evolution - there is NO evidence


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Originally posted by Neobond

The only thing man can be certain of is that man does not know everything ;)

I made that up

Man doesn't know everything. If man did know everything in the future, do you think we would still have all the problems we would have today. We wouldn't even know what the word fear meant if we had that much knowledge. I like your humor Neobond as it lightens up the heated debate we have going on here. :)

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Evolution is about a species changing so that it can reproduce its DNA more and its own niche. If a species has found a niche and is doing just fine and not having any competition, what good wood a mutation do so any adaptations would not be needed.

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Is it fair that these people are paying twice in fact ?

Actually yes it is. I'll tell you why.

I purchased my home in 1990, I had no kids. I paid my property taxes yearly even though I had no children in school. Is that fair?

I have never had a fire in my home, and I am insured. So can I keep my tax dollars that go to the Fire Department?

I have never had cause to call the Police, am I entitled to that money back?

For all the years I had no kids . . . I never set foot in a public park, so was it fair for me to pay?

I have never used Highway 61, so when they improve it, can I be exempt for my share?

Need I go on . . . ?

Just because you elect not to use a particular public service does not mean that you shouldn't contribute your fair share to the greater good of your community. Your property values are directly impacted by many of these issues INCLUDING the public schools.

We live in a Society where we have all agreed that in some issues we will put the needs of the few in front of the needs of the many. That we as a society have certain obligations to provide services to any who choose to avail themselves of them.

You live here?

Then pay your taxes. I did. It was the right thing to do.

-TR

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Originally posted by username

JimF CharlieBrown (members of the make the longest thread fanclub)

So I guess you are against all theorys then. So people should not be taught Algebra, Calculus, Physics, and any other subject that has theories. Get a life please.

Their problem, among many, is that they don't (won't) learn what a theory actually is. They believe that it is a guess only. They are greatly mistaken in this belief of their's.

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JimF. Before monotheist religions sprang up side-by-side with agriculture 5000 years ago, do you think people had no morals? You need a serious dose of reality, kid. Morals are innate. As Prot put it, "Every being in the universe knows right from wrong". The minute you explain to me why the major religions of the world all sprang up at the exact moment in history (and were the future roots of Christianity) - which happened to correlate EXACTLY with the sudden influx of agriculture (termed the agriculturalist revolution) then I'll take you seriously.

I've probably read the bible more than you, and I am strongly agnostic, yet I bet you couldn't (in your own words) give me a breakdown of the principles of science or the historyof the theory of evolution - and yes there were people before Darwin. Sorry to say this but I imagine you are quite simple of mind - and would rather believe what you have always been told to believe rather than go out and search for the truth yourself. Man I bet you hated the 60's. People like you scare me - you want an army of evangical moral guardians on patrol, banning sex, drugs, and rock and roll. Oh wait that's been done before, and guess what? It didn't work then and it won't work now.

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Originally posted by Borg77

I wouldn't go that far to say that there isn't one grain of sand of evidence for creation. It seems to me you are close minded to just the theory of evolution.

It is not a matter of being closed minded, it is the fact that all of the available evidence points to evolution as being real. The only "evidence" for creationism is from totally unreliable sources which are centuries out of date.

I accept evolution as a micro-process but not as a macro-process.

Micro and macro evolution are the same thing. It is just that one is just enough adaptations to made for a different species. And no this does not mean a different species like a children turning into a horse.

What we really need is to establish a laboratory which can last for millions of years as to observe how evolution really takes place? This would be ideal so that we won't keep squabbling about whos right and whos wrong.

Evolution can be simulated in software. In fact there is a program which does exactly this.

If you were presented with vastly amounts of evidence that creation was real, would you really still stick your head in the sand.

If it did actually exist I would be a fool not to accept it, but I won't be holding my breathe waiting. [/b]

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Originally posted by Borg77

You might be right about evidence being hundreds out of date. But that doesn't mean they can't be analyzed with today's technology. The shroud of Tourin is a good example of how today's technology has analyzed the cloth that Jesus was buried in. You can come up with your own conclusions and opinions.

The Shroud Of Tourin

At least it is analyzing something that can be held and proven to exist, not like a belief.

