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  1. 1. do you believe in god?

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Also wrong so so wrong.  :sleep:

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I'm catholic, and I am most definitely a christian. Sorry buddy, but Protestants (that is, any non-catholic christian, not just the Protestants) don't have a monopoly on JC.

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is the synagogue of the christian jews the same as 'jews for jesus'?? because 'jews for jesus' always made me giggle.  It just seems so oxymoronic.

Oh, and I think your post might throw amdme into a wild frenzy :D

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ah- thx :D

i had forgotten what they were called- yeah- that's what i meant :cool:

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god doesn't believe in atheists, therefore atheists don't exist

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It would be more apt to say, from the christian point of view, that god believes in everyone, just some people don't believe in him.

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No im not you dont no anything about what I believe you just use a web page to look up what you think I believe. If you not religious its even extra harder for me to get my point across. I know many Religions are alike cause once apon a time ther was only one and people got lazy so they made their own interpretations of the Bible. So I see where your confused. Not all religions go word by word from the Bible like they should. I dont see the big deal hear if you dont believe in God just droop this argument its point less. Im not tryn to be an ass im sorry if I sounded like one.

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Ok, fine. Answer me this one question:

Do you believe in the writings of the New Testament and do you believe Jesus Christ is the son of God and your savior?

Anyone that answers yes to this question is a Christian, regardless of anything else they may believe in, what version of the Bible they go by, how strictly they interpret the Bible, whether they wipe their ass one way or another, and whether they like to eat coco-puffs with gay guys. It's a simple matter of the definition of the word.

Ok, I'm done.

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It would be more apt to say, from the christian point of view,  that god believes in everyone, just some people don't believe in him.

i concur. i definately don't want to be believing in a god that doesn't demonstrate more love than a normal human can display.

loving all people, including all those that hate or purposely don't care about you is a pretty supernatural feat i think.

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k- here's the problem.

you're sayign that your denomination is 'more christian' than the catholic chuch- because god knows they're idol worshiping ******s from hell rite?

if u really want to get into the debate as to which church is closer to the origins of christianity the catholics are closer with synagog of the christian jews being closest.

so if i were to argue from your mindset u're not a christian at all- and neither am i.

i like gay coco puffs.

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Well ok good point. My beliefs go as fowallows I dont take bits and pices of the Bible and mold it to my likeing like a Jew or Catholic or a Christian. I dont believe half of the bible and discard the rest like a jew. Jews dont believe that Jesus came and died but they read the Bible whats the point if you dont think that parts real what makes them believe the rest and dont get me started on that kosher ****. They can eat Pork its unclean no it not new testament says pork is clean to eat no more KOSHER. But no some people like to live the old testament ways like Jews.

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Ok, fine.? Answer me this one question:

Do you believe in the writings of the New Testament and do you believe Jesus Christ is the son of God and your savior?

Anyone that answers yes to this question is a Christian, regardless ofanything> else they may believe in, what version of the Bible they go by, how strictly they interpret the Bible, whether they wipe their ass one way or another, and whether they like to eat coco-puffs with gay guys.? It's a simple matter of thdefinitionb> of the word.?

Ok, I'm done.

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Why are you getting mad I already told you like 5 times what I believe in what more do you want? You want my coco puffs huh?

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Well ok good point. My beliefs go as fowallows I dont take bits and pices of the Bible and mold it to my likeing like a Jew or Catholic or a Christian. I dont believe half of the bible and discard the rest like a jew. Jews dont believe that Jesus came and died but they read the Bible whats the point if you dont think that parts real what makes them believe the rest and dont get me started on that  kosher ****. They can eat Pork its unclean no it not new testament says pork is clean to eat no more KOSHER. But no some people like to live the old testament ways like Jews.

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this is going to b taken wrong by most rite off- ppl, don't flame.

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Yes I do realize I used to study other religions in school. Im just sayn im not a Catholic and just because I believe Jesus is my personal savior dose not make me Catholic and a Christian and a Catholic beliefs are different I know cause im Christian. Im the type that only believs in new testament salvation. That means its not by works but by faith and you must be baptized in the name of Jesus and only in the name of Jesus cause Jesus died for you not the Father or the Holy Ghost. Its by the blood of Jesus we are saved so you only use his name. But we pray to the Father to recive the gift of the Holy Gost. If I dont make my self clear im sorry but I dont know how else to explane it.

