Evolution, 2 cents.


Recommended Posts

Do you know that "scientists" throughout the history were mostly wrong ?

Here is a short list:

They used to teach Earth was flat

They used to teach Earth was in the center of the Universe

They used to teach that heavier objects fall faster then the lighter

They used to teach that if a person was sick they needed to drain his blood, they did this for almost hundred years. This is how George Washington died.

And now they teach we evolved from a bacteria.

In light of all of this why should I even listen to this buffoons anymore ?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Originally posted by TimeRider

No . . . you're putting your words.

They're still your words.

Maybe because we like to credit man for the good and blame God for the bad. Maybe because we take good for granted and are only aware of the human condition when suffering is allowed.

I've seen plenty of people give credit for their success to their god.

Says you . . . If you feel that the only purpose of a supreme being is to rain down fire and brimstone as a behavior modification tool then you don't understand faith very well.

Vengence is mine sayth the Lord....

I understand religious faith perfectly. It is to believe without really questioning what one is being told.

"Human life and destiny is always endangered when prophets of

whatever sort demand, 'Frage nicht, glaube!' Do not question.

Believe!"

-Jack Forstman

Be that as it may for someone arguing the scientific point of view you certainly lack the understanding of something as basic as instinct. Human beings have very few instincts. The threshold for determining an instict is simple . . .

Thanks for proving my point. You're in denile.

We're an adaptive species that responds to drives like hunger and procreation. We have a great deal of free will with the exception of those who live under a regime that stifles free will. Beyond that man as a species, being at the top of the food change we have complete and total free will.

Who said that we're at the top of the foodchain?

Thanks for clearing that up . . . I have no clue what compartmentalization has to do with my statement, but clear thinking has not been your trademark thus far so I'll take your word for it that at least one of us has an idea of what you're talking about.

It certainly isn't you. Anyone who can still believe in an invisible sky father and say that he is a clear thinker can only have everything he says being suspect.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

At least the scientifics spent further research into it and accepted the new 'truth' while the church did try to falsify their new experience.

Well, actually, do you know what? Do to the edge of your flat world and jump of it.

And btw, 'Center on the Universe' and 'Flat Earth' came from the church.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Originally posted by JimF

Do you know that "scientists" throughout the history were mostly wrong ?

Here is a short list:

They used to teach Earth was flat

They used to teach Earth was in the center of the Universe

They used to teach that heavier objects fall faster then the lighter

And they all learned from their mistakes as newer data came in. That is one of the many strengths of science, it is willing to learn and move on. Even when the Church demanded that science continue believing in incorrect data. I.E. Galileo. Religion is cut in stone and is unwilling to learn or move on.

They used to teach that if a person was sick they needed to drain his blood, they did this for almost hundred years. This is how George Washington died.

See above.

And now they teach we evolved from a bacteria.

Do you read many creationist cartoon strips?

In light of all of this why should I even listen to this buffoons anymore ?

You're right, you shouldn't listen to creationists.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

denile
I thought denile was a river in Egypt.
Vengence is mine sayth the Lord....

The reference is to point out that we, as people should not judge each other, that in the end God will judge all. Not that he would come down daily and spank us as arrogant children.

Thanks for proving my point.
Next time paste the whole passage, including the part that shows your knowledge of science is limited. On your best day . . . you'd have trouble keeping up with me on my worst. But that's a whole new thread.
Who said that we're at the top of the foodchain?

Pretty much anybody who thinks about it for a second. We have the ability to kill pretty much everything including each other, I'd say that qualifies.

It certainly isn't you. Anyone who can still believe in an invisible sky father and say that he is a clear thinker can only have everything he says being suspect.

True enough . . . I don't expect anyone to take my word for it. But neither do I routinely insult people when they disagree with me. But since you seem to feel that lends validity to your arguments, I'll make an exception. At least I know how to spell. Your fuzzy logic smacks of an old latin ailment:

Caranus Anus Invertus.

-TR

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Originally posted by JimF

I wonder if evolutionists would die for evolution.

No, we wouldn't. That's the whole point. Evolution is what we think happened based on the facts and evidence that have been discovered so far. If there was a discovery tomorrow that completely discredited evolution and strongly indicated all species were sent here from Mars in flying bannanas, so be it.

There is not the emotional investment in evolution that there is in creationism. It's the facts that matter.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I'm open to religious freedom. If you want to belive what your religion teaches you I have no problem with that at all. I just ask that no one discounts the evidence that exists for evolution. If after reading the evidence for evolution, you still don't belive in it, I'm okay with it. I for one, am a strong proponent of evolution and I think enough evidence exists to allow it to stand as a theory (as I explained in my earlier post there IS a difference in scientific proof and theory).

What I would like to know is what people of other religions believe. Surely, there must be Buddhists, followers of Islam, Judaism, etc. here on the forum. Personally speaking, since this thread has followed some thoughts on religious beliefs, I'd like to hear what followers of other relgions have to say about evolution.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

NOS482: What is your best evidence for evolution ? Can you tell me ?

Is it that old tired bacteria becommng resistant to drugs ? Or is it the variety of dogs, finches, cows, etc. ... we see today ? Is this your best evidence ? You keep talking about the facts, so where are they ? Give me your best example of how the first cell could have evolved from nonliving material ? What did apple tree evolve from ? How did male and female evolve ?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

If there was a discovery tomorrow that completely discredited evolution and strongly indicated all species were sent here from Mars in flying bannanas, so be it.

LOL . . . Fabulous! I Love it!

Speaking for myself . . . and myself alone . . . I do not believe that the theory of evolution and the belief in creation are mutually exclusive. For those who have chosen to rant and rave and belittle my beliefs, I would point out that I have NEVER in this thread said that evolution was not a plausible theory. I think it could be . . .

