skooter Posted April 19, 2002 Share Posted April 19, 2002 you want flaming? you ain't seen nothin' yet. go to isonews.com and have a look what goes on in those forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dARKSTAr Posted April 19, 2002 Share Posted April 19, 2002 TimeRider...that was very well said. However, the problem was that charliebrown and JimF were spamming the boards with this nonsense. It wasn't done in the spirit of learning or communicating ideas, it was done with the intention (and i fully believe this) to degrade a community that they were new to and didn't care about. I don't preach my religious philosophy to anyone else unless they ask what i believe in. I believe that my religious viewpoints are my own and my spiritual relationships are private. That being said, i don't believe that everyone here believes that the christians of this forum were trying to shove their viewpoints down everyone's throats. However, it does tend to give that impression when there were so many threads open and a lot of you were responding in each thread. Then it sure can look like religion is being force fed to us. The whole problem could have been avoided if two things would have happened. One, have only one thread about evolution. Two, when the second thread was opened, and the third and the fourth, don't respond to it and report the new thread to a moderator. If you don't respond to such threads, then they die, the moderators will deal with the situation appropriately and we have no problem. To then hear you complain that we think all christians are nut cases seems humorous to me. What are we supposed to think when you are all responding in similiar threads. And responding isn't even the word. Both sides were preaching their dogma to the other side mostly without regard to what was being said. I agree with jesterzwild. Neowin would be boring if it was only about tech related stuff. I like the general forum. But when people come and post with the sole intention of disrupting this community, a place that a lot of us care about, then they've crossed the line and have to be dealt with. Regardless of their viewpoints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimeRider Posted April 19, 2002 Share Posted April 19, 2002 dARKSTAr: I wasn't complaining in the least. I said I felt bad. I don't see how that can be interpreted as complaining. I have always respected your opinion, but I don't think you're being fair to me in this regard. I also don't feel I was preaching to anyone at all. In fact I think I disagreed most strongly with JimF and his approach to education than anything else. Be that as it may, my feelings remain that General Discussion should remain open to philisophical pursuits as well. -TR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tai Posted April 19, 2002 Share Posted April 19, 2002 well I wasn't so happy about some of the stuff on neowin recently, but I've decided to adopt Neobonds advice and just ignore useless & spam orientatied threads.... and I'm keepin away from the extra-provocative ones too cause I initially came here to get advice & help and hope I've given a little back in my few posts. After these past few days especially I think that the mods will be keeping an extra eye on threads, and I'm happy at that... oh.. and it's good to see that Keldyn's back !:D :D :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dARKSTAr Posted April 19, 2002 Share Posted April 19, 2002 TimeRider...I think you are taking my comments too personally. Maybe "complain" wasn't the right word on my part. I did think that what you said for the most part was very well thought out. I don't think there were or are many people who generalize christians here. I agree that as you said "Not all Christians are fanatics. We aren't all deluded. We aren't all trying to shove our belief system down anyone's throat." You might be surprised to find out that my feelings on the matter (meaning evolution and creationism) are close to your feelings about the issue. What the majority of people were upset about was the number of posts on the same subject. In the threads i thought your posts were well thought out as always. However, i think that a lot of other people who were posting in the threads, weren't talking to each other, but at each other. And they bear some of the responsibility for why the threads got out of contol. IMHO, not enough spoke up when multiple threads were posted on the same subject, they simply responded about the content of the threads. Please understand, this is not meant as criticism towards you, and if you feel i was being critical, I'm sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudy Posted April 19, 2002 Share Posted April 19, 2002 the only reason neowin changed that much is because when it first started it was a really small website with not that much traffic (well at least compared to now....) but now neowin just got MUCH bigger so there's more ppl....what dos that mean ?? more spam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neowin_hipster Posted April 19, 2002 Share Posted April 19, 2002 Yeah, I've been coming to this site for quite a while, and even since november we've gained around 10,000. I guess with size, comes bloat. The general forum has suffered but the rest of the site is flourishing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h71y6 Posted April 19, 2002 Share Posted April 19, 2002 ah... it just struck me... the General Discussion, Media Room and Joke Forum are just distractions for the spammers and trolls to waste their posts/threads on!.... that'll leave the other forums void of these spams and relatively clean! hmmm did Neobond and Redmak plan this, or was it just a fluke? Neo, answar meh!! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timan Veteran Posted April 19, 2002 Veteran Share Posted April 19, 2002 neowin was 10x better in oct :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-LineD Posted April 19, 2002 Share Posted April 19, 2002 It's cool to have a one-stop web to discuss about computers in general OR if you are plain bored post in the general section Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elduderino Posted April 19, 2002 Share Posted April 19, 2002 Its a General Disscussion forum, so yes. The techie stuff, hopefully should stay techie. All the general talk would stay in the general forum and then everyone is happy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