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Man, someone failed theology 101.

We as catholics worship the sacrifice that christ made for us as part of the new covenant. Christ is our savior. We don't use his name only. We worship christ as part of the holy trinity: god the father, jesus the son, and the holy spirit.

So you worship the son, we worship the father. I don't see a real big difference there, it's semantics. Both are means to worshiping God.

I can forgive your ignorance of Christian history.

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Well ok good point. My beliefs go as fowallows I dont take bits and pices of the Bible and mold it to my likeing like a Jew or Catholic or a Christian. I dont believe half of the bible and discard the rest like a jew. Jews dont believe that Jesus came and died but they read the Bible whats the point if you dont think that parts real what makes them believe the rest and dont get me started on that  kosher ****. They can eat Pork its unclean no it not new testament says pork is clean to eat no more KOSHER. But no some people like to live the old testament ways like Jews.

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Jews don't actually 'discard the rest'- it's that there's no addition.

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i concur. i definately don't want to be believing in a god that doesn't demonstrate more love than a normal human can display.

loving all people, including all those that hate or purposely don't care about you is a pretty supernatural feat i think.

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love is great. i'm all for love, but then i hear of supposedly religious people who become hate-mongers because of a supposed "righteousness" on the part of their belief, namely that god loves a specific set of human beings (contra homosexuals, etc.). that's a conditional love, one that pales in comparison to some human love i've witnessed.

there are still yet other people, lao tzu, buddha, who love all people, who express compassion and teach it, and yet do not appeal to a god. for them, god is 1) a non-issue, 2) irrelevant, and 3) ineffectual. in the end, it's still a choice, and one, i believe, if it is to be forceful and momentous, must be wholly believed in. thus, we can have a true believer of a god and a true believer of the non-existence of god who, in their rationality and faith, both proffer their opinion, but neither of which can step up and say anything more than that. it is in humility that true belief lies. those who profess to "know" it are lying.

as lao tzu said of the tao: those who speak of it do not know it. those who know it do not speak of it.

beware of the professors. that's my motto. think for yourself. if you feel it, fine. if you're pulled in another direction, great. but don't profess. don't preach. don't be arrogant.

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Man, someone failed theology 101.

We as catholics worship the sacrifice that crist made for us as part of the new covenant. Christ is our savior. We don't use his name only. We worship christ as part of the holy trinity: god the father, jesus the son, and the holy spirit.

So you worship the son, we worship the father. I don't see a real big difference there, it's semantics. Both are means to worshiping God.

I can forgive your ignorance of Christian history.

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Like I said IM United pentecostal apostolic big diff buddy. :sleep: Thats your ignorance its Jesus not jesus God not god ignorance you need to read more and so do I but this has gone on to long im off. Work calls gn all.

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Why are you getting mad I already told you like 5 times what I believe in what more do you want? You want my coco puffs huh?

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I'm not mad in any way, shape, or form. Just a bit confused by your repeated statements that Catholics are not Christians. I'm only trying to help you tighten up your vocabulary.

To put an end to it, why don't you do this. Next time you go to church, ask your pastor the following two questions (as he's likely the only one you'll believe in this matter):

1) Are we Christians?

2) Are Roman Catholics also Christians?

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love is great.  i'm all for love, but then i hear of supposedly religious people who become hate-mongers because of a supposed "righteousness" on the part of their belief, namely that god loves a specific set of human beings (contra homosexuals, etc.).  that's a conditional love, one that pales in comparison to some human love i've witnessed.

there are still yet other people, lao tzu, buddha, who love all people, who express compassion and teach it, and yet do not appeal to a god.  for them, god is 1) a non-issue,  2) irrelevant, and 3) ineffectual.  in the end, it's still a choice, and one, i believe, if it is to be forceful and momentous, must be wholly believed in.  thus, we can have a true believer of a god and a true believer of the non-existence of god who, in their rationality and faith, both proffer their opinion, but neither of which can step up and say anything more than that.  it is in humility that true belief lies.  those who profess to "know" it are lying.

as lao tzu said of the tao: those who speak of it do not know it.  those who know it do not speak of it.

beware of the professors.  that's my motto.  think for yourself.  if you feel it, fine.  if you're pulled in another direction, great.  but don't profess.  don't preach.  don't be arrogant.