I knew a Jehovah's Witness who told me that Jurassic Park was slightly blasphemous to him because dinosuars could not have existed millions of years ago because the bible says that the earth is only 7000 years old. He said that carbon dating was not reliable because no one could measure a unit of time great enough to establish that fossils are that old. I explained that you don't need to measure an hour if you can measure a minute and multiply by 60. Then I mentioned the Shroud of Turin. He looks at me and says, "But they proved that was fake" and I said, "Yes, and with the same process that proves dinosaur bones are millions of years old". He went away, not liking that one bit.

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Originally posted by TimeRider

Wouldn't it be funny if evolution were the result of this very arguement between God and his brother Bob?

:)

-TR

hehehehe

You're not too far off...

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Originally posted by Borg77

No, I am not trying to disprove gravity. Your the one that said I am trying to disprove gravity and I never said anything about disproving gravity. I merely gave an article giving evidence that dinosaurs probably existed in the 20th century.

That is basically what you are trying to say since we don't fully understand, or can fully prove evolution just because it is a theory and since gravity is a theory as well than it must not be provable either. Please, I see that you still don't (won't) get the concept of how evidence collecting under science works. You bring up total nonsense as an example.

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TR: If fire department didn't do it's job and instead were setting houses on fire, would it be OK to demand that it be shut down ?

If the Police department didn't do their job and instead were robing people, would it be OK to demand that it be shut down ?

If the roads were bad, would be OK to demand somebody else gets to take care of it ?

Need I say more ?

Now we know that public schools are not about educating the kids, they don't care about your child, all they care is to indoctrinate as many people as possible into their warped philosophies, in other words they are creating children of Hell.

THose few examples you gave about how great some teachers are doesn't change a thing. The whole system is rotten. WHy do you think we have al these killings in schools ? It's because of the evil philosophies they teach them. I think it's highly irresponsible to send kids into this kind of hostile environment.

I think God will be mad at those people who were supprting this diabolical system. I know I would be if I was God.

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Everyone has posed good reasons for both sides of the argument, but as for myself I think I'm going to believe the evolution theory until something more logical comes along...and I don't think that I'd find that in creationism.

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JimF: we live in a democracy where the public votes and everyones ideas establish a "norm". If people really though that public school were making children go to hell, wouldn't you think they would vote on it and change something???

If you want to have such a strict culture that revolves around religion (your only facts) then more to some 3rd world contry or become muslim and go to the middle east.

How old are you JimF, sounds like to me you didn't have fun when you were / are in public schools. They were the best days of my life, well, college is fun too, just the studying part.

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Originally posted by Borg77

You might be right about evidence being hundreds out of date. But that doesn't mean they can't be analyzed with today's technology. The shroud of Tourin is a good example of how today's technology has analyzed the cloth that Jesus was buried in. You can come up with your own conclusions and opinions.

The Shroud Of Tourin

How is the Shroud of Tourin a proof of Creationism? If anything it was proven to be a 13th century fake thus this is a good disproof of creationism.

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OMFG!

What's up this week? WTF.

You can't even leave this forum for 2 hrs, when you come back there's another thread spawned with 6 pages of stupid counter-arguing of two groups that are logically not compatible.

Hmmm...

FUN!

Keep it up, I'm having a nice laugh (...I am evolutionist and atheist).

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Originally posted by JimF

TR: If fire department didn't do it's job and instead were setting houses on fire, would it be OK to demand that it be shut down ?

If the Police department didn't do their job and instead were robing people, would it be OK to demand that it be shut down ?

If the roads were bad, would be OK to demand somebody else gets to take care of it ?

Need I say more ?

Now we know that public schools are not about educating the kids, they don't care about your child, all they care is to indoctrinate as many people as possible into their warped philosophies, in other words they are creating children of Hell.

THose few examples you gave about how great some teachers are doesn't change a thing. The whole system is rotten. WHy do you think we have al these killings in schools ? It's because of the evil philosophies they teach them. I think it's highly irresponsible to send kids into this kind of hostile environment.

I think God will be mad at those people who were supprting this diabolical system. I know I would be if I was God.