altezza Veteran Posted April 19, 2002 Veteran Share Posted April 19, 2002 I want Neowin forum remained to be mostly computer related stuff, but other than that all general stuff can be freely discussed in General Discussion. The majority of Neowin site is all about computer so I want the Neowin forum to be mostly about computer stuff so I don't feel any objection to any other non-computer discussion to be discussed in this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krome Posted April 19, 2002 Share Posted April 19, 2002 Yes. General Discussion is right. But should that discussion contradict the rule's forum, the mod still have the right to cease its fire. General Discussion does not mean it is open to contradicting the board's rule. Rules are rules. Yes, I do believe we all have the right to speak our mind but, within the guideline of the board rule. This is why the rule should be enforced by the mods and admin. A society is weak and easily circum to destruction if the law is not enforced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven P. Administrators Posted April 19, 2002 Administrators Share Posted April 19, 2002 I dont think Neowin has taken any new direction at all.. In my 1.5 years of Neowin I have seen certain "phases" of the forums wherein all of a sudden a certain topic becomes popular (usually because of the obsession of a new member who starts many topics on his fasination). We have had to take on more mods to try to stay in line with the ever growing community and we have also seen splinter groups "rebel" off Neowin forums to start their own communties (I just wish they would stay over there :p) Our growing problem is the constant bitching of certain members who seem to contradict all that the mods do. if there are not threads about Neowin stopping religous and political discussion there are threads that say Neowin "censors" discussion by locking or deleting the threads. In my opinion we can never win, so we try to seek a happy medium. Like I have also said many times, the people who post here ARE the community, so if there is a problem, you are possibly part of it.. Look to your own actions before you accuse another of wrong doing. I would also like to post this link which has seen FAR less views than I expected, the title is clear yet the people who preach loudest about the state of the community don't seem to be proving a point when a contriversial thread gets 100's of views and my one gets a whole lot less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fr33k Posted April 19, 2002 Share Posted April 19, 2002 maybe you need a useless drivel forum. that way the mods will know where to put useless post :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
configure Veteran Posted April 19, 2002 Veteran Share Posted April 19, 2002 neowin was 10x better in octWhat are the differences between Neowin in Oct and Neowin now? I'm curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Anarkii Subscriber² Posted April 19, 2002 Subscriber² Share Posted April 19, 2002 Ive been part of the Neowin community for about 1.3 years, and since then iv'e seen Neowin.net become more profressionally run. The mods do a great job with news, posting, and keeping us all in line, and they're friendly helpful and insiteful attitude is what keeps Neowin apart from the other sites. When I first signed up here, there wasnt much of a community at all, if memory serves me correct, I think there was like 700ish members and the forums were pretty ... well.. dead compared to today. What made us come back is the news that was reported, and how we were given the chance to comment on that news. If any of us were to trade links to download files that is against the rules here, we were still free to do so though the private messageing service also here. Neowin.net is great for the online community where all we want is a place to hang out, catch up, and meet new friends. That is exactly what Neobond and Redmak have deleivered to us. Also the fact that everything here is free, I think we should all do more to help this site and community grow. Also, i've also noticed that the site has grown (bloated) a bit, but as someone said earlier, with size comes features. Neowin and its members have innovated a few things, most recent being the Neowin IE toolbar (which is awsome btw!). Sure there is fighting and bitching in the forums, thats to be expected with such high numbers of members, but think about it, I personally think that the guys are doing something right running the site or we all wouldnt keep coming back! Anyway Neobond and Redmak , and the rest of the Neowin crew, on behalf of the great members here, I think i speak for all of us when I say your doing a great job here and to keep it up, as your site, its members, its reputation, and its innovation can only grow. - Chris, proud Neowin member. P.S. :p 2 Configure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h71y6 Posted April 19, 2002 Share Posted April 19, 2002 Derek Proud member of Neowin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redmak Administrators Posted April 19, 2002 Administrators Share Posted April 19, 2002 Are you happy with the new direction Neowin has taken? I'm always happy, no matter what :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
configure Veteran Posted April 19, 2002 Veteran Share Posted April 19, 2002 Anyway Neobond and Redmack, *cough*Redmak*cough* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prasanth Posted April 19, 2002 Share Posted April 19, 2002 im happy:):):) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
werejag Posted April 19, 2002 Share Posted April 19, 2002 prasanth16, i know this is off topic but how do you get you sigs to rotate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redmak Administrators Posted April 19, 2002 Administrators Share Posted April 19, 2002 werejag, check this https://www.neowin.net/bboard/showthread.ph...&threadid=22689 :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
altezza Veteran Posted April 19, 2002 Veteran Share Posted April 19, 2002 Yeah, I am happy with whatever Neowin has right now. Keep our member happy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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