antoinebj Posted May 6, 2002 Share Posted May 6, 2002 Originally posted by ToastGodSupreme ok, just making sure you weren't being a hypocryte ;) I understand. ;) I was just answering to the title of the thread and to some people :roll: Nemo: I totally understand why people get warez. I'm just showing there are other point of views and saying it's not OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike101M69 Posted May 6, 2002 Share Posted May 6, 2002 why pay when you can get it for free? :D for ex. . . it's a sunny day and your eyes are hurt by that big bad sun! but wait . . a HAT STORE ACROSS THE STREET! but . . . your concions kicks in "go here and get a free hat instead"!!!! lol, good anology by me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astrokat Posted May 6, 2002 Share Posted May 6, 2002 I think when i clicked yes, the url forwarded me to fbi.gov instead to back to neowin ... thanks a lot guys :ermm: Perhaps if software was 20 bucks per cd, people would buy it. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravager Posted May 6, 2002 Share Posted May 6, 2002 Exactly my point, spike... you said it perfectly. Why pay for it when you can get it for free? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToastGodSupreme Posted May 6, 2002 Share Posted May 6, 2002 Originally posted by 2pac i think it is as long as you are not selling it for money.. but if its for your own use then sure but if its for your friends use then he can do his own homework :bandit: Lates see, now this kills me... somebody shared something with me... file a my friend is in search of file a. why shouldn't I give him a copy? am i wrong for continuing the cycle of sharing? someone did me a favor, I should do someone else a favor... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antoinebj Posted May 6, 2002 Share Posted May 6, 2002 Originally posted by Ravager Exactly my point, digital james... you said it perfectly. Why pay for it when you can get it for free? Because it's wrong? :ditsy: Oh what the hell anyway :bandit: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravager Posted May 6, 2002 Share Posted May 6, 2002 :p What isn't wrong? Jaywalking is wrong, we do it all the time. Speeding is wrong, we do it all the time. Littering is wrong, we do it all the time. Smoking is wrong, we (not me, I can't yet :p and don't intend to) do it all the time. Beginning to see my point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shockz Posted May 6, 2002 Share Posted May 6, 2002 Why pay for it when you can get it for free? Because the people that don't want to break the law have to pay more money for it, because people that pirate make them loose their costs and revenue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravager Posted May 6, 2002 Share Posted May 6, 2002 It's a cruel and unfair world... we all gotta deal with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniPi Posted May 6, 2002 Share Posted May 6, 2002 I think the reason software companies charge so much money is because not as many people buy it. If you're not going to pay the full price, there are alternatives. If you are going to school, or work at a school, you can get expensive software for a lot cheaper. Not too long ago, my dad got us a $1000 surrond system for only about $700. Thats just my view. :D -Andrew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToastGodSupreme Posted May 6, 2002 Share Posted May 6, 2002 Originally posted by ShOcKz1104 Because the people that don't want to break the law have to pay more money for it, because people that pirate make them loose their costs and revenue. you know, **** that line that says "prices are so high because people pirate." whatever... if that were true, then they would LOWER their prices to appease those who pirate only because of it being too expensive... I certainly wouldn't warez the hell out of adobe and MS if their products were REASONABLY priced... $50 for Win2k? great! $50 for Adobe photoshop? great! I'd buy both of those if I got them at that price... but I'm going to wait, and next year, pick them up for $5.50 each using my college ID. But wait, I'm picking up a legit copy of each for $11. Hrm, what's wrong with this picture? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shockz Posted May 6, 2002 Share Posted May 6, 2002 you know, **** that line that says "prices are so high because people pirate." whatever... if that were true, then they would LOWER their prices to appease those who pirate only because of it being too expensive... I certainly wouldn't warez the hell out of adobe and MS if their products were REASONABLY priced... $50 for Win2k? great! $50 for Adobe photoshop? great! I'd buy both of those if I got them at that price... but I'm going to wait, and next year, pick them up for $5.50 each using my college ID. But wait, I'm picking up a legit copy of each for $11. Hrm, what's wrong with this picture? I wasn't talking about Windows and $500 products, i see a couple products around that cost $20, and people decided to pirate them and when the next version came out it was $50. But I know that I am not going to get my point across, and I really don't feel like arguing about it so, yeah. w/e. You have your opinions and I have mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karmakillernz Posted May 6, 2002 Share Posted May 6, 2002 Geez people. You all know its wrong! Yes, most of us have some pirated software, but you CANT say "Its right if its only for personal use". Think of it this way: If you can go into a computer shop, tell the staff "I'm taking this software cos its for personal use and I wont onsell it" and walk out without any problems, then go for it. (I know I would :D) But the fact still stands, and its one you've all heard before... "If you cant afford it, get over it and find a free substitue instead" :right: :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenmuncher Posted May 6, 2002 Share Posted May 6, 2002 i'll admit i priate but it by all means in most countries of the world is illegal, hence why its not OK. Anyone, myself included who has priated are just a common criminal who hasnt got caught. we only