Ravager Posted May 20, 2002 Author Share Posted May 20, 2002 Why not have both!? :D My Supra 1337 Desktop! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldoen Posted May 20, 2002 Share Posted May 20, 2002 Divide Overflow. Although I don't agree with your last comments to the young lady. Your book reference is Completely flawed without giving specifics in how the data is stored. Using code page 1250 I do agree that in general (even with few additional characters in the German language) that a book written in either language will be generally the same size. That is true of any of the Central European languages that Code Page 1250 supports. Using UTF-8, That goes completely out the door, as Even German characters go to dual bytes to support the Common european languages. So an average German publication will be twice the size of the normal English language Using UTF-16, Most of the common languages are on common ground. Just the variences of the languages. in the BPL all are coded at 16 bits. Remember Codeing of the lanugages directly impacts both Memory usage and Storage usage. And not clarifying that one piece of information can invalidate any argument. El Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest deadzombie Posted May 20, 2002 Share Posted May 20, 2002 What Wickedkitten did not do, was attack you. She did say that your logic was flawed, and that she would give you a chance not come off like a dummy. Not that you had, but that the chance was there that you might. Now you turned around and personally attacked her. Not only did you insist that she sounded like an ######, and that she was sexually frustrated and/ or being a ***** due to her period. And as to your original point, you said How so? A book written in English and a book written in German will more than likely take up about the same amount of space, since neither language is superior to the other. Wickedkitten proved that to be an incorrect assumption. Your arguement was flawed, and you seem to be attacking Wickedkitten personally instead of looking for a better analogy. C'mon, get with it man. Again I say, that post is uncalled for. If you were to accept the truth of this you could show your decency by editing the post yourself and removing the offensive slander. but that would require courage and dignity. I ask; "Do you have either?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickedkitten Veteran Posted May 20, 2002 Veteran Share Posted May 20, 2002 Originally posted by Divide Overflow Ahh, quite a refreshing display of sarcasm and idiocy. Not to mention the fact that you sound like a complete ######. My book analogy is not flawed, and I know well the differences between languages and how one language can have an advantage over another. How is your book analogy not flawed? You just said that a book written in English would use up the same amount of pages as a book written in German and I just proved that the book in German would take up more space. This is actually my point. I was told, by you, that Macs and PCs cannot be compared. Yet somehow, memory management on a Mac is more efficient. Ok you take a look at your windows directory yeah? And if you can tell me that your entire Windows XP Directory not including program files is smaller than 642.9 mb which is what my osx system and library folder is then I will concede the point that memory management on a mac isn't as efficient. I would however suggest that you look into the hfs+ filesystem and the advantages that it has over ntfs when accessing virtual memory, also the fact that you can easily run a *nix system on 64mb of ram or less which should tell you something about the way it manages memory.All I ask is for you or one of your fellow biggots to explain why and how. Not for a smart ass attitude spawned from sexual frustration or mood swings due to it being "That time of the month". . Amateur argument that I'm not even going to bother responding to seeing as how you're not worth the 2 seconds it would take to come up with an appropriate insult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MajorSham Posted May 20, 2002 Share Posted May 20, 2002 Originally posted by Eldoen Divide Overflow. Although I don't agree with your last comments to the young lady. Your book reference is Completely flawed without giving specifics in how the data is stored. I'm not talking about different standards of storing information, I'm talking about the languages themselves. How in Japanese a single character can represent a word, when in most other languages it takes multiple characters to do so and how supposedly Macs are supposed to be different from PCs in the way they manage memory, and therefore are supposedly more efficient.Regardless of the validity of my "book analogy" the point still stands. You people have been focusing on wether or not you view the analogy as accurate, totally missing the point of my question - How are Macs different at managing memory when compared to PCs, so that they are not comparable? On top of this, somehow a preconception exists in the Mac camp that Macs are better at managing memory than Wintel PCs - Mind also explaining this to me? All I asked for was an explanation, and I joked for her to teach me of the Mac's superior ways. I was greeted to statements implying that I am a moron (I point to a statement concerning me using Google to prepare myself for her superior knowledge, so that I don't look like a moron next time I confronted her. . ), rather than an actual answer to the question. And as if that weren't enough, you're defending this. . little lady. . simply due to her gender, as if the rest of you have never seen, met, or spoken with the opposite sex before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MajorSham Posted May 20, 2002 Share Posted May 20, 2002 Originally posted by Wickedkitten How is your book analogy not flawed? You just said that a book written in English would use up the same amount of pages as a book written in German and I just proved that the book in German would take up more space. Forget the analogy, you're missing the point. How are Macs better at managing memory than PCs? Show me statistics, actual data.Ok you take a look at your windows directory yeah? And if you can tell me that your entire Windows XP Directory not including program files is smaller than 642.9 mb which is what my osx system and library folder is then I will concede the point that memory management on a mac isn't as efficient. I would however suggest that you look into the hfs+ filesystem and the advantages that it has over ntfs when accessing virtual memory, also the fact that you can easily run a *nix system on 64mb of ram or less which should tell you something about the way it manages memory. That is storage space, not memory management. This is not about virtual memory, or file systems. Those are all related to STORAGE. I am talking about the management of those nice and neat little microchips called "RAM". You can have an application that is only about 800 kilobytes in size, take up about 8 megabytes of RAM. Also, with regards to Unix systems, as I said, no two *nix OSes are alike. I've seen MacOS X run on 64MB of RAM, and it isn't pretty. You're once again just claiming that because MacOS X is based on a Unix clone, that it is just somehow better. Nevermind the fact that Unix was originally developed in the 70s, and it's stability, security and performace were due to the sheer fact that it was constantly being refined for a number of years. This development does not carry over into FreeBSD, Linux, Solaris, HP-UX or what have you simply because they mimic Unix. They are based very little, if at all on actual Unix code. The only benefit you get from these OSes is that they use the same methods for security. Multiple user environments, cascading levels of security, etc. Amateur argument that I'm not even going to bother responding to seeing as how you're not worth the 2 seconds it would take to come up with an appropriate insult. Heh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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