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I want Microsoft to make a windows with NO media player, no Internet explorer, no Photo Options, no programs, and in the buying paper it should say if you dont see anything dont blame us, blame the following 9 states and if you dont see the software to do things, then go and get it from the Computer store and buy it there cuz we will be sued again even if we include programs as optional, waste your fuel, this is life

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Originally posted by neo1980

I want Microsoft to make a windows with NO media player, no Internet explorer, no Photo Options, no programs, and in the buying paper it should say if you dont see anything dont blame us, blame the following 9 states and if you dont see the software to do things, then go and get it from the Computer store and buy it there cuz we will be sued again even if we include programs as optional, waste your fuel, this is life

but i want it with media player, but not movie maker, but with IE, but without Visual Styles, but With hi-res ICon support

this example is why this is going to be absolutely lutacris and impossible and I totally agree with Microsofts Argument.

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If you made windows withoght IE, most program that display any type of web content would not work. Also, don't you need some type of browser do get started with? How would you go about getting the programs that you don't have or a media player. I am not a big fan of WMP though i think mplayer2 is fine.

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Originally posted by username

If you made windows withoght IE, most program that display any type of web content would not work. Also, don't you need some type of browser do get started with? How would you go about getting the programs that you don't have or a media player. I am not a big fan of WMP though i think mplayer2 is fine.

if you remote all of IE, any application programmer who uses the Internet Explorer Browser Control, their application would stop functioning! they would then have to literally create 1 version of their product for every single broswer on the market, to work with!

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also... without a browser, how might i get my hands on a browser?? ive got old IE cd's, but i dont want the old stuff if i can have new, i cant exactly download it can i?? thats crap

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i have nothing against my country, i enjoy being a US citizen, but im sorry, those nine states and that judge are just in the wrong on this one.

TS

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Originally posted by neo1980

blame the following 9 states and if you dont see the software to do things, then go and get it from the Computer store and buy it there cuz we will be sued again even if we include programs as optional, waste your fuel, this is life

You are from CANADA, I don't see your government taking any steps on this so complain about your own government. MS will see whatever it wants in canada still.

You need to have a browser within an OS, they go hand and hand these days, just about everyone knows this. However, an option to uninstall WMP and movie maker could be applied. However, you have to keep the mplayer2 because again, many other programs use its APIs (just like IE) to function.

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I just hope MS wins this battle, otherwise it would be really bad for consumers in general, Windows is just right, nice and neat the way it is, removing/changing its elements like the states want, would be desastrous for Windows, I just hope it doesn't happen, Not just microsoft and consumers will be hurt, but also those companies who build up and work along with Microsoft Windows as many products out there will simply not work or have big trouble and would need to be totally updated from ground up.

Greetings

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omg you people are fools... :D

IE should be removed, but not the IE ENGINE. It's fine to leave it in there, it's transparent to the user. What they want to combat is when that technology is used in what can be a separate product but is forced onto the user anyways. Yes, both IE and parts of Windows use the IE engine, but both can make use of it as SEPARATE products. Using technoliges in one program as part of another does not consititute a monopolistic tactic. When you FORCE people to use other products bundled into one of your original products, it IS a monopolistic tactic!

Get the facts straight. IE does equal the Windows HTML Parsing Engine....

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Originally posted by timdorr

omg you people are fools... :D

I said you need to keep the APIs (engine), so that makes me a fool?

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And you defenately will NEVER understand how the word STANDARD has made the PC what it is today, you will never understand how having a ONLY-ONE way of windows have helped the development of the net and PC in general, Look at Linux, try it see what so many choices gives the consumers, a pile of crappy programs that hardly work, really good for programmers but really poor and hard CHOICE for Little Peter who doesnt know anything about computers and wants to get his game running on Mandrake or Red Hat.

Don't get me wrong Linux is a great OS, specially for businesses, but the CHOICES there is what is preventing that OS from really getting into the desktop.

In short, so many versions of Windows will bring chaos to the desktop. simply as that.

Sorry for any spelling erros, my English fails at me at times, not my native language.

Regards

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Originally posted by werejag

timdorr

do not waste you time on these people! they just will never understand the word "choice". they just follow microsoft like sheep.

What about my choice to buy a full featured OS? I like windows as it is, but now if these nine states win, Microsoft will have to spend time and money to offer a different versions to please everyone. For us consumers this means higher prices and longer development cycles...That really helps us doesn't it?

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Originally posted by spanky

What about my choice to buy a full featured OS? I like windows as it is, but now if these nine states win, Microsoft will have to spend time and money to offer a different versions to please everyone. For us consumers this means higher prices and longer development cycles...That really helps us doesn't it?

so you are telling me that you only use microsoft made programs???

microsoft's development cycle needs improving they are kicking out chit as fast as the first byte hit the compiler. the os has way to many bugs. how will thoughtful programing kill windows or microsoft???

