Chad Posted May 6, 2002 Share Posted May 6, 2002 Well i never really said the religions themselves are very different. Btw...they are VERY different. I said the god they believe in is different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fedr0 Posted May 6, 2002 Share Posted May 6, 2002 Damn, at first I thought of another of JimF's threads... :s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Dorr Veteran Posted May 6, 2002 Veteran Share Posted May 6, 2002 Originally posted by GrimSage And for whoever said the 3 religions are nothing alike they actually are very simular. THey both believe in one supreme being. Jews believe in the old testiment of the bible and both of the other religions believe that Jesus was not the son of god but was at least a profit. NO THEY DO NOT. Go back and read what he said. They believe in ENTIRELY different beings. They may seem similar, but they are not. Stop letting religous dogma cloud your mind... :right: People, there is NO evidence to support either side. I hardly think the earth will be caught up in some almost instantaneous "armageddon" considering the other billions of years have been ones of slow change. Peronally, I think both religion AND science are wrong. Religion is just a method of psychological release allowing one to simplify the facts for their own comsumption. Science constantly goes about contradicting or reinventing itself on this subject that it's quite rediculous. Maybe you can take the method of approach I take that leads to a logical yet faithful approach. Don't separate the two sides, becuase they are one in the same. God exists within the world of science he's created. Why should he suddenly be exempt? hmm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
othernutrient Posted May 6, 2002 Share Posted May 6, 2002 Originally posted by GrimSage First off for anyone who thinks science is the only way STFU Let people believe what they want science was created by man and is falable. We can not prove the big bang. What started the big bang? Where did the matter that cause the big bang come from? It all gets down to having faith. Let people have their faith. No matter if it is in a Supreme being or in science. THe fact is we will never know until we die. And hell we may not even know then. Ah, it's as though you're trying to make it easy... The idea of cause for the big bang is one that simply is not possible. The universe consists of five dimensions: four spatial and one time. Given that cause and effect are things that occur in spatial dimensions constrained by the linear time dimension, and given that those five dimensions were created by the start of the universe, it is not possible to extrapolate beyond the point of creation of the universe. What I'm saying, so you can maybe get it through your sloping forehead, is that time did not exist before the start of the universe, and even if time did exist in extra-dimensional forms, the universe is constructed in such a way that it is a closed system; we cannot go beyond, nor can anything beyond enter the universe. These properties affect both spatial dimensions and time, which is to say that while we cannot move beyond the realm of spatial dimensions we cannot move beyond the realm of time. To determine events prior to the big bang, we would have to move beyond the starting point of time, which is not possible. So to answer your question, it's not possible to know. For me to claim one answer about what happened before the big bang would be just as invalid as any other claim; it is entirely impossible to know. And no, despite your claim to the contrary, it is not a matter of faith. I don't have faith that that is what happened or how things are, I actually know what is what happened and how things are. It's done through empirical study. I suggest you try it, and maybe your pseudo-science thoughts will be cleared up. Faith in the unknowable is for the mentally infirm, whether by laziness or carelessness, and because of that they are welcome to retain it. When the line begins to be blurred between reality and faith by those who have their faiths, it becomes an issue that must be righted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neo1980 Posted May 6, 2002 Author Share Posted May 6, 2002 Originally posted by superfula Well i never really said the religions themselves are very different. Btw...they are VERY different. I said the god they believe in is different. Moses believed in the first man on Earth Jesus believed in moses and the first man on Earth Muhammad believed in Moses and Jesus and the first person on Earth all 3 believed in all the previous prophets all 3 have thier books all 3 have only 1 God and no other Moses was brought to bring the first basic rules of law of God Jesus was brough to extend that Law and find the 12 lost tribes of Israel of which 10 he found during his early years and to unite them Muhammad brought the finality of the laws of God difference is most jews dont believe in jesus who came after Moses, most Christians believe Jews but dont believe Muhammad who came after Jesus and Muhammad believed in Jesus and Moses but christians and jews dont believe in Muhammad. That last part is the sign of Armageddon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neo1980 Posted May 6, 2002 Author Share Posted May 6, 2002 To begin with, the one fundamental difference that sets apart the religious tradition of these three religions was the unifying concept of monotheism: faith in a single, All-Powerful God who is the sole Creator, Sustainer and Ruler of the universe. (Ibid, p. 56) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icie Posted May 6, 2002 Share Posted May 6, 2002 The world is not going to end. Humans are not going to die out. We are all-powerful. We will exist forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neo1980 Posted May 6, 2002 