50 Million Firefox Downloads


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900mhz Athlon....

i have toasters witha higher clock speed than that.

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lol, I am waitng for the 64x toasters and the dual core ones :rofl:

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lol, I am waitng for the 64x toasters and the dual core ones  :rofl:

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Me too!! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

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Firefox will overtake IE in downloads maybe, but how close is it to actual users using it. I downloaded the software at leat 10 times, and un-install it a few minutes later after I try it out and see it still renders many websites wrong. :)

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Whenever did non-unique downloads equal linear increase in market saturation? :blink:

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Absolutely correct. Personally I have downloaded firefox 1.0, 1.0.1, 1.0.2 and 1.0.3 hoping that they have fixed the popup blocker. Each time I have been disappointed and scrubbed it to go back to IE (using the google popup blocker that works a treat)

I would suggest that a lot of the 50 mil would be people 'giving-it-a-go' only.

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lol, I am waitng for the 64x toasters and the dual core ones  :rofl:

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I have a dual-core toaster.. It can do 4 slices :yes: :rofl:

How closely does the no. of downloads correlate to number of users? Nobody knows, and nobody from the Mozilla foundation is even suggesting that they equal eachother.

Downloads are downloads, and which ever way you look at it, it's still an impressive number.

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I have a dual-core toaster.. It can do 4 slices :yes: :rofl:

How closely does the no. of downloads correlate to number of users? Nobody knows, and nobody from the Mozilla foundation is even suggesting that they equal eachother.

Downloads are downloads, and which ever way you look at it, it's still an impressive number.

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Thats just ignorance. They don't want to release how many unique downloads there are because..there aren't that many.

I could in theory write Hello World, released it on the net, get 10 ppl to d/l it 5million times each, and in theory, spread it to the world since OMG my Hello World program was just downloaded 50 million times!!! :yes:

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Thats just ignorance. They don't want to release how many unique downloads there are because..there aren't that many.

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here comes the conspiracy theory.

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you spout about non unique downloads... but 1 download to a school could have 2000 people using it.

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Good point. It is also important to note that people are actively seeking out Firefox (and Opera) rather than use something that is already installed on their systems. People wouldn't bother if they weren't genuinely interested in the product, and in the case of Opera they even choose to pay for something Microsoft is giving out for free. That is a significant trend.

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Thats just ignorance. They don't want to release how many unique downloads there are because..there aren't that many.

I could in theory write Hello World, released it on the net, get 10 ppl to d/l it 5million times each, and in theory, spread it to the world since OMG my Hello World program was just downloaded 50 million times!!! :yes:

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There's people that download one copy and install it on many systems, and there's people that download the thing 5 times (count the updates into that number).

I wonder how many people actually think that ~50 million users use Firefox.

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When was IE ever free o.O. You "pay" for it through Windows, so it isn't "free", it's included.

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And don't forget you also have to pay for your computer hardware and the electricity bill to run the computer. Not to mention those Macintoshes can be pretty expensive machines considering that you only want to run an out-dated IE.

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How closely does the no. of downloads correlate to number of users? Nobody knows, and nobody from the Mozilla foundation is even suggesting that they equal eachother.

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I think it is implied:

50 Million downloads:

They said browsers were dead. They said open source would never penetrate the mainstream. But you've never cared much for rules, have you? And now we're blazing a trail to 50 million downloads worldwide. As we turn open source into a household word and reassert the supremacy of simplicity, we are making waves?and starting fires. ...

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Just because they are saying it's getting to be a well-known brand, doesn't mean that 50m people downloaded and used it... I bet alot of people know about it and don't use it too.

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Just because they are saying it's getting to be a well-known brand, doesn't mean that 50m people downloaded and used it... I bet alot of people know about it and don't use it too.

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So then why advertise 50 million downloads when it doesn't prove anything yet put such emphasis on "open source would never penetrate the mainstream"?

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^ I agree with, Aznx.

And before anyone says that numbers don't matter, read at how serious the Firefox devs become when someone challenges those numbers:

Today, TechWeb has an article that flat out lies about the Firefox 1.0 downloads and claims Opera has had a bigger launch. I'm not sure where they got these bogus, lowball stats, but they need to hear from you all that such blatant factual errors or misrepresentations are not acceptable. ...

And C|net is falling down on the job, too, claiming that it took us five days to hit 1 million downloads. This so-called journalist needs to hear from you all too. Please quote C|Net's original article that refutes this new one about as directly as anything else. The incompetence just amazes me. ...

It's time for us to start pushing back on this kind of garbage. If you see any articles spreading this crap, I encourage you to write to their authors and editors and demand better.