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my post's at top: https://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=256602&st=90

(basically i agree /w u)

as far as the homosexuality topic's concerned- yes. i do believe homosexuallity is a sin- both religiously and physically- just as anal acts in heterosexual relationships.

however, i would, and do (at least 1 that i know of) worship along /w homosexuals- we all commit sin and are all imperfect.

now to bring up- should a homosexual person b an ordained minister?

i would argue no- because the position is mean to b held by those that are as far from sin as possible.

i tried to keep this argument short and sweet-

(this is a religious look at homosexuality- if i were to discuss my political views on it, that would b a diff topic- and no- i do not mix religion /w politics)

and one thing u fail to mention is u're seeing if from a specific bhuddist sect- there are others that fall into line /w exactly my beliefs minus the JC

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Like I said IM United pentecostal apostolic big diff buddy. :sleep:  Thats your ignorance its Jesus not jesus God not god ignorance you need to read more and so do I but this has gone on to long im off. Work calls gn all.

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Finally! Some light at the end of the tunnel! Why didn't you say this earlier? Well, you might have, but you didn't explain it clearly enough.

Ok, so you're a United Pentecostal Apostolic. You believe in "Jesus Only" in that Jesus, God, and the Holy Spirit are in fact the same..Jesus. There is only Jesus. What you've been trying to say is that you reject the Trinity, which is unlike Catholicism and many other Christian denominations.

Is this your religion here?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Pentecostal_Church

If so, you're still a Christian, just a Christian unlike any other :)

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my post's at top: https://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=256602&st=90

(basically i agree /w u)

as far as the homosexuality topic's concerned- yes. i do believe homosexuallity is a sin- both religiously and physically- just as anal acts in heterosexual relationships.

however, i would, and do (at least 1 that i know of) worship along /w homosexuals- we all commit sin and are all imperfect.

now to bring up- should a homosexual person b an ordained minister?

i would argue no- because the position is mean to b held by those that are as far from sin as possible.

i tried to keep this argument short and sweet-

(this is a religious look at homosexuality- if i were to discuss my political views on it, that would b a diff topic-)

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well, regarding homosexuality as a sin. that's odd. why is it some sinners are ok and some are not? ahh, i get it. this supreme being we mention doesn't truly love everyone, so he differentiates different types of sinners. got it.

in another sense, philosophically speaking, what is a sin other than a man-made semantic structure indicating a prior judgment ascertained from and through the social consciousness? that seems inconceivable, but i assure you, sin isn't a priori.

and what's more, the divergence from an acceptable code of conduct isn't necessarily and a priori immoral on several grounds:

1) the act itself is not a priori immoral.

2) the code of conduct (i.e. the moral system) is not itself a priori decideable.

3) abiding by the code of conduct so instituted by the power structure is not itself a priori moral.

4) diverging from the moral system is not in itself a priori immoral.

religion makes things immoral for whatever reason. that's why religion scares me. there's an agenda. it gets heavy with politics.

i like pure philosophy.

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well, regarding homosexuality as a sin.  that's odd.  why is it some sinners are ok and some are not?  ahh, i get it.  this supreme being we mention doesn't truly love everyone, so he differentiates different types of sinners.  got it.

in another sense, philosophically speaking, what is a sin other than a man-made semantic structure indicating a prior judgment ascertained from and through the social consciousness?  that seems inconceivable, but i assure you, sin isn't a priori.

and what's more, the divergence from an acceptable code of conduct isn't necessarily and a priori immoral on several grounds:

1) the act itself is not a priori immoral.

2) the code of conduct (i.e. the moral system) is not itself a priori decideable.

3) abiding by the code of conduct so instituted by the power structure is not itself a priori moral.

4) diverging from the moral system is not in itself a priori immoral.

religion makes things immoral for whatever reason.  that's why religion scares me.  there's an agenda.  it gets heavy with politics.

i like pure philosophy.

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god loves everyone-

god welcomes everyone into his church-

you obviously have a well burned bias- and from what i can tell, only have experience /w extremist baptist churches.

politically i'm against gay marriage for the following reasons:

- the presented legislation is full of loopholes. incest. beastiality, etc. u name it. these relationships cause harm to innocent victims and cannot be allowed, ex: incest, child born /w problems brought on by close genetics.

