VaxoP Posted May 29, 2002 Share Posted May 29, 2002 Ive got a AMD 1Ghz processor with 468 ram, geforce2 and a 20gb hd (3 partitions), and a 40gb hd, running winxp It seems as though whenever i play a game for too long (50 mins) whether its on directx, or opengl, the game freezes, sometimes booting me back to the desktop and sometimes just freezes - either the screen freezes completely and i lose keyboard/mouse, or my mouse/keyboard dont work anymore in the game. (this is mostly with unreal tournament) When playing starcraft for a long time, it just closes itself, or restarts. When the computer restarts by itself (or when I restart it after 1.5 hours or so of internet surfing/programming/chatting) the screen wont show up, and you can hear it powering up and as soon as its powered, i hear "BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP " - very loud beeps rapidly. So, I wait 5 mins, and then finally the computer will actually boot up without the beeps. I have no idea why this is happening.. I figured it was overheating.. so I tested it. Normally, this weirdness occured after my CPU was above 47 degrees C, and ive never seen it above 53 because either my computer froze, or it dosnt get that high. The sys is usually at 35C or so when this happens. So, is this a overheating problem? is this due to my HD (the 20gb one which is split in 3 partitions)? is it something else? Please help me - this is getting VERY annoying - its been happening since I got my computer a year ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaxoP Posted May 29, 2002 Author Share Posted May 29, 2002 *bump* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.dan Posted May 29, 2002 Share Posted May 29, 2002 If I were too take a guess at it, it would be overheating. If its not, keeping your machine cool can't hurt! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaxoP Posted May 29, 2002 Author Share Posted May 29, 2002 is 40-50 degrees celsius too high? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quboid Posted May 29, 2002 Share Posted May 29, 2002 I presume you mean that value to be the CPU temp? If so, it's fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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cyb3rn3tic Posted May 29, 2002 Share Posted May 29, 2002 Why am I not surprise eh? well it obv to do with ya CPU, AMD isnt excatly stable and cool, it more like unstable and overheatin, to solve this solution is get massive thermal fan to keep ya CPU cool as possible or with a cooler Case that provide a good airflow! I have nothing against AMD but personally it isnt good really! Most people goes "it great for gaming" I see no different! I rather have Pentium 4 Northwood Model, I would say that really Kickass CPU either provide very stable and doesnt heat up at all as AMD often do! I have couple of friends who drop Intel CPU for AMD because of it is cheap and faster, apparently they now droppin AMD, why? cos it a crock of ****! so u better off havin Northwood Pentium 4 CPU 2.2Ghz or above! Im sure this wont let u down! and of course get youself another mobo that support RAMBUS and DDR! nice to have 2 option either u havent waste your money on DDR! :) hf! **** off with the benchmark lark, amd doesnt beat intel on reliability hands down check out dis out and sort out your fact properly! :p http://www.hardcoreware.net/reviews/proces...p_vs_p4_2/1.php AMD's recommended thermal solutions list <-- What this? ROFL The 2100+ is no exception, being the very last 0.18 micron CPU. During our testing, normal operating temperature, with a pretty big sized heatsink and a loud fan, is around 50-55 degrees for this chip. Compare that to the P4 2.4, which hardly got over 35 degrees with the stock Intel cooler! http://www.hardcoreware.net/reviews/proces...4_533_fsb/1.php <-------- We can now say that Intel is absolutely kicking AMD's ass in desktop CPU performance without having to duck for cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathSniper Posted May 29, 2002 Share Posted May 29, 2002 Stick to the fact... amd is alot better then intel... amd has beaten intel's benchmarks (almost 50% of the time) so I don't think thats the problem.. here's what I would do.. get the the latest drivers for all you stuff, sound card, video card etc.. then if that still isn't helping get a case fan,. one that takes out the heat from the case not one that blows the air around.. then if thats still isn't working try getting new fans for the cpu and if possible the chipset of the motherboard or even the video card.. if none of that is working I would take it in and have someone do a test on the items in the case and see if there is any problems with them.. Hope that helps.