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And don't forget you also have to pay for your computer hardware and the electricity bill to run the computer. Not to mention those Macintoshes can be pretty expensive machines considering that you only want to run an out-dated IE.

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So are you telling me that if I use Firefox, I will no longer need electricity for my computer? That's brilliant!

Look, IE comes free with Windows. This should have been made illegal to begin with, but the DOJ are in Bill Gates' pocket because he's one of America's top cash cows. People who have Windows and have received IE for "free" with it (sort of like getting AIDS for free) are still going to the trouble to find and download Firefox and Opera. They even pay for Opera in some cases. I think that is more telling than the number of downloads, which is inaccurate for many reasons; one of them being that Firefox can be downloaded from numerous locations which are not being counted, and another being that there's no way to tell how much each copy is then redistributed in mass deployments in schools, businesses, etc. Besides that, what about the people compiling their own customized versions, and browser variants using the Gecko engine?

Do you understand yet? :laugh: With IE, you are getting one copy of IE with each copy of Windows, but you are not assured that it is being used.

Lastly, you can't even tell by web stats because Firefox and Opera users often masquerade as IE users to get into websites that only support proprietary IE scripting.

I bet right now the real marketshare of IE is around 80% and sinking.

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So are you telling me that if I use Firefox, I will no longer need electricity for my computer? That's brilliant!

Look, IE comes free with Windows. This should have been made illegal to begin with, but the DOJ are in Bill Gates' pocket because he's one of America's top cash cows. People who have Windows and have received IE for "free" with it (sort of like getting AIDS for free) are still going to the trouble to find and download Firefox and Opera. They even pay for Opera in some cases. I think that is more telling than the number of downloads, which is inaccurate for many reasons; one of them being that Firefox can be downloaded from numerous locations which are not being counted, and another being that there's no way to tell how much each copy is then redistributed in mass deployments in schools, businesses, etc. Besides that, what about the people compiling their own customized versions, and browser variants using the Gecko engine?

Do you understand yet?  :laugh: With IE, you are getting one copy of IE with each copy of Windows, but you are not assured that it is being used.

Lastly, you can't even tell by web stats because Firefox and Opera users often masquerade as IE users to get into websites that only support proprietary IE scripting.

I bet right now the real marketshare of IE is around 80% and sinking.

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So if IE comes with Windows and should be made illegal, all that crap included in OSX should be illegal too..but I don't see you whining about that. Your too bias. Also, why must one dig around the internet just to find a "faster" version of Firefox which is optimized for a specific processor line, why can't Firefox be "optimized" to run fast in the first place? I don't see anything preventing that.

Also what do other browsers compiled on Gecko have to do with Firefox? nothing....

You bring up a good point, just because IE comes with Windows, it doesn't mean people use it. So it should also apply to, just because someone downloads Firefox, it doesn't mean they use it. Which in turn means there is no accurate way of measuring Firefox's market.

To have to masquerade FF/Opera to IE, means that is just one of the shortcoming of the browser in question, why can't it "emulate" it, instead of masquerade. It should do better than to trick websites.

I bet the real % of people using Firefox is about equivelant to the % of people using Macs, give or take, 5%. Dismal.

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Also, why must one dig around the internet just to find a "faster" version of Firefox which is optimized for a specific processor line, why can't Firefox be "optimized" to run fast in the first place? I don't see anything preventing that.

Because the builds from MoFo and built for maximun compatibility, not optimisation

Which in turn means there is no accurate way of measuring Firefox's market.

Apart from statistics from major polls and major websites showing the % of users visiting that site using each browser

To have to masquerade FF/Opera to IE, means that is just one of the shortcoming of the browser in question, why can't it "emulate" it, instead of masquerade. It should do better than to trick websites.

Because some websites activly look for IE and lock everything else out - even if the Gecko engine can render the site perfectly fine (for example, the UK National Lottery site used to do this)

I bet the real % of people using Firefox is about equivelant to the % of people using Macs, give or take, 5%. Dismal.

Alot of people don't know that there is another way to get on the internet to clicking the big blue E, so give it a while before people actually learn :)

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Because the builds from MoFo and built for maximun compatibility, not optimisation

Apart from statistics from major polls and major websites showing the % of users visiting that site using each browser

Because some websites activly look for IE and lock everything else out - even if the Gecko engine can render the site perfectly fine (for example, the UK National Lottery site used to do this)

Alot of people don't know that there is another way to get on the internet to clicking the big blue E, so give it a while before people actually learn :)

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Compatibility to what? O.o

Polls can be lied to. Major websites, didn't you just say FF/Opera had to mask itself as IE? How could the websites show accurately the % of FF/Opera users? So there is still no way to tell.

