Is Software Piracy OK?


  

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  1. 1. Is Software Piracy OK?

    • Yes - They charge to damn much
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    • No - They are only attempting to recover their costs and make a profit
      23


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This is not a place to share FTP Sites or any other way to avoid paying software prices.

What I am looking for is for people to anonymous vote and to give their opinion.

I assume you people won't want to post if they are in favor of it, but I would like to hear people's thoughts.

I used to be against high priced sofware and I loved it that we could get it for free, but I have come to understand the ecomoics and am against.

However, I know that a lot of people still feel justified and I was hoping to get some reactions from people.

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Also, what about causual copying....

Friends and more importantly, family.

What about if it only copy and installed on other computers in your house?

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I have a feeling this MAY get locked... oh well.

I usually warez **** before I buy it. Like UT, I warezed that for 6 months before getting it. But I purchased it because I liked the game enough that I was willing to pay for it.

Now things like OS'es are different. I wouldn't pay for an OS. I already paid a lot to get the parts, **** MS for charging hundreds of dollars for the OS.

Also, things like Photoshop, and Microangelo, and other programs that I don't use often aren't worth spending money on. Hey, I only use them once in a blue moon, so why pay the money for it?

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in the time i have been at neowin, i have seen countless ammounts of threads on this subject. oh well.

also, in my opinion, i will admit that warezing software such as photoshop or dreamweaver is ok. i mean hell, the mainstream computer user uses these programs every so often, but not enough to pay 6-700$ for them. Im guessing the only reason they are still in buisness is because of the companies / schools that have to buy bulk of this software [legally]

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Legally, of course it isn't.

But in all seriousness, there are programs (*cough* photoshop *cough*) that are absolutely excellent. But when you see the price, it's not worth it. Companies make enough money from companies who buy software in bulk with licsenses for liek 100+ computers and stuff. If individual people don't buy it, I don't think Adobe or especially Microsoft and other such companies will get hurt.

I think if you copy a program, and give it to a friend or member of your family, but do _not_ charge. It is okay. But to sell it for your own profit. That's wrong...

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Originally posted by nemo

Legally, of course it isn't.

But in all seriousness, there are programs (*cough* photoshop *cough*) that are absolutely excellent. But when you see the price, it's not worth it. Companies make enough money from companies who buy software in bulk with licsenses for liek 100+ computers and stuff. If individual people don't buy it, I don't think Adobe or especially Microsoft and other such companies will get hurt.

I think if you copy a program, and give it to a friend or member of your family, but do _not_ charge. It is okay. But to sell it for your own profit. That's wrong...

Originally posted by Faction

in the time i have been at neowin, i have seen countless ammounts of threads on this subject. oh well.

also, in my opinion, i will admit that warezing software such as photoshop or dreamweaver is ok. i mean hell, the mainstream computer user uses these programs every so often, but not enough to pay 6-700$ for them. Im guessing the only reason they are still in buisness is because of the companies / schools that have to buy bulk of this software [legally]

hey, great minds think alike :D

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I usually warez **** before I buy it. Like UT, I warezed that for 6 months before getting it. But I purchased it because I liked the game enough that I was willing to pay for it.
Ditto... I did that with Tribes 2 and I'm glad I did buy it.... it's a great game!

Pirating is wrong, but still most people do it (including myself). Many games are too shoddy to justify the ?30 tag that they carry. Me wants Halo.... one of the few PC games I want to actually BUY! But I doubt it's gonna be a priority now with Halo 2 planned for release this Autumn ('Fall' for you American's).

But in all seriousness, there are programs (*cough* photoshop *cough*) that are absolutely excellent. But when you see the price, it's not worth it.

Too true... another example is Sibelius 2... it is amazing, but it costs like $600. Me thinks not! One of the hardest programs to come by on warez though... took months for it to appear and even then it was hard to get.

Enough side tracking.... pirating is wrong, but no-one cares.

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Originally posted by mortensen

Ditto... I did that with Tribes 2 and I'm glad I did buy it.... it's a great game!

and that's a good point. I warezed Tribes2, thinking I'd love it, but no. It sucked (for me at least). I just don't like it. I can't really pinpoint what exactly about it I didn't like, but I just didn't.

So warez is good that way. If I hadn't warezed it, I might have gone out and paid $40 on a game i wouldn't like.

Anyway, Tribes 1 owns. ;) Heh. I can't get enough of the original.

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Morally? Yes...but here's a twist. I'll use photoshop for an example. Lets say there are 100,000 illegal copies of Photoshop in use. Of that number, 3000 are being used for profit by graphics professionals. Adobe is suffering a monetary loss by those users. The remaining copies are being used by people who make stuff for their own personal use and would not buy the product due to its high price. Adobe is not being hurt by these users. 600.00 for PS is NOT high priced if you are in the trade and it makes YOU money. Piracy for profit is wrong. Shareware should be purchased as the money usually goes directly to the developer and is his/her means of living. Just my 2 sheckels.....

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Originally posted by Faction

hey, great minds think alike :D

LOL. **** we posted that at the same time too cause when i replied your's wasn't up there yet...

wow that is cool..