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiro Posted May 31, 2002 Share Posted May 31, 2002 As I have read this thread, I tend to swing alongside Cyb3rn3tic, as I see that Intel wins when it comes to reliability. Having myself had AMD and Intel, I much prefer Intel due to their reliability and solid performance which necessary might not be the fastest, but it won't let you down. Stick to the fact... amd is alot better then intel...amd has beaten intel's benchmarks (almost 50% of the time) so I don't think thats the problem.. Having looked at your signature, you are biased therefore you shouldn't have an opinion until you've tried out or owned both I would presume? As for the solution, I would assume, some serious cooling as AMD CPU's do generate a lot of heat and if the heatsink went... ooo bang crash sizzle! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKer Posted May 31, 2002 Share Posted May 31, 2002 What power supply u using, as my friend discovered his fan wasn't cooling properly, and replaced his psu to find this was the problem (about 350w should be ideal for your system). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad Posted May 31, 2002 Share Posted May 31, 2002 ROFL. Ignore all the crap everyone else has posted. The 5 "BEEPs" you heard are beep codes, used to identify problems that occur before your BIOS POST's. I'd recommend you either check your motherboard manual or contact your motherboarc manuf. and find out what "5 short beep codes mean" (there's a different between short and long beeps). Now, this problem could be anything from your motherboard, to your cpu, to your memory, to possibly your video card - but I'm guessing a memory error (possibly a memory timing issue). Could your post your motherboard manufacturer and memory manufacturer? It might also help if you set some options in your bios to "less optimal settings" (such as Factory Default). If you're overclocking ANYTHING, revert to "normal" settings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerkPY Posted May 31, 2002 Share Posted May 31, 2002 Re-install your operating system. By the time you find out how to fix your problem, you could fo re-installed your operating system and installed all of your programs and games. If you have fast computer, it would take 2 hours, max. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad Posted May 31, 2002 Share Posted May 31, 2002 If his computer isn't posting right, I don't see how reinstalling Windows is going to fix anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uniacid Posted May 31, 2002 Share Posted May 31, 2002 Also check ur ram, i;ve had problem like that b4, anyways AMD does not beat Intel by much, either by 1 or 2 points or a bit more but they dont really make a difference, but now that Intel has the 533 bus I think AMD aint gonna win anymore till their new chip comes out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLegendOfMart Posted May 31, 2002 Share Posted May 31, 2002 your also forgetting that the latest AMD XP is cheaper than the latest P4 by about ?100-?150 over here in the UK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaMan Posted May 31, 2002 Share Posted May 31, 2002 I'm betting it's your RAM. A defect in the RAM chip may not be obvious until all of it is being used, in this case, when you're playing games, it's using all your RAM therefore also using the defective part of the RAM because it's near the end of the DIMM. Try taking one of your DIMM's out and testing the system, and then swap the DIMM for another again (sort of like when you have to search for the faulty appliance that trips the safety switch in your house). Also, like someone said, those 5 beeps do have some significance, I'm trying to remember back when we learnt the post beep codes, I think 5 was memory or CPU, I'm not sure. If you can't find your manual, just do a search on google, typing in the model of your mobo (you can catch it when the BIOS pops up). I hope this helps, good luck, sorry if this is incoherent, I'm really tired tonight. EDIT: Here are some POST beep codes for 5 beeps.. AMI BIOS: Problem with RAM. Standard Original IBM: Problem with motherboard or power supply (continious beeping in this case, nothing was listed for 5) Phoenix BIOS: (here's a list) BEEP - PAUSE - BEEP - PAUSE - BEEP BEEP BEEP (Your computer can't read the configuration info stored in the CMOS. Replace the motherboard.) BEEP - PAUSE - BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP (Replace BIOS chip) BEEP - PAUSE - BEEP BEEP BEEP - PAUSE - BEEP (Motherboard problem) Lower sounding beeping.. BEEP - PAUSE - BEEP - PAUSE - BEEP BEEP BEEP (RAM problem) Get more beep codes here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaxoP Posted June 15, 2002 Author Share Posted June 15, 2002 thanks a lot for the help guys :) heres more info.. theres no "5 short beeps" its infinite beeps, fast and very loud non stop. the motherboard im using is MSI - "MS-6330 Lite" i still have the sticker on one of my rams - is that the problem? (the little white information one that comes with it) my computer is at 50C when this normall happens - either its cause its too hot, or cause the ram is being used thats faulty. is there a program that can check each byte of the ram to see if its functioning properly? sometimes, when ive been using my computer a lot (with games, memory/vid card/cpu intensive stuff) i get a blue screen fora fraciton of a second and the computer restarts. when it tries to restart, the monitor wont even come on, i hear it loading up but nothing happens. 