download the programs from the net becuase the chance of getting caught is 99% less than walking into your local futureshop and walking out with Windows XP. In essence its the same, just less of a chance... anyone who downloads priated software and denies that they are a criminal are hyprocites (spelling) and should be ignored. Greenmuncher EDIT: more rants... lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John S. Veteran Posted May 6, 2002 Veteran Share Posted May 6, 2002 I have purchased more software due to warez I've tried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daybreak Posted May 6, 2002 Share Posted May 6, 2002 Personally, I would believe the majority of costs in software come NOT from software development, but more from supporting operating costs and advertising... since running a company the size of say .. Adobe or Microsoft .. costs quite a lot as well... and advertising takes quite a lot of $$$... Nevertheless, I feel that piracy is illegal. No matter what the moral, ethical or social justifications are, IT IS ILLEGAL in the eyes of the law... Of course, that doesn't mean I don't do it :bandit: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hurting101 Posted May 6, 2002 Share Posted May 6, 2002 I warez because (choose): ? The program can only be bought via the internet ? It's too damn expensive ? I don't think it's worth the money ? BananaMan shows me that NAV CE kicks NAV 2002's ass ? I just want to try it out ? The serial generator looks damn cool (really, alot of them have awesome interfaces) ? I am forced to by HP when they didn't gave me an XP CD so I could either buy something I already have or warez something I already have ...but most of the time I try to go for freeware. Usually it's less bloated, less likely to have an installer :dead: and sometimes it's better than the pay apps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
postertoad Posted May 6, 2002 Share Posted May 6, 2002 Is piracy OK? That all depends on how you define piracy, which will also depend on how you define stealing, and will lead us eventually to the socially constructed idea of private property. Does the end justify the means? It might be stealing, but what are the effects of that act? Knowledge is disseminated to a much greater number of people and therefor society as whole benifits. Argh... I'm to tired to get philosophical. Yes I use warez and I dont hide behind the dumbass price argument. They are a driving force in our economy. The abundance of available software drives the hardware market. The crackers drive the security market. The working knowledge gained by warezers drives the job market. Its all a two headed beast, neither side being more high road than the other in my view. The drawback is that warez eats the little guy and lets the mega-mergers dominate. Yawn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOOPAH256 Posted May 6, 2002 Share Posted May 6, 2002 i think that morally, it isn't RIGHT for software to be pirated. but lets just say that i haven't bought one piece of software in my life.;) you do the math.:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freeza Posted May 6, 2002 Share Posted May 6, 2002 it just feels good to have somethin cracked in your hands like when windows xp WPA got molested and raped it was like ...damn i have it now! i rule! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaMan Posted May 6, 2002 Share Posted May 6, 2002 Straight up, I agree that we have to acknowledge that warezing is illegal, and isn't okay. I don't get any thrill out of doing it, and I most definately don't advertise it to the world when I do. Most of here in this thread do warez, if not all, but we aren't bad people, are we? I hate to comply to the trend, but I really do think a lot of the big software companies are facilitating the distribution of warez. Photoshop is amazing, but at $650 AUD (approx.), it's way out of my reach. Understandibly, $650 is fair if used commercially, but shouldn't Adobe be fair and provide a personal use only licence at a cheaper price? Adobe isn't of course obligated to do so, and fair doesn't come into this really, they can charge $1,000,000 if they wanted to, it's their product, but if they keep harping on about high prices being caused by warez monkeys asking the consumers to do the right thing by them, maybe they should do the right thing by the consumers so that we CAN return the favour. I don't think this came out very coherently, bleeh. Just a question to throw out into this thread to think about, what came first, warez or high-priced software? Originally posted by hurting101 ? BananaMan shows me that NAV CE kicks NAV 2002's assb> LOL:p:p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Dorr Veteran Posted May 6, 2002 Veteran Share Posted May 6, 2002 this a rather humourous thread based solely on the level of hypocracy flying around :D But still... Here's an interesting little tidbit: (True Story) Kid walks into Comp-USA with an iPod. Besides being able to carry music, it can also transport files. For those of you who don't know, Macs don't rely on things like a registry, so all you have to do is copy and paste a folder to copy software. (Guess where this is going?) So, he hops on a mac set up there and copies over Office and several other expensive programs pre-bundled onto his iPod filling it up. Now, this is blatent piracy. But, what separates us from them? I'm lucky enough to be a student (and a LOT of you are as well), so I get massive discounts on such things. I'm planning on going and (*gasp*) BUYING the software I downloaded this summer. Why not cash in on your benefits? :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dclanz Posted May 6, 2002 Share Posted May 6, 2002 IMO...piracy is a way of life. If I like a product, I'll go out and buy it. Why? Because I like the thought that it's a unique copy and it belongs only to me, I think (have you read your EULA lately?). Yet why do I download warez? I only download programs that I have never used and find interesting.:bandit: :paranoid: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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