+hayc59 MVC Posted April 27, 2005 MVC Share Posted April 27, 2005 The American Hero Band is a free wrist band worn by Americans to demonstrate their support of the "Defenders of Freedom" who are Army National Guard Soldiers deployed across the globe. Engraved on the metallic wrist band are the words IN HONOR OF AN AMERICAN HERO, SERVING IN THE ARMY NATIONAL GUARD. These words are flanked left by the Army National Guard logo and right by the American Flag. There is also an inscription of the National Guard web site, www.VirtualArmory.com, and a unique serial number engraved inside this commemorative wrist band. Product Info: American Hero Band Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainOats Posted April 27, 2005 Share Posted April 27, 2005 I've got two of them. They're not very comfortable to wear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+hayc59 MVC Posted April 27, 2005 Author MVC Share Posted April 27, 2005 Still waiting for mine to come :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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R-Flex Posted April 27, 2005 Share Posted April 27, 2005 Repectfully, without damaging their humanity, I see little encouragement of deferrence to peace by giving worship to those who have joined an organization dedicated to the science of murder. There is a certain hope I hold for soldiers as misguided direction of their lives, but little is to be admired of their chosen profession. Why, of all those who makes their living in any nation, have soldiers been chosen as celebrated heroes? Similar celebrity status amongst those who have positive images in the world media, such as athletes, is hardly suprising, but I see little purpose in those who emerge as war aficionados, supporting any given side in superficial conflicts. Few exceptional qualities surface from service to war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rumbleph1$h Posted April 27, 2005 Share Posted April 27, 2005 Repectfully, without damaging their humanity, I see little encouragement of deferrence to peace by giving worship to those who have joined an organization dedicated to the science of murder. There is a certain hope I hold for soldiers as misguided direction of their lives, but little is to be admired of their chosen profession. Why, of all those who makes their living in any nation, have soldiers been chosen as celebrated heroes? Similar celebrity status amongst those who have positive images in the world media, such as athletes, is hardly suprising, but I see little purpose in those who emerge as war aficionados, supporting any given side in superficial conflicts. Few exceptional qualities surface from service to war. 585835683[/snapback] You're right. There really is NO respect for those who volunteer to risk their lives to protect and secure the freedoms we enjoy every day. :no: psssh...quite honestly, what kind of rubbish are they teaching you in your schools? 'dedicated to the science of murder'? :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axon Posted April 27, 2005 Share Posted April 27, 2005 What other interests are there in the Military besides warfare? I too fully respect the bravery soldiers exhibit, but, when it comes down to it, their job is to kill. They are trained in the most efficient ways to terminate someones life. They are taught ('Schooled') to kill. It may not sound pretty, but in a rudementry way his analogy is correct. In our school's we're not sheiled by half-truths that stand in the way of reality, and last I checked, we were ranking rather high overall internationally in schooling. -Ax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Veteran Posted April 27, 2005 Veteran Share Posted April 27, 2005 Repectfully, without damaging their humanity, I see little encouragement of deferrence to peace by giving worship to those who have joined an organization dedicated to the science of murder. There is a certain hope I hold for soldiers as misguided direction of their lives, but little is to be admired of their chosen profession. Why, of all those who makes their living in any nation, have soldiers been chosen as celebrated heroes? Similar celebrity status amongst those who have positive images in the world media, such as athletes, is hardly suprising, but I see little purpose in those who emerge as war aficionados, supporting any given side in superficial conflicts. Few exceptional qualities surface from service to war. 585835683[/snapback] You think all wars are superficial? Killing in wartime and murder are not even closely analogous, please try harder. For all the fancy terminology you toss about in your post you managed to say practically nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudworth Posted April 27, 2005 Share Posted April 27, 2005 (edited) Few exceptional qualities surface from service to war. 585835683[/snapback] ....w.....t.....f...... yeah, cuz no-one ever gained leadership qualities, courage, dependability, or an appreciation of life and their quality of life, from serving in a war, they came out slovenly maniacal sociopaths who are itching to kill everything that moves......good lord..... "misguided direction" ha! Someone who believes in something enough to be willing to potentially die in its name, may not follow YOUR direction, but it is a noble direction through and through. IM*H*O, it is the people who go to war who have the most to offer society, because they posess selfless qualities, and are greatly more qualified not to mention JUSTIFIED, in speaking out against the horrors of war, since they have experienced them first hand, not just been force-fed pacifist jibberish... and since when does soldiering have to be a chosen profession? sometimes people get drafted.... Soldiers have been celebrated heros since time immemorial because it is they who have stood in defence of a people against the enemy I have utmost respect for anyone who chooses a profession where there is always a good chance they could be killed, or whats worse mangled and mutilated, but alive enough to live and suffer. and as was said centuries ago "those who desire