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an os with a step by step, program by program confirmation of each installation.

section : browsers

choose : IE, Netscape, Opera, other

each program is available on the net, the installation program makes use of the IE engine to download the chosen browser. for the 'other' choice you'd have to know the location of the installer and point the os installer to that location.

this is then repeated for every piece of software.

you guys finally get your choice, but with increased hassle and installation time.

This is my passed midnite solution that i just pulled from the top of my head :p

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lazydesert: that is way too compicated for the average user.

The majority of people want Microsoft to keep their OSs the way the are. Again, I would like to see some uninstall options like WMP and the movie thing, or I could not use them like I do now.

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Originally posted by lazydesert

an os with a step by step, program by program confirmation of each installation.

section : browsers

choose : IE, Netscape, Opera, other

each program is available on the net, the installation program makes use of the IE engine to download the chosen browser. for the 'other' choice you'd have to know the location of the installer and point the os installer to that location.

this is then repeated for every piece of software.

you guys finally get your choice, but with increased hassle and installation time.

This is my passed midnite solution that i just pulled from the top of my head :p

agreed, some companies (opera, netscape, mozilla...) needs to cooperate with microsoft giving to ms their url to the browser installer, in that way ms can make a simple click and download in a "browser manager"

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Originally posted by Ely

And you defenately will NEVER understand how the word STANDARD has made the PC what it is today, you will never understand how having a ONLY-ONE way of windows have helped the development of the net and PC in general, Look at Linux, try it see what so many choices gives the consumers, a pile of crappy programs that hardly work, really good for programmers but really poor and hard CHOICE for Little Peter who doesnt know anything about computers and wants to get his game running on Mandrake or Red Hat.

Don't get me wrong Linux is a great OS, specially for businesses, but the CHOICES there is what is preventing that OS from really getting into the desktop.

In short, so many versions of Windows will bring chaos to the desktop. simply as that.

Sorry for any spelling erros, my English fails at me at times, not my native language.

Regards

so now you claim that microsoft created arpnet (pre corpate internet for your uneducated arse)!! thats rich!!

looks from your poor swipe at linux you have no clue about linux.

so in your "1984 view" choice means death. truth means microsoft. " m$ standard" means life for the computer world

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lazydesert: that is way too compicated for the average user.

The majority of people want Microsoft to keep their OSs the way the are. Again, I would like to see some uninstall options like WMP and the movie thing, or I could not use them like I do now.

then i think this should be the difference between pro and home,

make home the pretty all-in-one package so the newbs and incompetent users arent horribly confused, and make pro the OS of the choice, when you customize your installation for your own needs..

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Originally posted by werejag

so you are telling me that you only use microsoft made programs???

No, I use any programs that I please, regardless of the publisher. The difference is that I don't ***** about any and everything. Nothing is keeping me from using the software that I want and no one is forcing me to use software that I don't want to use...Furthermore, if I felt that was the case, then I would switch OS's, there are plenty of other choices... However, I doubt that certain people will be happy with anything. If all else fails, create your own OS and stick it...well where ever you want it.

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Originally posted by spanky

If all else fails, create your own OS and stick it...well where ever you want it.

lol, :D

i agree with this view, i have a lot of included xp software that i never use,

i dont mind that its there

it doesnt bug me

i leave it alone, it leaves me alone

sure it takes up a little space, but most of us have huge hard drives (10 gig+) and that used space isnt going to amount to much...

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Originally posted by Ely

[bLook at Linux, try it see what so many choices gives the consumers, a pile of crappy programs that hardly work, really good for programmers but really poor and hard CHOICE for Little Peter who doesnt know anything about computers and wants to get his game running on Mandrake or Red Hat[/b]

agreed, there are vast numbers of programs for linux and the installation could be labeled a nightmare(at least) the ones that work the best are the ones included with the distribution. . . . something to think about..

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Originally posted by spanky

No, I use any programs that I please, regardless of the publisher. The difference is that I don't ***** about any and everything. Nothing is keeping me from using the software that I want and no one is forcing me to use software that I don't want to use...Furthermore, if I felt that was the case, then I would switch OS's, there are plenty of other choices... However, I doubt that certain people will be happy with anything. If all else fails, create your own OS and stick it...well where ever you want it.

but as for the programs that m$ installed "for your convinance" you have no choice. their there if you use them or not taking up space, no choice to uninstall them with out hacking them out. choice is the issue not some 1984 standard that people like you claim.

remember choice is the issue !!!!!!

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