make me sick

"look at me, I HAVE THE TRUTH, why?, because I say so"

there?s not ENOUGHT evidence to evolution, I agree

but also, there?s NO evidence to a creationism neither

The problem with THE CREATIONISTS is that those that support it are extremists who a few hundred years ago would have argued just as strongly that the Earth is is the center of the universe.

You all the creationists, go and read some books and information about THE MODERN evolutionist theory, the Darwin evolutionists is OLD.

I agree again, me and my mind cant explain the whole theory (or even understand all of it) but neither you, thats because the humans invented "GOD", because that word is the QUICK AND EASY ANSWER to everything

and of the rant, agree if you want, disagree if you want, Im tired of this kind of topics, is crearly enought to see the real intentions of making things like this

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just because, as you put it, "evolution hasnt been proven" (which you didnt prove), doesnt mean creationism is real. I hear this illogic all the time, and its kind of surprising, because some people are perfectly willing to just believe in creationism, I guess partially because they think that people are special. people *are* special, but we're still animals. Id also like to point out that you concluded from this argument that god exists (and that he pulled people out of his celestial hat). I think its kind of funny, because on one hand you totally discredit science, and on the other you just take the hunch of a doctrine, a story.. a myth. Many scientists do believe in a god, because to an extent it makes sense.. everything came from somewhere. And I agree. But I dont think Im willing to believe in creationism.

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