BBC Broadcasting on the Internet now

[TheWebJunkie]

wicked :)

[sameyeam]

Look, I just want to make one thing clear. Everyone who is viewing this stream and is NOT in the UK  or who has NOT paid their license fee is committing a felony.

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I'm sorry, but no. You're talking complete crap here and needlessly scaremongering.

The BBC has paid a licence to the content producer to broadcast, for example "Indiana Jones"...whether you as a viewer watch it over the net or through a TV isn't all that relevant unless the terms of that licence specifically forbid it. I think it's safe to say that this is not the case. No company is stupid enough to make a mistake like that, especially not the BBC. Obviously this is just a test - but I'm sure that the providers of the content that is being broadcast are aware of it, and more than likely charging the BBC extra for the privilege.

Secondly, this is not a felony. You're talking nonsense by making such a rash statement. First of all - there's no such thing as a felony under British law and second of all - a felony is traditionally considered a crime against the country and/or it's citizens. Breach of copyright...which is what this would be, if it wasn't licensed (see above) is generally considered a breach of civil law only - in other words your legal problem is with a third party, not the government.

Now - whether it's morally right that people from outside the UK can watch for free what we've paid for is another question...but it's NOT illegal.

[Yazoo]

I'm sorry, but no. You're talking complete crap here and needlessly scaremongering.

The BBC has paid a licence to the content producer to broadcast, for example "Indiana Jones"...whether you as a viewer watch it over the net or through a TV isn't all that relevant unless the terms of that licence specifically forbid it. I think it's safe to say that this is not the case. No company is stupid enough to make a mistake like that, especially not the BBC. Obviously this is just a test - but I'm sure that the providers of the content that is being broadcast are aware of it, and more than likely charging the BBC extra for the privilege.

Secondly, this is not a felony. You're talking nonsense by making such a rash statement. First of all - there's no such thing as a felony under British law and second of all - a felony is traditionally considered a crime against the country and/or it's citizens. Breach of copyright...which is what this would be, if it wasn't licensed (see above) is generally considered a breach of civil law only - in other words your legal problem is with a third party, not the government.

Now - whether it's morally right that people from outside the UK can watch for free what we've paid for is another question...but it's NOT illegal.

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The bbc has to follow the legal obligations set out by the regulators here in the UK. As this was a trial they would have had permission to broadcast what they did. Read everything here When it does go live only UK will get the same as terrestial TV. The rest of the world will get different content.

Now if someone outside of the UK found a way to view UK's version then it would be illegal. As no one was aware that it was a trial he was right in saying what he did.

If that did ever happen the regulator will have the service stopped.

[ehlo]

It is ashame none of the streams work. They should work better when they are non-testing (Y)

Has anybody been able to get either unicast,multicast or ssm to work for any of the channels listed on the support page working under Bt with Realplayer alternative?

[Jambooo]

Streams worked absolutely perfectly yesterday with both RealPlayer and Media Player classic... now they don't :(

[TheLegendOfMart]

Reported. I'm trying to stop a crime. You, sir, are just flaming.

Just grow up a bit, okay? Evading the license fee is illegal. I pay it, therefore I get to watch it. If you don't pay, you shouldn't watch. If you disagree, they can come and sue you. And if you don't pay, I hope you get caught, okay?

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It may be illegal but what gives you the right to judge anyone who may or may not pay for it, or enforce it for that matter.... I pay my way just like anyone else, but im not a complete ###### about it like you.

Oh, and your "friend" is a worthless cheap-ar** freeloader too. Okay?

Talk about hippocritical.

[Julius Caro]

Even though I understand those who dislike the idea of people outside the UK getting to watch the BBC for free, I don't think that's a reason to a start a flame war like this. None of us has got the right to say "Hey you outsiders stop watching OUR channels, that's illegal".

The only TV channel I've watched over the internet was an argentinan one. The quality sucked anyway. I'm argentinan but I don't live there, and I think it's a really good idea to be able to watch TV over the internet.

Those who pay for the BBC have your rights to complain. But blaming the people who just follow the link to watch is IS NOT a solution. If this were definitive, then you should think about filling some legal complain against BBC for showing for free the same content you pay for. But it's obvious that that wasn't definitive. Come on, that's just crazy... <b>free</b> movies and TV shows?? In the world that we live, that's doesn't really fit, sadly. The only good free thing I know is firefox :p

[CJ33]

I think you guys are taking this out of hand.. In America, we dont have to pay licensing fees or whatever.. just have to pay for cable tv or what not.. If I knew someone who didnt pay for cable, i would definitely not start up a huge fight.. I would feel happy for them.

As for ppl that think that their money is being used to fund all of this, so what. You paid your fee to watch. Its not your money any more, its theirs.

[DaveLegg Developer]

It appears that the BBC have stopped the live streaming of BBCs 1, 2 and 4 now. They worked fine yesturday but don't work today. They have also been removed from the streams list found at http://support.bbc.co.uk/multicast/streams.html

[HilariousNinja]

Yeh, because all this was just a trial to check out how it is. Check Jedimark's first post.

[Mayn1ac]

There are too many guys here getting worked up about nothing....

What we ought to be looking at from within the UK is a media\broadcast company that is willing to embrace the net and new methods of broadcasting.... evolving tv :)

The more corps that start looking forward instead of crying about mp3 rips and the like the better.

We ought to be proud that a British organisation is willing to get involved. We once led the world with innovation, now some of you guys are crying about your license fee, come on and see the bigger picture.

