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do you believe in god?  

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  1. 1. do you believe in god?

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    • he's there when u need him most
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    • yes, but i dont pray
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    • atheist
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it's interesting to note that most christians live in 3rd world countries, the more ignorant a country is the more attached it is to religion.

Have you really met many different christians of all classes? i've seen many devout christians that spend many a time praying and in the church have the same or worst luck than people that don't.

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Untrue. You call UK,US,Europe, Australia, Canada third world countries? Wow..you really need to read up and get the facts first. And you need to get to a church fast. because every argument you have can be discussed in church more easily than here. God does exist.

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Claiming to be wise surely means you don't know.

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Did i claim anything?

i'm only stating the obvious, i respect others views but i will not follow in their ways.

there are happy atheists.

there are sad atheits.

there are rich atheists.

there are poor atheists.

there are happy christians.

there are sad christians.

there are rich christians.

there are poor christians.

is god favoring anyone? really? tell me how? why do non believers sometimes have exceptional lives as christians do? and why don't they?

religion is ignorance.

if god exists or not in any form i have no idea.

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Claiming to be wise surely means you don't know.

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This, from that man who gave us "For the believer, There is no proof Required. To the Nonbeliever, thier is no proof attainable." I trust you don't need me to point out the clash of principle there.

I don't read any post here from anyone claiming to have all the answers. I read posts from people who are confident in the answers they have and who are happy to exercise debate with others of a different school of thought. If this offends you or somehow upsets your ideallic belief in mankind, then perhaps it's not the thread for you?

I sometimes don't know whether to laugh or cry at the recent trend to assume that any debate must be a personal attack on someone, there has to be sides, or winners and losers. It's just not the case. Enjoy it for what it is.

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Untrue. You call UK,US,Europe, Australia, Canada third world countries? Wow..you really need to read up and get the facts first. And you need to get to a church fast. because every argument you have can be discussed in church more easily than here. God does exist.

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asia, south america and africa have more christian believers than all those countries together. and in europe many people don't care about religion. and in the states so many proclaim themselfs to be christian but how many of them go to church? how many of them pray?

i got my facts straight.

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Did i claim anything?

i'm only stating the obvious, i respect others views but i will not follow in their ways.

there are happy atheists.

there are sad atheits.

there are rich atheists.

there are poor atheists.

there are happy christians.

there are sad christians.

there are rich christians.

there are poor christians.

is god favoring anyone? really? tell me how? why are do non believers sometimes have exceptional lives as christians do? and why don't they?

religion is ignorance.

if god exists or not in any form i have no idea.

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thats where your wrong.

thier are no happy athiests.

What would keep an athiest grounded? with no moral compass from above, wouldn't nature dictate to kill, murder, maim and basically try to make themselves and thier children live a care free life? And what about laws?..Who could possibly hold an athiest accountable for these crimes? other people? I think not. What If they never get caught. Then they would not bother with stopping because they have no concious. Why be scared of some inviso thing...

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i don't think its a christians job to preach to a nonbeliever, simply love them. it is the holy spirits job to bring a nonbeliever to faith...

I believe that I cannot by my own reason or strength believe in Jesus Christ, my Lord, or come to Him; but the Holy Spirit has called me by the Gospel, enlightened me with His gifts, sanctified and kept me in the true faith.

In this Christian church He daily and richly forgives my sins and the sins of all believers.

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asia, south america and africa have more christian believers than all those countries together. and in europe many people don't care about religion. and in the states so many proclaim themselfs to be christian but how many of them go to church? how many of them pray?

i got my facts straight.

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I certainly back this fellow. Although I don't know if its true, it is a good point that just because the majority of believers may be christian (EDIT, or SAY THEY ARE), the majority of all people is certainly choosing sin over any religion in the UK, and Austrialia and Canada and the USA. If we say we are without sin we decieve ourselves and the truth is not in us.

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thier are no happy athiests.

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Here's my prophecy, and no religion was required to create it. You can expect to be told you are wrong by several happy 'athiests'. That is religious arrogance again at play assuming that non-believers cannot possibly be happy.

What would keep an athiest grounded? with no moral compass from above, wouldn't nature dictate to kill, murder, maim and basically try to make themselves and thier children live a care free life?

You mean the same type of things that happen today? Though I suppose a search of the prisons will reveal not a single Christian or other religious believer? So clearly the great moral compass has lost it's way.

And what about laws?..Who could possibly hold an athiest accountable for these crimes? other people?

Our evolution has given us a system of government for that very purpose. Whilst they may be flawed, we can approach them today and expect an answer to so why things are not going right.