I merely contend that there is a God, and if in fact evolution is the explaination for our presence here in this form, then it was God's will.

-TR

P.S. Creation IS a belief . . . and Evolution IS a theory . . . no arguement there.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Just to illustrate a point . . . not all things that exist can be proven emprically.

Love is a classic example. Haven't any of you ever loved someone so much that it literally hurt to be apart from them . . . that there was an emptiness, an ache inside when you weren't with them? How do you explain this? It isn't simply a sexual attraction since it is also present in parents and children not just lovers.

Man isn't simply a physical being, we are spritual beings as well.

-TR

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Tom Servo: I don't have the proof for creationism either, BUT I don't spent your tax dollars to promote creationism in schools.

All I want is to stop my tax dollars from being spent on promoting evolution philosophy. I just don't think it's fair. If you want to teach it then fine, but do it in your own private schools and YOU pay for it.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Sorry Jim . . . but I think you're wrong there. As long as evolution is taught as a theory, it has every right being taught in the public schools.

As far as your tax dollars go, you benefit from the advantages of your society beyond education. If your house starts on fire, some guys in a truck come and put it out. They don't present you with a bill, even if the fire is a result of your own ignorance.

As a mamber of a society you cannot pick and choose what you want "your" contribution to support. We all agree that we will accept the consensus of the majority . . . sometimes we benefit directly, sometimes we don't. If you don't like it, buy an island and form your own society.

-TR

Link to comment
Share on other sites

TimeRider: Fine, but if you gonna teach evolution then give equal time to creationism also. And don't present evolution as a fact. Present it as a theory that has not been proven. In other words don't LIE to the kids. Is it too much to ask to teach the kids the truth ?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Originally posted by JimF

TimeRider: Fine, but if you gonna teach evolution then give equal time to creationism also. And don't present evolution as a fact. Present it as a theory that has not been proven. In other words don't LIE to the kids. Is it too much to ask to teach the kids the truth ?

You can't give them equal time. One is a religious belief, and one is a scientific theory. You would also have to give my Flying Martian Banannas equal time, because there is just as much evidence supporting it as there is supporting creationism.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Sorry again Jim . . . But I am a firm believer in the seperation of Church and State. Teaching divine creation . . . which is a belief system . . . should not be done in a public school that is representitive of many, may faiths as well as the absence of faith. Divine creation should be taught in Chrurch and the home at the descretion of the Parent.

I agree that the point should be clearly made that Evolution is a theory, and that the facts that point towards it should be presented as evidence, and that the loopholes in the theory should be presented as well.

The improtant thing is for schools to teach our kids to be free thinkers and not accept something as fact simply because it happens to be reduced to writing.

Teaching religious concepts in the schools, as factual, leads to fanaticism. The long standing conflict in Israel is living breathing proof that a Religious State is a bad idea.

-TR

Link to comment
Share on other sites

TurdFerg: Evolution is not proven theory, the same way as creation is not. I asked many times for proof for evolution and I got none. Evolution is just about as rediculous as your Flying Martian Banannas.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

JimF: yeah because neowin.net is a good place to get your crusade started against evolution being taught in public school. You know its funny how it is taught in Catholic schools also. As well are major Christian universities such as BYU and ND.

Here is another fact supporting evolution:

Whales are mammals that live their entire life in the ocean and breathe air using lungs (same as you), cannot live on land at all. Some whales have PELVIC BONES. These bones serve no function what so ever because whales do not have legs. However, mammals do have pelvic bones and have legs breath air, have hair, live offspring, mammary glands, Type I. So, the creator who magically made whales somehow put in a now recessive gene that allows for the development of pelvic bones? I don?t think so, again, another proof of evolution.

Also, don?t you think its strange how all mammals embryonic fluid has the same salinity and contents as the salt water oceans of the world.

Or how all living vertebrates have the same basic embryology?

Again, some more FACTS I would like to throw your way.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Originally posted by JimF

TimeRider: Fine, but if you gonna teach evolution then give equal time to creationism also. And don't present evolution as a fact. Present it as a theory that has not been proven. In other words don't LIE to the kids. Is it too much to ask to teach the kids the truth ?

If creationism has to be given "equal time" than so does every other creation myth as well and there are over 150 different creation myths in the world now. Plus you would also have to give "equal time" to Astrology and Alchmey as well since they are so-called alternatives to Astronomy and Chemistry as well.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Originally posted by JimF

TurdFerg: Evolution is not proven theory, the same way as creation is not. I asked many times for proof for evolution and I got none. Evolution is just about as rediculous as your Flying Martian Banannas.

You are yet another person who doesn't know what the term theory means in a scientific context. It is much more than a guess.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Jim . . .

I don't think that any of the Evolutionists have said that it is a fact. What I am hearing is that evolution is a theory, for which a significant amount of evidence has been gathered that would tend to support it. I think that is a fair statement.

It doesn't mean that it has been proven, only that emperical evidence to the contrary, has not been found either.

I would suggest to you that Christianity is a belief in which tolerance is a fundamental idea.

I think my beliefs as a Christian mandate that I listen to reasonable people and afford them the repect their beliefs deserve.

Even in the Bible it is said that bearing witness is kind of like being Johnny Appleseed. You spread the Word, sometimes it falls on fertile soil and sometimes it falls on stone. One takes root the other does not. Nowhere does it tell us the bash the stone to rubble in order for the Word to take root.

The bulk of these people are reasonable and intelligent. If you disagree with them so be it . . . If you want to state your case . . . please do. But don't try to convince them of something that they don't believe. And calling their beliefs ridiculous . . . well there's no percentage in that.

JMHO

-TR

Link to comment
Share on other sites

This topic is now closed to further replies.
  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.