peace, prepare for war" *edit* They are trained in the most efficient ways to terminate someones life. They are taught ('Schooled') to kill thats pretty easy to say, but not so easy to back-up. I might have been taught the easiest way to save someones life using CPR, but that doesnt mean I didnt freeze-up and end up watching someone die when the situation was real and there were things at stake. what I take from hearing veterans speak, is that no-matter how hard they beat you in basic, or how much they try to simulate the real deal, nothing compares to actually being shot at, or actually having to kill someone. Edited April 27, 2005 by Scudworth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R-Flex Posted April 27, 2005 Share Posted April 27, 2005 I am a journalist student, I try to use my knowledge. OK, since you can't understand what I said, I will repeat it using simpler terms. It does make points. "Although they are human, this move does not encourage peace because it honours people who joined the army, a group that finds ways to kill others. I don't see soldiers as maniacs who only want to kill, but we should not admire a job that involves killing other people. Why are soldiers the ones to be honoured? Unlike athletes, who often have a good image in media, it is unusual to honour soldiers, and it is unusual to support a side in a battle. War does not give out good qualities." Simple enough? Easy to understand? Good. Scudworth, sure you can list some positive traits that some may come away with, but I disagree with your idea that war makes an excellent individual. Especially that bit about appreciation of life. If you can appreciate life as it is, it would be hard to kill another person, no? And I never said that they are all murdering maniacs who despise life, I only commented on that joining a military may be a misguided move. Also, how can you say pacifism is "jibberish?" Is war an acceptable practice? You talk about soldiers as if they are the greatest heroes of society, but in the end they kill other humans. I also tactfully disagree that soldiers are those most responsible for "speaking out against the horrors of war". You are saying that experiencing war causes soldiers to speak out against it, yet you ignore them, and approve of warfare. Refugees would likely say otherwise. They did not have any defense, unlike the American soldier with a gun and a tank. Yes, I respect someone that risks their life, but only for a noble cause. Killing is NOT a noble cause. Many are portrayed as heroes by propoganda. They display the enemy as mindless barbarians. The 'enemies' are people too. War is always two feuding nations pitting young men against each other, even when those fighting have no grudge. In World War I, millions were slaughtered, killing men that were the exact same. Being German didn't make them evil, yet they still died. They died for their country. Are they heroes? No, you would say not, because they fought for someone 'evil.' The Christmas Day Truce of WWI showed that they had no grudge, as both sides partied together. They did not hate each other. They were told to kill each other. That is not heroic, nor noble. I do not see soldiers as heroes. Yes, that quote regarding peace being achieved through war was often true, but for the wrong reasons. Today, we have peace in North America, yet we still have wars. I desire peace, and I have it. I need not go to war, and my country is ill prepared to fight, yet we have freedom. Axon is completely right. Soldiers are trained in the best ways to kill the enemy. You cannot deny that. That is their job. Do not skirt the issue by some terrible analogy. Soldiers are taught how to kill efficiently by their instructors AND their experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudworth Posted April 27, 2005 Share Posted April 27, 2005 ...but we should not admire a job that involves killing other people... well then I guess qw better not admire police then either, because in extreme cases, they are in a position where they may have to kill someone ...and it is unusual to support a side in a battle. how is it unusual to support a side in battle? it's no more unusual than you opposing this topic and me supporting it.... No, you would say not, because they fought for someone 'evil.' no, I wouldnt say they were evil, Germany in WWI was fighting for territory, even in terms of WWII, Im not ignorant enough to classify every german soldier as an anti-semit nazi I need not go to war, and my country is ill prepared to fight, yet we have freedom. yeah, thats right, you dont, because there are others who are willing to go in your stead, since someone has to do it. I'll prepared, perhaps, but quality does function in the place of quantity, Canada proved itself in WWI and WWII as some of the most capable, I am confident that we could do it again, though it goes without saying that it would be overshadowed by american techno-supremacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R-Flex Posted April 27, 2005 Share Posted April 27, 2005 The profession of police officers is not to kill, however, but to perform invaluable duties, and in a case where he must kill (other than merely wounding an aggressor), he is saving a life, and likely regrets having to take a life. On the other hand, soldiers must kill to do their jobs. It is not uncommon to finish a career as a law enforcement officer and not have killed someone. Some of the most efficient killers on the planet have killed hundreds over few short months of warfare. I find it unusual to support a side to battle, simply because many young men will die as a consequence of battle on both sides. In Iraq, I supported neither the U.S. nor the Iraqi forces, but rather regretted the loss of life. Tragic war movies that have moving scenes where one soldier dies on the 'heroic' side often show little remorse for those who were just killed by that dying soldier. Every single war that occurs leads me not to support either side, but rather have a sense of tragedy. As you have pointed out, you do see soldiers from both sides (as pointed out by the German example) as