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I certainly back this fellow.  Although I don't know if its true, it is a good point that just because the majority of believers may be christian (EDIT, or SAY THEY ARE), the majority of all people is certainly choosing sin over any religion in the UK, and Austrialia and Canada and the USA.  If we say we are without sin we decieve ourselves and the truth is not in us.

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I agree.

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thats where your wrong.

thier are no happy athiests.

What would keep an athiest grounded? with no moral compass from above, wouldn't nature dictate to kill, murder, maim and basically try to make themselves and thier children live a care free life? And what about laws?..Who could possibly hold an athiest accountable for these crimes? other people? I think not. What If they never get caught. Then they would not bother with stopping because they have no concious. Why be scared of some inviso thing...

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i don't really get wher you are going but answer me this...

don't christians comit crimes?

don't they kill?

why do i need to be an atheist to do something wrong? while christians do as much harm as atheists do.

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later sniperx and too all...of to bed.

will pray for all in this forum.

May the Holy Spirit bring forth his power to each one of you!

God Bless!

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i don't really get wher you are going but answer me this...

don't christians comit crimes?

don't they kill?

why do i need to be an atheist to do something wrong? while christians do as much harm as atheists do.

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Um, yes all people sin, especially christians, but that doesn't make them any less saved than a nonbeliever. jesus died for us all, even though they sin, actually because they sin, but a believer simply says "yes, okay, i accept your gift of eternal life, your son jesus christ is the only true savior". Sorry for the run-on sentence :yes:. No one goes to the father except through [Jesus]. -John 14:6.

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in conclusion,

it isn't being a christian or believing in god what makes of you a good person.

it isn't being an atheist what makes of you a bad person.

and he who claims otherwise is inconsistent and musn't go out much to know people and the different ways of living those people have.

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in conclusion,

it isn't being a christian or believing in god what makes of you a good person.

it isn't being an atheist what makes of you a bad person.

and he who claims otherwise is inconsistent and musn't go out much to know people and the different ways of living those people have.

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"it isn't being a christian or believing in god what makes of you a good person." - No, you can be a very good person and still not believe in God, but this does not mean your saved. Likewise, just because you believe on God doesn't mean your a good person. Cain killed Able, I bet he is in heaven because he believed in a savior that would come to die for his sin(s), but even so God branded him on his forehead as a bad person.

"and he who claims otherwise is inconsistent and musn't go out much to know people and the different ways of living those people have." - How am I inconsistant? There are MANY MANY beliefs that go against Christianity and still these people call themselves Christians.

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Um, yes all people sin, especially christians, but that doesn't make them any less saved than a nonbeliever.  jesus died for us all, even though they sin, actually because they sin, but a believer simply says "yes, okay, i accept your gift of eternal life, your son jesus christ is the only true savior".  Sorry for the run-on sentence  :yes:.  No one goes to the father except through [Jesus]. -John 14:6.

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why did you state "especially christians, sin"?

doesn't god show them the right way?

if the chrristians sin as all other people, than why spend hours preaching? praying? going to church? learning good moral values in that same church that they afterwards brake?

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but even so God branded him on his forehead as a bad person.

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And so, let's say little Tommy Jenkins steals from his neigbour, are you all for the branding of his forehead? Surely what he has done is wrong, and there are no degrees of wrong are there? Surely his actions conflict with the teachings of the good book and so a branded forehead would be appropriate, would it not?

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why did you state "especially christians, sin"?

doesn't god show them the right way?

if the chrristians sin as all other people, than why spend hours preaching? praying? going to church? learning good moral values in that same church that they afterwards brake?

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We got to church to try to avoid the ocassions of sin. We recieve grace from god to not sin, but we are still of a fallen nature. So sometimes we cannot avoid the sin which we commit.

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why did you state "especially christians, sin"?

doesn't god show them the right way?

if the chrristians sin as all other people, than why spend hours preaching? praying? going to church? learning good moral values in that same church that they afterwards brake?

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Well, maybe not especially christians. I was just emphasizing the fact that Christians sin just as much as everybody else. God shows them the right way through his word, but that doesn't make us perfect as popular opposing oppinion likes to make out. If we didn't sin then there would have been no point for Jesus to die on the cross as the savior of the world. Why spend hours praying and going to church and learning good moral values? Jesus said to "Believe and be Baptised", ie, go to church and spend a mere hour hearing his word so that we would have the encouragement to get through another week and come back and realise that we cannot by our own reason or faith come to the father by ourselves. Just because we repent as believers and acknowledge the gift of God's Son doesn't mean that it was in vein if we sin again.

It is altogether proper and fitting, therefore, for Christians to confess that they are poor miserable sinners, and with full seriousness, while at they same time they rejoice in the forgiving love of Christ who has taken away their guilt--the love which is announced and imparted to them in the absolution.

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