Evolution, 2 cents.


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There is no doubt that some organs and bone structures are NOW useless to the human body.

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The os coccyx (tail bone) is virtually a useless structure in the body now and I will not disagree that there is no need for it.

Why is it there then? Just for fun? Coz it was full moon when I was born? And why are some useless NOW? Did they have a purpose before? Why did they disappear? Is that 'Decreation'?

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Finally! After a grueling 15 minutes of research, I have the proof I need to support my Flying Martian Banana Hypothesis© !

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I demand this be placed into every science textbook now!

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Originally posted by superbeast

Actually that's a common myth. Da Vinci's greatest supporter was Rome, and although some individual sects of the Church were set against scientific progress (regardless of the official position of Rome), the renaissance was pretty much funded by Church sponsored Universities.

As with all of history, the bad usually is all that's remembered...

Actually the main reason why the Church funded this was that they wanted to use science as a means to prove their beliefs, but by the time they realized that science could only do the opposite it was far too late to stop it.

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Originally posted by postertoad

If there is a path to "God", science is it.

Actually, no. The more we learn through science the less we need of god and religion to explain things.

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Think about it.

cult n

1. a system of religious or spiritual beliefs, especially an informal and transient belief system regarded by others as misguided or unorthodox

2. a group of people who share religious or spiritual beliefs

3. extreme or excessive admiration for a person, philosophy of life, or activity (often used before a noun)

4. a person, philosophy, or activity regarded with extreme or excessive admiration

5. something popular or fashionable among a devoted group of enthusiasts (often used before a noun)

6. a body of organized practices and beliefs supposed to involve interaction with and control over supernatural powers

7. a self-identified group of people who share a narrowly defined interest or perspective

Encarta? World English Dictionary ? 1999 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved. Developed for Microsoft by Bloomsbury Publishing Plc.

all of those things can be applied to Christians, Muslims, Jews, Catholics and Hindus yet whenever one of your minor league messiahs try to get in the religion game they are wiped out and called a cult.

Pretty Hypocritical I think.

http://narrowgate.net/~bsnider/Catholiccult.html

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all of those things can be applied to Christians, Muslims, Jews, Catholics and Hindus

Not all, but some do.

Actually some of them apply to those who support evolution as well.

-TR

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Refuting the bacteria evolution example.

I go back to the bacterai example becomming resistant to certain drugs which evolutionists claim is a proof for evolution. Well, it's not. It's just adaptation, it is still a bacteria.

I watch a guy on TV who used to inject Cobra venom into his body for many years, now he is totally resistant to Cobra venom He got bitten by Cobras and didn't die. Totally immune. So is he evolving ? NO ! It just adaptation, just like the bacterai example.

It's funny how easy it is to refute evolutionists claims with a little common sense.

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Originally posted by JimF

Refuting the bacteria evolution example.

I go back to the bacterai example becomming resistant to certain drugs which evolutionists claim is a proof for evolution. Well, it's not. It's just adaptation, it is still a bacteria.

I watch a guy on TV who used to inject Cobra venom into his body for many years, now he is totally resistant to Cobra venom He got bitten by Cobras and didn't die. Totally immune. So is he evolving ? NO ! It just adaptation, just like the bacterai example.

It's funny how easy it is to refute evolutionists claims with a little common sense.

ok then JimF if you want to prove a point explain this.

If you say that the big bang theory is bull****, then who made God?

Obviously going by your theory God is the creator so if he created everything did he manage to make himself as well, or did he just wink into being?

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That's good kitten . . .

"wink into being . . . I like that!"

But seriously, the same questions could be posed to the evolutionists . . . where did the amenoacids (sp) in the primordial ooz come from?

It is exactly the inability of science to answer those questions, that leads some people to faith for answers.

We will probably never know where we came from or why . . . no matter how much research we do. We cannot explain how we came to be here!

Even if we accept the Big Bang as a theory, what was there before the Bang and what caused it to go Bang?

Science, always leaves an unanswered question.