There must be a reason why they look for IE right? They can't just be that bored..

Well atleast the name of "Internet Explorer" means something to them, it means they can get on the Internet through that program. What in the world does Mozilla Firefox mean, nothing...Atleast they should choose a name people could easily recognize. If you want it mainstream, choose a better name.

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compatibility: if you compile with SSE(2) instructions, processors without SSE(2) won't be able to run it, and other stuff like that.

Polls can be lied to, but why?

FF doesn't mask itself as IE unless you download, install and configure an extension (such as User Agent Switcher), opera identifies as both IE and Opera, and can be just IE with a bult-in config AFAIK.

Heres how you accuratly count the %: http://awstats.sourceforge.net/ - or some other program like that.

As far as the name goes, it's not just about the name.. and anyways "hoover" hasn't really got anything to do with vacuum cleaning, yet most people call vacuum cleaners "hoovers" over here.

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compatibility: if you compile with SSE(2) instructions, processors without SSE(2) won't be able to run it, and other stuff like that.

Polls can be lied to, but why?

FF doesn't mask itself as IE unless you download, install and configure an extension (such as User Agent Switcher), opera identifies as both IE and Opera, and can be just IE with a bult-in config AFAIK.

Heres how you accuratly count the %: http://awstats.sourceforge.net/ - or some other program like that.

As far as the name goes, it's not just about the name.. and anyways "hoover" hasn't really got anything to do with vacuum cleaning, yet most people call vacuum cleaners "hoovers" over here.

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They could have added a button to turn those optimzations off..but apparently they don't know how to code that in.

Polls are lied to, trust me, they are. Just ask men and women how many people they've slept with, men will usually say more than they have, women will usually say less than they have. Due to men wanting to sound "cool", and women not wanting to sound "slutty".

Are you sure FF identifies itself as Firefox? O.o

Where in the world do you live? Nobody calls vacuum cleaners "Hoovers"..O.o People call band-aids band-aids, and tissue paper, kleenex, but that is only because the brand has been there for a LONG LONG time. Firefox..wasn't first, and doesn't convey any "real" meaning to your average Joe or Jane.

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So if IE comes with Windows and should be made illegal, all that crap included in OSX should be illegal too..but I don't see you whining about that.

That's because OSX has a .000000000000000000001 marketshare. But I agree, they shouldn't be allowed to do it either. All protocols on the internet should be open-sourced. You can have a built-in browser, but that browser should use established standards, not corrupt them for evil purposes like IE does.

Your too bias.

LOL. Nice try, but I'm not a Mac fan. I'm not a Linux fan either. I don't see why M$ can't be criticized when it does bad things.

Also, why must one dig around the internet just to find a "faster" version of Firefox which is optimized for a specific processor line, why can't Firefox be "optimized" to run fast in the first place? I don't see anything preventing that.

By default, it is optimized for compatibility, the same way IE is. You can get *further* optimized versions for your specific hardware. Might not make a difference on a P4, but if you have a Pentium 1, or a 64 bit processor, it makes a difference.

Also what do other browsers compiled on Gecko have to do with Firefox? nothing....

Explain "compiled on Gecko." Gecko isn't a programming language, it is the layout engine used in Firefox. It's like the IE layout engine, so it is what websites have to conform to. Unlike IE, however, it uses open standards, rather than corrupt proprietary ones M$ uses to try to control the internet and commerce.

Are you sure you're not a troll?

You bring up a good point, just because IE comes with Windows, it doesn't mean people use it. So it should also apply to, just because someone downloads Firefox, it doesn't mean they use it. Which in turn means there is no accurate way of measuring Firefox's market.

To have to masquerade FF/Opera to IE, means that is just one of the shortcoming of the browser in question, why can't it "emulate" it, instead of masquerade. It should do better than to trick websites.

Ok, now I am sure you're a troll.

I bet the real % of people using Firefox is about equivelant to the % of people using Macs, give or take, 5%. Dismal.

Read it and weep:

http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp

IE 64%, FF/Mozilla 28%.

That might be optimistic considering the site, but even if you give IE another 15%, it's still down to about 80%, rather than the 90+ that M$ claims. Maybe M$ measures their statistics by the browsers used for Windows Update. :laugh:

Go look at other statistics if you want, but you'll find that IE is sinking fast in all of them.

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You can have a built-in browser, but that browser should use established standards, not corrupt them for evil purposes like IE does.

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The engine in Safari, bundled with OS X as the default browser, is KHTML. Which is just a variant of Gecko, and equally as open-source.

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