equal, not favouring the lives of one side. Should you not be supporting the soldiers of the opposing forces as well? If you do celebrate the duties of the soldiers on one side, should you not honour the opposing forces as well? If you see soldiers as noble, then why not celebrate them all? These bracelets only give thanks to one side of the conflict. We have freedom, and we don't need to repeat war again because it is so safe. I will never go to war, and I hope my country never goes either. It is foolish to go to battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axon Posted April 27, 2005 Share Posted April 27, 2005 thats pretty easy to say, but not so easy to back-up. I might have been taught the easiest way to save someones life using CPR, but that doesnt mean I didnt freeze-up and end up watching someone die when the situation was real and there were things at stake. what I take from hearing veterans speak, is that no-matter how hard they beat you in basic, or how much they try to simulate the real deal, nothing compares to actually being shot at, or actually having to kill someone. 585838335[/snapback] This is true, having knowledge, and executing knowledge are two different things. But I am only argueing that the Military does in fact teach its students/soldiers how to kill. -Ax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rumbleph1$h Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 I am a journalist student, I try to use my knowledge. OK, since you can't understand what I said, I will repeat it using simpler terms. It does make points. Journalist student? What does that have to do with anything? How can you, at age 16, claim to know more about this than anyone else? You know what you've been told. Spewing out a bunch of pseudo-intellectual gibberish isn't helping to strengthen your arguments. Refugees would likely say otherwise. They did not have any defense, unlike the American soldier with a gun and a tank. Why do 'refugees' from around the world flock to America in overwhelming numbers then? Pacifism is fine, even admirable, but NOT very practical in modern times. It's funny how you so readily spew out all of the downsides of military operations, but so readily dismiss all of the good and great things that are done on a daily basis. Things even like providing relief to tsunami victims last December. Surely such operations are nothing less than admirable. I need not go to war, and my country is ill prepared to fight, yet we have freedom. You can in part thank U.S. / Canada defense arrangements for that blanket of protection you so clearly take for granted. Like Armeck said, there's very few similarities between soldiers and murderers. Only if military operations stemmed out of blood lust and resulted in nothing good would your ludicrous claims hold true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boffa Jones Veteran Posted April 28, 2005 Veteran Share Posted April 28, 2005 You can in part thank U.S. / Canada defense arrangements for that blanket of protection you so clearly take for granted. 585839876[/snapback] I agree with this completely. We only have freedom without having to fight because we dont have to fight. But on the other hand we don't really have many enemies, so I don't know how much we have to fight anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mAcOdIn Veteran Posted April 28, 2005 Veteran Share Posted April 28, 2005 Lol, I want a show of hands from everyone saying we are "trained to kill" who has actually recieved any of this training. After 5 years as an 11B1P in the US Army, I can safely say that I can kill no better or less than any of you people on this board. Granted I can operate all the basic weapons that our unit had, M-4, M-9, AT-4, Javelin, M-203, the myriad of grenades, but that's it. I have knowledge of tactics we will use, knowledge on how to maintain and use these weapons but they don't screw with your head, they never made me a "killer". What would make you a killer is the situation, and killer should be used loosely because someone who kills in defence of his life or those around him is hardly a cold blooded killer, like say the Beltway Sniper guy we had. If we were really these bad ass killers why would so many people have trauma from these situations? Wouldn't our conciouse be clear if we were mechanical cold blooded bringers of death? Further I think alot of you are doing a great disservice to those still in with your blanket statements. You don't know these people, you don't know the normal good people that are in, those that strive always to do the right thing, and you latch on to these few bad apples and use them to paint a picture of the military as a whole. It's disgusting. Most of you are ignorant of what truly happens in the military and before you continue on I think you should try and rectify that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digipoi Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 Im guessing journalism student training for a spot on the BBC. Im with Mac on this one, dealing personally with the Marine Corp myself, they are not bred killers looking forward at the chance to shoot anything that moves. They actually have normal daily jobs (within the base) much like the outside world unless they are specifically deployed to fight in a conflict. i.e. doctors, lawyers, fiscal, mechanics, cooks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