-TR

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Originally posted by TimeRider

Science, always leaves an unanswered question.

Yes, but it also tries to answer that question by doing further study rather than saying:

'wow, that's complicated. God must have done it'

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I don't subscribe to the idea that it's the complexity of an issue that leads to a leap of faith, but your oversimplification is not wholly inaccurate.

I wasn't trying to evaluate the relative merits of science, only to illustrate that it is often our inability to answer a question empirically that leads to a conclusion that the answer lies elswhere, beyond the realm of science.

-TR

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Originally posted by JimF

Refuting the bacteria evolution example.

I go back to the bacterai example becomming resistant to certain drugs which evolutionists claim is a proof for evolution. Well, it's not. It's just adaptation, it is still a bacteria.

I watch a guy on TV who used to inject Cobra venom into his body for many years, now he is totally resistant to Cobra venom He got bitten by Cobras and didn't die. Totally immune. So is he evolving ? NO ! It just adaptation, just like the bacterai example.

It's funny how easy it is to refute evolutionists claims with a little common sense.

Hardly. Evolutionary adaptation is passed along through the genes. He may pass the anti-bodies he aquired to his children.

You still don't (probably won't) understand exactly what evolution is. Read those links I had seen you.

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Originally posted by TimeRider

That's good kitten . . .

"wink into being . . . I like that!"

But seriously, the same questions could be posed to the evolutionists . . . where did the amenoacids (sp) in the primordial ooz come from?

It is exactly the inability of science to answer those questions, that leads some people to faith for answers.

We will probably never know where we came from or why . . . no matter how much research we do. We cannot explain how we came to be here!

Even if we accept the Big Bang as a theory, what was there before the Bang and what caused it to go Bang?

Science, always leaves an unanswered question.

-TR

What does the Big Bang have to do with evolution?

Plus, it is not the function of evolution to answer how life started, only how it came to be like it is now.

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What does the Big Bang have to do with evolution?

Dude . . . even evolution had to have a beginning! I think that the most widely accepted theory right now is a Big Bang.

And I disagree . . . the question of creation versus evolution really does come down to that simple concept . . .

Where did we come from?

-TR

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Originally posted by TimeRider

Dude . . . even evolution had to have a beginning! I think that the most widely accepted theory right now is a Big Bang.

And I disagree . . . the question of creation versus evolution really does come down to that simple concept . . .

Where did we come from?

-TR

The only question evolution anwers is how we came to be like we are, not how it all started. That is a total unknown.

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what is evolution but adaption. Stupid bible pushers and so far just can't see that their can be evolution and GOD. ITs not that hard to think about. God created evolution just like he did physics. Even humans adapt. there has been a recent study that showed humans are changing their dominate finger from the pointer to the thumb. Where does it say in the bible to refute evolution.

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NOS482: "The only question evolution anwers is how we came to be like we are, not how it all started. That is a total unknown."

Then don't call it science then. And don't use my tax $$$ to teach this stuff in schools as a proven a fact.

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Creation has nothing to do with the Bible. Even without it a normal rational human being should be able to figure out that somebody had to create this world. Things don't just happen out of the blue.

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Originally posted by JimF

Creation has nothing to do with the Bible. Even without it a normal rational human being should be able to figure out that somebody had to create this world. Things don't just happen out of the blue.

Why not? Things happen out of the blue all of the time.

OK. A rational person sees the world around them and doesn't understand it. Would they come up with:

'Things change over time'

OR

'There is a supernatural being somewhere that must have 'zapped' all of these things here.'

OR

'All of these things came here from Mars in flying bananas'

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Vlad;

Excuse me if I'm a little unclear on your last post.

You seem to;

a.) Support evolution.

b.) Believe in the existance of God.

c.) Claim to pity anyone that believes both?

What am I missing here? Was your post mis-typed, or are you making a different point that I have missed altogether?

No flames here, just asking nice....

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there has been a recent study that showed humans are changing their dominate finger from the pointer to the thumb

Picking my nose just became a whole lot harder.

-TR

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