- marriage is a stable in society- the uniting of a man and a woman, opposite genders. if u want 'gay marriage' call it something else- and don't rewrite what marriage is- then i would most likely vote for it.

- from studies of psychology i see homosexuality as something brought on by various relationships in life (good/bad), i do not see it as genetic- but i would b willing to look past this for marriage similar benefits.

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god loves everyone-

god welcomes everyone into his church-

you obviously have a well burned bias- and from what i can tell, only have experience /w extremist baptist churches.

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actually no, i don't have a bias. i'm just arguing against those who try to restrict the love, and i know of some.

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Finally!? Some light at the end of the tunnel!? Why didn't you say this earlier?? Well, you might have, but you didn't explain it clearly enough.

Ok, so you're a United Pentecostal Apostolic.? You believe in "Jesus Only" in that Jesus, God, and the Holy Spirit are in fact the same..Jesus.? There is only Jesus.? What you've been trying to say is that you reject the Trinity, which is unlike Catholicism and many other Christian denominations.

Is this your religion here?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Pentecostal_Church

If so, you're still a Christian, just a Christian unlike any :)her :)

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Look my religion awnsers with Bible awnsers. 1st Is the word trinity in the Bible? No.

2.Does the Bible say that there are three persons in the Godhead? No.

3.Does the Bible speak of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost? Yes.

4.Do these titles as used in Matthew 28:19 mean that there are three separate and distinct persons in the Godhead? No, they refer to three offices, roles, or relationship to humanity.

5.5. Does the Bible use the word three in reference to God? Only one verse in the entire Bible does so-I John 5:7. It speaks of the Father, the Word (instead of Son), and the Holy Ghost, and it concludes by saying, "These three are one."

6.Does the Bible use the word one in reference to God? Yes, many times. For example, see Zechariah 14:9; Malachi 2:10; Matthew 23:9; Mark 12:29, 32; John 8:41; 10:30; Romans 3:30; I Corinthians 8:4; Galatians 3:20; I Timothy 2:5; James 2:19.

http://www.upci.org/doctrine/60_questions.asp 60 of them read them look them up in the Bible its all true.

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Look my religion awnsers with Bible awnsers. 1st Is the word trinity in the Bible? No.

2.Does the Bible say that there are three persons in the Godhead? No.

3.Does the Bible speak of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost? Yes.

4.Do these titles as used in Matthew 28:19 mean that there are three separate and distinct persons in the Godhead? No, they refer to three offices, roles, or relationship to humanity.

5.5.  Does the Bible use the word three in reference to God? Only one verse in the entire Bible does so-I John 5:7. It speaks of the Father, the Word (instead of Son), and the Holy Ghost, and it concludes by saying, "These three are one."

6.Does the Bible use the word one in reference to God? Yes, many times. For example, see Zechariah 14:9; Malachi 2:10; Matthew 23:9; Mark 12:29, 32; John 8:41; 10:30; Romans 3:30; I Corinthians 8:4; Galatians 3:20; I Timothy 2:5; James 2:19.

http://www.upci.org/doctrine/60_questions.asp 60 of them read them look them up in the Bible its all true.

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Look, I'm not questioning your belief system. You can believe whatever you want. I'm also not about to start saying which religions are correct and which aren't.

All I'm saying now is that the united pentecostal apostolic religion is generally classified as a christian denomination...at least in the places I've been looking.

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Like I said I told you like 5 times. If you want to spit lies at me go on. We dont leave out a trinity cause ther is no such thing its just misinterrupted people living a lie. My beliefs are from the Bible the whole Bible word from word like God wants it.

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Look my religion awnsers with Bible awnsers. 1st Is the word trinity in the Bible? No.

2.Does the Bible say that there are three persons in the Godhead? No.

3.Does the Bible speak of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost? Yes.

4.Do these titles as used in Matthew 28:19 mean that there are three separate and distinct persons in the Godhead? No, they refer to three offices, roles, or relationship to humanity.

5.5.  Does the Bible use the word three in reference to God? Only one verse in the entire Bible does so-I John 5:7. It speaks of the Father, the Word (instead of Son), and the Holy Ghost, and it concludes by saying, "These three are one."