I think that the excuse that kids shoot up schools because of videogames is all worn out. I do not think that is an issue here, I would agree that it contributes to the problem just like MANY other factors.

I personally own 3D shooters and have seen enough violence in the world in front of me or on the TV yet I do not take it upon myself to harm others. Many others can back me up here too.

I believe that people who do feel they have to shoot up their peers are sick and have (been) denied help. Thats another issue here.

There are also plenty of people in trustworthy positions (ie: The Church) who misuse their position and are found to be child molestors! This cannot be blamed on one specific group at all.

I think you need to tone down JimF, there are some valid arguments here but your posts are starting to sound a little towards oppression.

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Now we know that public schools are not about educating the kids, they don't care about your child, all they care is to indoctrinate as many people as possible into their warped philosophies, in other words they are creating children of Hell.

Don't care? Indoctrination? Children of hell?

Are you on crack?

I think this discussion is going a lil' too far now.

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username: I'm not for a strict culture, I am for freedom. Public schools are not freedom, because they are forcing young people into them. Many people would like to choose their own schools, but they can't because of the high taxes they have to pay for the public schools.

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JimF. You are truly the most ignorant person I have met in the 21st century. That is all. You aren't LISTENING to anyone AT ALL. Look at your posts, they don't respond to anything - they just spout more ignorant BULL****.

Go back to school.

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Originally posted by silly_walk

At least it is analyzing something that can be held and proven to exist, not like a belief.

I knew a Jehovah's Witness who told me that Jurassic Park was slightly blasphemous to him because dinosuars could not have existed millions of years ago because the bible says that the earth is only 7000 years old. He said that carbon dating was not reliable because no one could measure a unit of time great enough to establish that fossils are that old. I explained that you don't need to measure an hour if you can measure a minute and multiply by 60. Then I mentioned the Shroud of Turin. He looks at me and says, "But they proved that was fake" and I said, "Yes, and with the same process that proves dinosaur bones are millions of years old". He went away, not liking that one bit.

I wouldn't press my luck and believe that carbon dating can accurately help evolution back up its claim since it relies on it big time. Read this article. Really quite enlightening.

INACCURATE DATING METHODS

If carbon dating couldn't prove the shroud of tourin then how can it actually prove dinosaur bones existed millions of years ago.

A quote from the Proceedings of the 12th Nobel Symposium. "If a carbon-14 date supports our theories we put it in the main text; if it doesn't entirely contradict them we put it in a footnote; if it is completely out of date we just drop it."

So, how do we know that evolutionists just pick the carbon-14 dates and then just smooth it over with some sort of sugar coating?

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Tip #1: If you plan to shoot someone first go out and buy yourself a copy of Unreal tournament, that way you can blame it on the game and get away with it.

Tip #2: Evolution is a trademarked game so you can't talk about it unless you own a copy.

Tip #3: If you own a copy of an M$ O$ your evolution is controled by M$ and you can get it by regular downloads at

windowsupdate.com

Tip #4: If your kid is playing some quake3 you better sleep with a kevlar vest after you have an argument with him

There are of course many more pointers to go by but these should suffice for a normal life in society lol

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Originally posted by JimF

Actually Shroud of Turin is not fake. It's real. The dating test they did was a total fraud. Plus carbon dating mathod is not accurate at all.

If you dont start backing up your statements with fact I might have to consider your membership here. The above quote is disruptive and proves nothing without you backing up your statements.

You also failed to respond to my earlier post when I quoted you direct. Need I remind you I am admin.

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Originally posted by Borg77

If carbon dating couldn't prove the shroud of tourin then how can it actually prove dinosaur bones existed millions of years ago.

A quote from the Proceedings of the 12th Nobel Symposium. "If a carbon-14 date supports our theories we put it in the main text; if it doesn't entirely contradict them we put it in a footnote; if it is completely out of date we just drop it."

So, how do we know that evolutionists just pick the carbon-14 dates and then just smooth it over with some sort of sugar coating?

You will notice that I said that the Shroud WAS proven fake by the same methods that say that dinosaurs existed millions of years ago.

Are you going to tell me next that people who lived in biblical times really did live to be 900 years old? This is another assertion made in the bible.

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