Author Share Posted May 6, 2002 Amazon.com As God dictated the first five books of the Old Testament, He enclosed prophecies in a skip code--that is, every fifth letter in a sentence forms a word. The trouble is, the Code is so divinely complex, you need a computer to find it. Now that we have those, and author Michael Drosnin, you too can read God's secret messages in The Bible Code. Drosnin was a reporter for the Wall Street Journal who turned into the Jeanne Dixon of the Middle East after "predicting" Rabin's assassination a year before it happened. Since then, with the help of mathematicians, he's been finding the bleak Future all over the Torah: an earthquake in L.A. (2010), a meteor hitting the Earth (2006, 2010, 2012, or all of these), and, of course, nuclear Armageddon (2000 or 2006). But don't write 2006 off yet, because the book says that the Code doesn't predict the Future, it merely reveals one possible future. Hmm. The Bible Code is this generation's The Late, Great Planet Earth. For those in the market, it delivers. --This text refers to the Hardcover edition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thuggers Posted May 6, 2002 Share Posted May 6, 2002 I have got a hot tipoff from cnn (i know the news director) they said that it will happen in 2007 because the world is going to have a hard time directing every nucleur warhead at israel in sync, because of time zone conflicts and such. They said the prophits had some minor errors in judgment when it came down to the fine details. hey, CNN told me so it must be true. I think someones been reading. alt.armageddon.prohecy too much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
werejag Posted May 6, 2002 Share Posted May 6, 2002 the lonies are acome out of the wood work again!!! these same people thought it was 2000,2001 and now 2006. tell me one thing!!!! why does every generation think that the second come is going to happen during their time? the signs as they say it have been going on of centuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Posted May 6, 2002 Share Posted May 6, 2002 Originally posted by neo1980 Moses believed in the first man on Earth Jesus believed in moses and the first man on Earth Muhammad believed in Moses and Jesus and the first person on Earth all 3 believed in all the previous prophets all 3 have thier books all 3 have only 1 God and no other Moses was brought to bring the first basic rules of law of God Jesus was brough to extend that Law and find the 12 lost tribes of Israel of which 10 he found during his early years and to unite them Muhammad brought the finality of the laws of God difference is most jews dont believe in jesus who came after Moses, most Christians believe Jews but dont believe Muhammad who came after Jesus and Muhammad believed in Jesus and Moses but christians and jews dont believe in Muhammad. That last part is the sign of Armageddon Oh come on!! Those are the vaguest comparisons i have ever seen. Using your logic, i could say that because we both post on the same forum, we both should know Pres Bush personally. Using vague things like that, you could connect ever religion. You could also connect every single person on earth together. 7 degrees of separation. Islam copied a lot of stuff from the bible to bring about their religion. Kinda hard not to have some similarities. Jews believed in the same thing as Christianity up until the point where they decided Christ wasn't really God, and crucified Him. They may look the same, but once you study them, they are very very different. Now you use the Bible code to back up your statement? The bible code is widely known as one of the biggest farces EVER. Its like calling up that jamaican psychic. They say the vaguest things, somehow you associate it with something in your life, and BAM you think they are psychic.. The bible code...thats rich. Come on neo...i suggest you study this first, then post on it. Once you get an idea of what each religion i about, you will contract your statements Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daybreak Posted May 6, 2002 Share Posted May 6, 2002 Originally posted by neo1980 difference is most jews dont believe in jesus who came after Moses, most Christians believe Jews but dont believe Muhammad who came after Jesus and Muhammad believed in Jesus and Moses but christians and jews dont believe in Muhammad. That last part is the sign of Armageddon Just like to pose a simple question. Are you sure that the three major religions are Jewism, Islam and Christanity? .. I wouldn't argue with the latter two (i.e. Islam and Christainity), but I would believe that Buddhism has a by far larger following than Jewism... I'm not too sure about there being a Apocalypse for Buddhism anyway. I don't think so, simply because Buddhism preaches the cycle of rebirth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad Posted May 6, 2002 Share Posted May 6, 2002 Rofl. "Every fifth letter of the fourth word of the square of the chapter that is three times the abrahams age over fifty" And if I made a computer program that produced random ASCII characters as fast as it could it would eventually make a copy of the bible. So what. Who the hell gives a damn? There's been enough 'apocalypses' to destroy the world fifty times over. Every century a new group of nuts say the worlds going to end blabhlbhalbabhalhb. *remembers the heavens gate cult that lived up the street from him*. Don't forget the alien mothership that's come to take a select few of us "chosen" away with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monofonik Posted May 6, 2002 Share Posted May 6, 2002 it says in the bible that no man knows armageddon's date but god the father himself. the apostles figured it would be soon after his departure from earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Anarkii Subscriber² Posted May 6, 