6.Does the Bible use the word one in reference to God? Yes, many times. For example, see Zechariah 14:9; Malachi 2:10; Matthew 23:9; Mark 12:29, 32; John 8:41; 10:30; Romans 3:30; I Corinthians 8:4; Galatians 3:20; I Timothy 2:5; James 2:19.

http://www.upci.org/doctrine/60_questions.asp 60 of them read them look them up in the Bible its all true.

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There are seventy-two books found in Catholic bible, forty-five in the Old Testament and twenty-seven in the New. Protestant copies usually lack the seven books (viz: Tobias, Judith, Wisdom, Ecclesiasticus, Baruch, and I, II Machabees) and parts of books (viz: Esther 10:4-16:24, and Daniel 3:24-90; 13:1-14:42) which are not found in the Jewish editions of the Old Testament.

So one could argue it would be best to quote scripture from the Catholic bible; and keep in mind that even if you make attempts to follow the bible word for word they all differ drastically and we all read things differently. So if you're arguing that Catholics don't follow the Protestant copy exactly that would make sense, also being that everything's up for personal application and interpretation. What you see as 'living a lie' I see as freedom.

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There are seventy-two books found in Catholic bible, forty-five in the Old Testament and twenty-seven in the New. Protestant copies usually lack the seven books (viz: Tobias, Judith, Wisdom, Ecclesiasticus, Baruch, and I, II Machabees) and parts of books (viz: Esther 10:4-16:24, and Daniel 3:24-90; 13:1-14:42) which are not found in the Jewish editions of the Old Testament.

So one could argue it would be best to quote scripture from the Catholic bible; and keep in mind that even if you make attempts to follow the bible word for word they all differ drastically and we all read things differently. So if you're arguing that Catholics don't follow the Protestant copy exactly that would make sense, also being that everything's up for personal application and interpretation. What you see as 'living a lie' I see as freedom.

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You know why their missing? People got lazy and wanted to mold their own faith their own beliefs. Its simple but most people are blinded by the ways of man well everone is blinded you just haft to realize. You make a good point tho.

According to the Scriptures, the proper mode of baptism is immersion. "And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water" (Matthew 3:16). "And they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him" (Acts 8:38). "Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death" (Romans 6:4). A corpse is not buried by placing it on top of the ground and sprinkling a little soil on it, but by covering it completely.

According to the World Book Encyclopedia, "At first all baptism was by complete immersion" (vol. 1, p.651). And the Catholic Encyclopedia states, "In the early centuries, all were baptized by immersion in streams, pools, and baptisteries" (vol. 2, p.263). Immersion was not convenient after the Catholic church instituted infant baptism; thus the mode was changed to sprinkling. (See Encyclopedia Britannica, 11th ed., vol. 3, pp.365-66.)

Repentance identifies us with the death of Christ, and baptism identifies us with His burial. Coming forth from the watery grave of baptism and receiving new life in the Holy Spirit identifies us with His resurrection.

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This is a good example of what my Church is about.

The day of Pentecost was observed in Jerusalem fifty days after the celebration of the Passover, which commemorated Israel's deliverance out of Egypt. It is significant that this day was chosen by the Lord to begin the fulfillment of Joel 2:28: "I will pour out my Spirit upon all flesh...."

The Spirit came upon the waiting, praying disciples in an overwhelming manner. Their complete commitment to Christ and His commission evoked a mighty baptism of God's power. This was evidenced initially by their speaking in tongues (Acts 2:4). The Spirit was resident in their lives from that moment. The Spirit-filled early church witnessed many outstanding miraculous happenings (Acts 3:1-7; 4:31). They were able to lead victorious lives as a result of their Pentecostal experience.

Two baptisms were disclosed on the day of Pentecost. There was a baptism in the Holy Spirit, and in the Apostle Peter's message that followed, water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ was commanded (Acts 2:38). This outward, physical baptism mysteriously merges with that of the Spirit, and is the "one baptism" of Ephesians 4:5. This is what Jesus referred to as being "born again" in John 3:3-7. And how wonderful to be born into the family of God-changed, transformed, and made a "new creature in Christ Jesus".

No, Pentecost is not a denomination. It is a new birth experience. It is primitive Christianity made relevant to today's world. The people referred to as Pentecostal simply believe, teach, and receive all that transpired on that birthday of the church...Pentecost, 33 A.D. There is a church near you that embraces these basic Christian truths and experiences. You owe it to yourself to attend-and see what Pentecost can really mean to you!

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