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If you are good at linguistics, would you like to indicate the following sentences pleasant or unpleasant? Thanks

in anticipation

(1) Perhaps never am I a sage in the world.

(2) The France does be the paradise of an epicurean.

(3) Considering your all thumbs manner, I'm afraid there is no any eloquence in your speaking.

(Note: In the (3), word "no" means "not any", so using "I'm afraid there is 'not any any' eloquence in your speaking" to "thoroughly deny". Does this expression work?)

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Hmm...I'm guessing English isn't your first language. First of all, the topic should be "Interested in grammar and rhetoric". After that:

1)Perphaps I will never be a sage in this world.

2)France is paradise for the epicurean.

3)This one is a little tricky. I'd imagine by "all thumbs" you mean thumbs up, or ****y manner, so it should probably read something like:

"Given your attitude, I'm dissapointed there is no eloquence in your speaking."

Something like that, anyway.

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Okay, let me try, I am just guessing here:

1) Well, I hope you shall be wise in this world some time. Sad.

2) I always thought that, France, the centre of luxury and sensual pleasures. Or do you mean the French writer Anatole France? Informative but with no mood, possibly pleasent though.

3) Possibly being in a state of a htich-hiker (the thumb used to get car lifts), or to make something dirty by use thus in a careless state? Because of you, negative, state, you can not speak forcefully, expressively, and persuasively, possibly out due to lazyness. Definitly negative.

I am just being vague but I am thinking quickly about it.

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A.These expressions make little or no sense. Rule #1 of English is that it must fit into the local geographical context. Although this leads to many variations, I would be hard pressed to believe you would find any current use for any of the three phrases. They all irritate me to no end.

B. You should have gone for a newbie context, i.e.;

1.) S@g3 Suxor!

2.) France Rulz!

3.) l33t haxors rulz!

That may have made more (sic) sense to some of the people here...

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#1 comes closest to an accepted English grammatical structure, hence it's the more "pleasant" of the three, but none will win in a selection based on rhetoric.

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"Interested on" is just a typo, still, thank you for your correction.

1) If having to use future tense, is the sentence " Probably never will I be a sage in the world" better than the sentence " I will probably never be a sage in the world",

due to the former is more bitter than the latter?

2) If discarding "does be", should the sentence be expressed with "France is really paradise for the epicurean"? Because of word "do" means "used as a means of emphasis".

3) I think "all thumbs" can just mean "Lacking physical coordination, skill, or grace; clumsy."(see: American Heritage), which is against "thumbs up". So for the reason of "thorough denial", how about using "no any " instead of "no" in that special situation? I know this is not standard English, but as a slang expression, does it work? (I deem all your advice has changed "intense sunshine" into "watery sunshine", making the style a little different)

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Those are awful sentences. Just because a sentence is technically correct (which I'm not saying these are) does not mean that it is correct use of English. Yoda is a prime example - he speaks in a strange way that, while being somewhat correct, is actually poor use of English.

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1) "I will probably never be a sage in this world" is better.

2) You can't use do in that sense in that sentance.

3) I get the reference to "all thumbs", but no one uses it in that sense. It means clumsy or akward, but never in speech.

I have a feeling your looking these phrases up in the dictionary, and many of the ones you are finding are either obsolete or can't be used where your putting them (such as does be).

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Originally posted by deadzombie

A.These expressions make little or no sense. Rule #1 of English is that it must fit into the local geographical context. Although this leads to many variations, I would be hard pressed to believe you would find any current use for any of the three phrases. They all irritate me to no end.

B. You should have gone for a newbie context, i.e.;

1.) S@g3 Suxor!

2.) France Rulz!

3.) l33t haxors rulz!

That may have made more (sic) sense to some of the people here...

I say to thee, given your l33t to thy nature, it is all but in its fullest form of eloquence and raving charms.

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I won't comment on wether or not they're pleasant statement, but I will comment on the practicality.

1) Is written in what I like to call YodaSpeak. While its fun to write and talk like that - "Believe in the force, you must" - its not very effective in speaking, writing it is acceptable but "You must believe in the force" for example is more effective.

2 & 3 are written in British english. While its certainly acceptable in Britan and Australia and maybe Canada, it doesn't go over too well in the US unless you're in academia.

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