2002 Subscriber² Share Posted May 6, 2002 All i can say is that religion will be the cause of armageddon. It wont be this war on terror. it will be a "my god is better then your god" bull s**t and all out war will go and then someone will nuke someone else. the end :D i just hope by then i get my 10GHz amd by then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kagaku Posted May 6, 2002 Share Posted May 6, 2002 Reading this thread brought back memories of watchin' people on TV, back in '99.. Building 'y2k' shelters, because they knew, without a doubt, that the technology we depend on, was gonna go crazy, and the world would be in total chaos. Boy I wish I saw thier faces when 12:00am came around on January 1st, 2000.. No one can predict the future, not man, machine, or god himself, if there is a god. If the world is going to end, what're we gonna do about it? Simply put, there isn't a thing we can do. Be it total armageddon, or a 10 mile wide asteroid, we'd be dead either way.. So why sit around and worry about it? Live your life to the fullest, enjoy what time you've got now, and when the end comes, you'll know you didn't miss a thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krome Posted May 6, 2002 Share Posted May 6, 2002 I have a question for all of you religious people out there. But first off, yeah Daybreak make a valid point. Someone is so ignorant to ignore Buddhism as a religion. Let me start a question. Buddhism came before Christian. Buddha state that there will be a new religion after his. I wonder why the Christian's 10 Commandments is the same as Buddhism? Ok... another question... After I learn a lot about history of Christianity, it seems that the Bible contradict itself and it keeps on changing. Why Christianity keeps changing its preaching and believes? If Christianity is the only true religion, why must they kill philosopher and mathematicians just to silence them? Science have make so many proof and Christians try to throw out the facts but later on trying to change their believe system to be parallel to science findings. Why must a true religion change course? If Christianity is the only true religion, why the 10 Commandments are the same as Buddhist teaching approximately 2500 years later? I am currious... Please help me understand this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigitalDJ Posted May 6, 2002 Share Posted May 6, 2002 well lets say..wat is so special about 2006..nothing special could happen. well im an atheist lol but still i really dont see y 2006...its nothing than a date heh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinh Posted May 6, 2002 Share Posted May 6, 2002 Originally posted by OutRigged.com Reading this thread brought back memories of watchin' people on TV, back in '99.. Building 'y2k' shelters, because they knew, without a doubt, that the technology we depend on, was gonna go crazy, and the world would be in total chaos. Boy I wish I saw thier faces when 12:00am came around on January 1st, 2000.. No one can predict the future, not man, machine, or god himself, if there is a god. If the world is going to end, what're we gonna do about it? Simply put, there isn't a thing we can do. Be it total armageddon, or a 10 mile wide asteroid, we'd be dead either way.. So why sit around and worry about it? Live your life to the fullest, enjoy what time you've got now, and when the end comes, you'll know you didn't miss a thing. Correct, I cant even say it better. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
locke Posted May 6, 2002 Share Posted May 6, 2002 who gives a **** when the world ends anyway? i'd rather die kinda young instead of get down with cancer(1 in 10 gets it, i think..) and wait to die in perpetual pain.. i'm plannin to screw around till i die. when i see the asteroid or satan approaching i'll just say the sinner's prayer and die. hmm.. best of both worlds, literally :evil: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keldyn Posted May 6, 2002 Share Posted May 6, 2002 Damn....i thought it was JimF again... /Puts away the heavy artillery.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy_Seb Posted May 6, 2002 Share Posted May 6, 2002 Originally posted by neo1980 All 3 main religions in the world think in a way it is, what do u think I THINK WE'RE ALL DOOMED AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNNNNNNNNNN! AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! :p :p :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aco Veteran Posted May 6, 2002 Veteran Share Posted May 6, 2002 Can you quote the three books and let us interperet if we think they say armageddon will occur in 2006? :s BTW, stay on topic people - a question has been asked and hardly anyone has answered or responded to the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farchord Posted May 6, 2002 Share Posted May 6, 2002 ok, so let's clarify sumthin. When u talk of the end of the world, it's a small word, for example, people in the 2nd WW thought that that was the end of the world, the Roswell incident was also taken as the end of the world, so, in other world, uh i meant, in other words, the end of the world will happen when we'll be able to destroy ourself, yep bcause it won't be extra terrestrials which will destroy us, but ourselves! Pollution, stupid wars, ... We're all kind of stupids that even can't take care of themselves, we're destroying ourselves! O well, you could say that we're kinda idiots, can't even keep ourselves alive :/ :disappoin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yazoo Posted May 6, 2002 Share Posted May 6, 2002 Originally posted by Toxikk uhh, i dont think those religions all warship the same god. Yes they do its the method in which they worship (reigion) that differs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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