2 mins later, i can turn it on and hear the beeps. 2 mins later after that, i can turn it on agian. anyone have any advice based on this new info :)? ** just found this out i went to get newer bios drivers from msi's page, and noticed they were the award drivers. i looked at the beep codes for award, and saw this Repeating (endless loop) Memory error Check for improperly seated or missing memory. what should i do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quboid Posted June 15, 2002 Share Posted June 15, 2002 The sticker on the RAM is fine - in fact you'll probably find you won't be able to get a refund with it off. 50C isn't great but it shouldn't cause problems, unless it goes up quite a bit under load. Run 3DMark or something and check the temperture straight after quiting (straight after, not in BIOS as it will have cooled down a bit). Also, check your RAM is seated properly of course. There is memory checking programs - do a search for threads on the subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K33NU Posted June 15, 2002 Share Posted June 15, 2002 No , i don't think the problem comes from the temp ! guys an AMD cpu can go up to 90?C without any problem , check on their website if u don't trust in me:DD by the way my athlon XP 1800+ is @55?C and i don't have any problem with any game. I think you've got a bad ram dimm... Check with Norton utilities if you have it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaxoP Posted June 15, 2002 Author Share Posted June 15, 2002 is norton utilities the best for checking for bad ram? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaxoP Posted June 16, 2002 Author Share Posted June 16, 2002 is norton utilities the best for checking for bad ram? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaxoP Posted June 16, 2002 Author Share Posted June 16, 2002 god this is SO annoying i took out each peice of ram to see which was defective, and with all of them, when one was on at a time, the computer would not start (when it was used for a while of course) i cant even play unreal for more than 30 mins when it crashes. what could be causing this? The beeping codes mean <pre>Repeating (endless loop) Memory error Check for improperly seated or missing memory. </pre> wtf is missing memory? and what can i do to stop this? this is getting very frustrating.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomb Posted June 16, 2002 Share Posted June 16, 2002 wtf is missing memory? and what can i do to stop this? this is getting very frustrating.. it appears that the memory slot on the motherboard my be bad. that beep code says, Memory error Check for improperly seated or missing memory which at this point is meaning ram slot on board. if you've already swapped the mem sticks around and still gettng beep code. it has to be your motherboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kompressor Posted June 16, 2002 Share Posted June 16, 2002 ok dude this is my oppinion and this i think you should use as your last resort. i higly doubt that its your CPU becaus on almost all machines, if the CPU overheats there is a "safety" that COMPLETELY shuts down your comp..not freez it ...not return you to your desktop. on almost all computers...the computer shuts down completely as soon as a certain temp. is hit. *now if it is ur CPU overheating you can simply solve this by buy a gel pack, which is a special cooling pack for your CPU. its not expensive, and you should get someone who knows what they are doing to install it. i also doubt that its your RAM, because all the games (starcraft and other fairly new games that you could be running dont really require that much RAM*especially starcraft), so its not your ram. so if its not your ram or CPU, MY suggestion would be to fromat all your HD, and reinstall everything. back up all ur files and improtant stuff, and refromat. now i would only use this as a final resort... well hope this helps, if you dont wana risk any damadge just get it to some comp guys and take a reading on your CPU temp. good luck:D :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krome Posted June 16, 2002 Share Posted June 16, 2002 check the motherboard RAM slot to see if all the pins are not broken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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