/me is just as smart as Faction is

:D

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If you are using it commercially or selling it I think it's wrong, but if you're just using it as a hobbyist or just to mess around then I feel it is a necessary evil. What home user is going to pay 600 bucks for photoshop? Or 500 for Office XP Pro? As for windows, there is no way the slightly different features of XP Home and Pro warrant an additional 100 dollars...I bought home (I gave them that much) but use pro (I need remote desktop and consequently IIS).

For entertainment programs (like games and such, where there are no corporate buyers) then I think 'try before you buy' is alright but any more than that is wrong (unless it's ridiculously expensive)

BTW

Kudos to alias|wavefront for offering maya FREE for personal use

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so if you steal something out of the store and just used it yourself that is alright? But if you steal it from a store and sell it that is wrong? I think if you guys made the code you would have a different opinion.

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I wonder if people know what developping an OS takes...

Charging a hundred dollars for a processor is ok but not for an OS? Why? Just because it's physically impossible to touch and costs nothing to duplicate doesn't mean it's worth nothing.

For every product in every market you pay for the time and the experience put into a product, except for primary resources.

Developing an OS takes as much time and sweat as developing a processor, if not more. Many people can't imagine that.

Oh and the people who think they can warez photoshop because it's too expensive are wrong. Do you steal everything you can't afford?

Software will never be protected by software. I hope one day warez won't exist anymore. Because once you start stealing software, there's a 99% chance you don't stop and you know you'll just warez even that 5$ program because it's so much easier and you just saved 5$ and heck it's not worth that much anyway.

I program software, by the way.

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if companies *cough microshaft cough* wouldnt charge so much for so little (as in new features), more ppl would buy their software instead of warezing it

i believe that 100s of $$$ for any adobe product IS just way too much, if it was at a reasonable rate ($50-$200) then maybe more ppl would buy their products...i wonder what will happen IF the big software companies find a way so their software cant be illegally distributed...and when ppl try to make it into warez, it wont work...maybe the software companies will charge more for their products? probably...

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I agree, piracy for profit is not cool at all. The thing I see with warez is that so much people use it already. Think about this, how would you feel if one day you go and buy a $600 piece of software, and the next day you find out your buddies got the exact same thing for free... kinda makes you feel like crud doesn't it? I also agree that paying for software is nice, but honestly, I don't think ANYONE (besides the non-piraters) would have the same amount of software they would have if they bought it. It's simple, most of us don't have the money to purchase expensive pieces of software. It's better to spend the $600 on food, clothing, other stuff, instead of some program.

It'd be a perfect world is everyone bought software, but it's just not realistic.

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Originally posted by ToastGodSupreme

antoinebj, do you have any warez on your comp?

a simple yes or no...

No (for the FBI)

I'll just say I like eDonkey2000 :bandit:

Anyway, my message was that people shouldn't feel like they're right to warez software. They should know they're in the wrong. I sure know I shouldn't be doing this and it's illegal. Threads like this where people say it's right influence other people and it's just bad. Warez and discussions about where people say it's right should somehow remain in the underground of the internet and not surface on popular sites like Neowin. I hope some people will agree...

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Originally posted by antoinebj

No (for the FBI)

I'll just say I like eDonkey2000 :bandit:

Anyway, my message was that people shouldn't feel like they're right to warez software. They should know they're in the wrong. I sure know I shouldn't be doing this and it's illegal. Threads like this where people say it's right influence other people and it's just bad. Warez and discussions about where people say it's right should somehow remain in the underground of the internet and not surface on popular sites like Neowin. I hope some people will agree...

ok, just making sure you weren't being a hypocryte ;)

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i think it is as long as you are not selling it for money..

but if its for your own use then sure

but if its for your friends use then he can do his own homework :bandit:

Lates

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I wonder if people know what developping an OS takes...

Charging a hundred dollars for a processor is ok but not for an OS? Why? Just because it's physically impossible to touch and costs nothing to duplicate doesn't mean it's worth nothing.

If I could warez hardware.. I would. believe me I would.
Oh and the people who think they can warez photoshop because it's too expensive are wrong. Do you steal everything you can't afford?

It's over $700. For a 16 year old kid who is busting his ass off in school to get into a good college, the last think I am worried about is finding a way to get $700 to spend on a program that I can download in less than a few hours.

If I can't afford it, or I think it's overpriced, or I simply don't want to spend money, I will steal it. Too bad.

Software will never be protected by software. I hope one day warez won't exist anymore. Because once you start stealing software, there's a 99% chance you don't stop and you know you'll just warez even that 5$ program because it's so much easier and you just saved 5$ and heck it's not worth that much anyway.
Warez will never NOT exist. No matter what happens, it won't not exist. Why should I spend that $5 if I don't have to.

Here... if you could get a $20,000 car for free. You would take it wouldn't you? Don't say no cause if you do, you're lying. It's the same thing. Why should you pay for it when you can get it for free. Somebody worked hard on that car too, but I get a car for free. It's the same thing. As simple as that..

I program software, by the way.

You didn't have to say that. we could have told you that.

well im done

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