o_87 Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 Kinda on topic, but a different conversation. I hate these "trendy" wristbands that they now make for everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R-Flex Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 Journalist student? What does that have to do with anything? How can you, at age 16, claim to know more about this than anyone else? You know what you've been told. Spewing out a bunch of pseudo-intellectual gibberish isn't helping to strengthen your arguments. Why do 'refugees' from around the world flock to America in overwhelming numbers then? Pacifism is fine, even admirable, but NOT very practical in modern times. It's funny how you so readily spew out all of the downsides of military operations, but so readily dismiss all of the good and great things that are done on a daily basis. Things even like providing relief to tsunami victims last December. Surely such operations are nothing less than admirable. You can in part thank U.S. / Canada defense arrangements for that blanket of protection you so clearly take for granted. Like Armeck said, there's very few similarities between soldiers and murderers. Only if military operations stemmed out of blood lust and resulted in nothing good would your ludicrous claims hold true. 585839876[/snapback] By my comment on my studies as a journalist, I was responding to the post that argued that I only spewed forth fancy words and no points. I meant to say that I try to use fancy words for my studies, and that I did have points in my post. Sorry for the confusion. Refugees flock not only to the U.S. but Canada as well for the safety and freedoms that we have. Thanks to war. And I do hold a certain respect for miltary operations of relief. There is nothing more admirable. That is why I admire many soldiers who have not fought but rather been trained to help those in dire need. I only oppose honouring soldiers of wartime, as I supposed the wristbands to support. While many wars have good intentions, very little result in a positive effect. I do understand that wars are not fought of 'blood lust' but rather in hopes of doing something good. Those soldiers who live normal daily lives with normal jobs I have nothing against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mAcOdIn Veteran Posted April 28, 2005 Veteran Share Posted April 28, 2005 War is a sad fact of life. You're an idealist, and while it's good that there are people like you to keep others in check you need to realise the reality of many situations. Now whether or not you agree with the Iraq war is one thing, however to say that no good comes from war is crazy talk. A treaty or agreement between two powers without force has very little binding power, your ideal depends exclusively on both sides being hell bent on avoiding war at all costs, and not only acting out of thier own self interests, and this is just generally not the case. If one side refuses to listen and abide by the rules then sometimes there just isn't any other way. And to say someone who is tasked with defending thier country doesn't deserve the same respect for those that do thier dishes is absurd. Further the band in this thread is for the National Guard, which was hardly thought of as ever really going to war. The National Guard traces it's roots back to the original town militia's and is meant to be a force that the State can deploy in both self defence AND humanitarian aid, most people never thought the NG would be called up to go to Iraq. Theoretically it should have been just the active branches and thier reserves, so alot of these people didn't know what they were getting into. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudworth Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 I love how I can never think of what to argue when it should be argued, so after the fact, here goes.... On the other hand, soldiers must kill to do their jobs. not entirely correct, how many people did the army kill when Mayor Lastman called them in to shovel snow out of Toronto? How many people do Airlift units kill when they drop food into desperate areas?...... We have freedom, and we don't need to repeat war again because it is so safe. I will never go to war, and I hope my country never goes either. It is foolish to go to battle. we have freedom because someone was willing to fight, there is without question, going to arrive a time when you can either stand and fight, or become someones B***h, or dead, depending on the motivations of the aggressor..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R-Flex Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 I must admit that the humanitarian duties performed by the military are highly admirable. However, I do not endorse war. Yes, it is a fact of life, but we should not celebrate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Veteran Posted May 2, 2005 Veteran Share Posted May 2, 2005 I must admit that the humanitarian duties performed by the military are highly admirable. However, I do not endorse war. Yes, it is a fact of life, but we should not celebrate it. 585843489[/snapback] We do not celebrate war, we celebrate the lives of those willing to sacrifce themselves to keep our country - or some country on the other side of the world - safe. Freedom is not a end product, it is a process that is constantly being challenged. We are pretty comfortable now but we should assume that once freedom is obtained that it can't be taken away from us. Yes, even your guys in Canada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreAming in DigITal Posted May 3, 2005 Share Posted May 3, 2005 Repectfully, without damaging their humanity, I see little encouragement of deferrence to peace by giving worship to those who have joined an organization dedicated to the science of murder. There is a certain hope I hold for soldiers as misguided direction of their lives, but little is to be admired of their chosen profession. Why, of all those who makes their living in any nation, have soldiers been chosen as celebrated heroes? Similar celebrity status amongst those who have positive images in the world media, such as athletes, is hardly suprising, but I see little purpose in those who emerge as war aficionados, supporting any given side in superficial conflicts. Few exceptional qualities surface from service to war. 585835683[/snapback] omfg....I'm not gonna lay into you too hard...I'll get kicked off Neowin. What a selfish turd of a statement. And all your other posts too. What percentage of time do you think the military spends killing people?? What percentage of time do you think the military spends providing relief to others or policing territories? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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