I want to see all tv station around the world, free to 'air' over the web to anyone, that is the way forward surely ? :D

[Yazoo]

We pay a licence pay, or some of us do, so the BBC can fund better technology and better programmes (sic) for us British. Not so the BBC can invest in providing services to people abroad. The BBC knows this, otherwise they face the wrath of the regulators, and that's why when this service goes live only the UK will get the full content. With everyone else getting restricted content.

The licence fee we British pay is not like buying cable or satellite time, it is purely to fund the BBC and all its ventures. This includes actor fees, production costs and everything else that goes into the day to day running of the BBC.

As long as I am paying a fee, I want my money to go towards providing me with quality content not some free-loader abroad.

[VLL]

There are too many guys here getting worked up about nothing....

What we ought to be looking at from within the UK is a media\broadcast company that is willing to embrace the net and new methods of broadcasting.... evolving tv  :)

The more corps that start looking forward instead of crying about mp3 rips and the like the better.

We ought to be proud that a British organisation is willing to get involved. We once led the world with innovation, now some of you guys are crying about your license fee, come on and see the bigger picture.

I want to see all tv station around the world, free to 'air' over the web to anyone, that is the way forward surely ?  :D

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Well said....

Couldnt agree more.

[+M2Ys4U Subscriber¹]

you pay for the ability to recieve the BBC's programming (i.e. a TV tuner)

[+M2Ys4U Subscriber¹]

There are too many guys here getting worked up about nothing....

What we ought to be looking at from within the UK is a media\broadcast company that is willing to embrace the net and new methods of broadcasting.... evolving tv  :)

The more corps that start looking forward instead of crying about mp3 rips and the like the better.

We ought to be proud that a British organisation is willing to get involved. We once led the world with innovation, now some of you guys are crying about your license fee, come on and see the bigger picture.

I want to see all tv station around the world, free to 'air' over the web to anyone, that is the way forward surely ?  :D

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:yes: I agree

[tomd84]

yep me to its only a tv channel

[Colin-uk Veteran]

Using a TV or any other device to receive or record TV programmes (for example, a VCR, set-top box, DVD recorder or PC with a broadcast card) without a without a valid TV Licence is against the law and could lead to prosecution and a fine of up to ?1,000, not to mention the embarrassment and hassle of a court appearance.

Exactly,UP TO> its not always ?1,000. (did you not read it properly?)

Try going overseas at watching US tv, with its "infomercials" and all. Or perhaps you feel that piracy is justified if you download a ****ty pop mp3, as opposed to good music?

What has "good music" got to do with watching BBC over the net:wacko:o:

The mods do know. Those in the US, with a US IP, or those who even post that they're in the US or otherwise who say that they're watching the stream are liable.

Yes the Mods know the IP's, they dont know if the user has a TV License

:rolleyes:s:

Edited May 2, 2005 by Colin-uk

[Julius Caro]

It's not illegal as long as BBC is broadcasting it. Perhaps, since when has the british law become universal?

[OldeCrow]

waaaa.. must be a good year for wine over the pond, you guys keep crying about it, Ill watch whatever i want, but i sure wont be back in this topic to listen you you sissy's again (N) :x

[Bhav]

It appears that the BBC have stopped the live streaming of BBCs 1, 2 and 4 now. They worked fine yesturday but don't work today. They have also been removed from the streams list found at http://support.bbc.co.uk/multicast/streams.html

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you could have looked at any one of the 17 pages before this one and found that out.

[jon86]

I was watching the snooker final on BBC 2 online (http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsa/n5ctrl/sport/live/bb/rm/video/ukonly/sol_now7a_bb.ram) and was curious to see what would happen after the snooker and am amazed to find that the BBC is streaming BBC 2! :)

[y0sh]

Excuse me people, but I think this BBC thing is for people like me. :D

British and American. Living in London and NJ. Travelling back and forth every couple of months. My mom/step dad pay our TV licenses in London, so it's all good. This way, I can watch my british stuff when I'm back in the states.

Even though I don't watch BBC.. I watch Sky One. Give me Sky One, and then I'll be happy. :D

..or a way to get Comedy Central in London. :(

I'm going to miss Chappelle's show Season 3. :cry: :cry: waah

[Stonkwell Bogtrotter]

to be honest the license fee needs scrapping and we should be able to subscribe to what bbc channels we want like we do with sky TV.

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And look at how bad Sky is! Full of adverts, cheap tacky "how i got ****ed in town" type programming. Loads of infomercials and "teleshopping".

Na, at 33 pence per day, the Licence is very good value for money!

[Stonkwell Bogtrotter]

Look, I just want to make one thing clear. Everyone who is viewing this stream and is NOT in the UK  or who has NOT paid their license fee is committing a felony.

When you watch this stream, and you are in Canada, the US, France, Australia, etc..., you are doing the exact same as downloading an illegal mp3 or a movie from the internet, it is piracy from a news station with a royal charter.

Neowin discussion rules dictate:

"Rule #2:No Warez (links) & Cracks: help, requests or posts that discuss circumvention. This includes linking to illegally obtained software, movies & music files - posting about it, and suggesting to get it."

Anyone from the US saying: ooh, I got to watch this stream, commiting the same offense as saying: ooh, I just downloaded a pirated version of xp and have just installed it. Can mods either outright ban or at least warn people who do this, and at least edit the original post/title to WARN ALL NON-LICENSE FEE PAYERS THAT WATCHING THIS, FOR THEM, IS ILLEGAL.

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lol - you really don' t know what you're talking about do you? You are speakng ABSOLUTE BOLLTWADDLE!

How the hell can you compare an open BBC Test stream to downloading illegal software/mp3s???

lol - some people :rolleyes:

:no: :blink: :wacko:

[Corona]

LOL