Aaron Veteran Posted May 4, 2005 Veteran Share Posted May 4, 2005 Do you feel like posting this one too? (I believe it focusses on the other girl)http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/08/nyregion/08suicide.html 585871571[/snapback] I can't it is too old and archived and they want me to buy it. Sorry that reaches my limit on sacrifices for Neowin. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Derf Veteran Posted May 4, 2005 Veteran Share Posted May 4, 2005 That coupled with the fact that the author is avery well known (or so I thought) adversary of any and all things realting to Bush and Conservatives. I am dismissing the article becuase it is very light on facts and heavy on emotional language. First of all what is a cartoonist doing writing news articles? Why hasn't NBC, CBS, ABC, Fox, BBC, Al Jazerra, picke dup on this? Why is a fricking cartoonist the first to break it?EDIT: Fred666 just posted the NYT article - damn you simultanaposts! 585871534[/snapback] To be pessimistic and sarcastic... Maybe the major networks were too busy covering the story of a white girl who ran away from her fianc?. (I don't really care if the dates match, it's more the implication) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lav-chan Posted May 4, 2005 Share Posted May 4, 2005 That coupled with the fact that the author is avery well known (or so I thought) adversary of any and all things realting to Bush and Conservatives. I am dismissing the article becuase it is very light on facts and heavy on emotional language. First of all what is a cartoonist doing writing news articles? Why hasn't NBC, CBS, ABC, Fox, BBC, Al Jazerra, picke dup on this? Why is a fricking cartoonist the first to break it?EDIT: Fred666 just posted the NYT article - damn you simultanaposts! 585871534[/snapback] He's not the first to pick up on it. Besides the one in the initial post and the NYT one that fred666 linked to, there are: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/08/nyregion/08suicide.html (an earlier one from the NYT) http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/42349.htm http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/041005D.shtml http://www.centredaily.com/mld/centredaily...by/11340281.htm (i don't understand the URL for this one, but OK...) http://www.cageprisoners.com/articles.php?id=6610 http://www.thenation.com/blogs/outrage?bid=13&pid=2316 http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/4/9/7440/37974 (i can't STAND Daily Kos, worst site ever, but it links to a bunch of those other articles and has some (admittedly terribly biassed) discussion about it too) http://www.lifeorliberty.org/libertyblog/a...ves/000092.html The reason your 'cartoonist' is writing about it is apparently the fact that everybody else seems to have forgotten about it. I don't doubt that a lot of those articles are written by mindless Bush-bashers, but that doesn't change the facts. If the articles are stretching the truth, someone needs to explain to us why. The fact that it's written by some idiot doesn't necessarily mean that it's wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Veteran Posted May 4, 2005 Veteran Share Posted May 4, 2005 To be pessimistic and sarcastic...Maybe the major networks were too busy covering the story of a white girl who ran away from her fianc?. (I don't really care if the dates match, it's more the implication) 585871588[/snapback] No doubt sensational stories about pretty, rich whites draw more ratings and revenue than poor minority realted stories. but, seeing as this is related to the War on Terrrr I just assumed somone would be making an issue. Especially whne you see these articles are coming on a month old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Derf Veteran Posted May 4, 2005 Veteran Share Posted May 4, 2005 I can't it is too old and archived and they want me to buy it. Sorry that reaches my limit on sacrifices for Neowin. ;) 585871585[/snapback] For years, the father said, he watched as his daughter, now 16, became more and more drawn to the family's Muslim religion. At 14, she began wearing a full-length veil and teaching religion classes at mosques around the city.A year ago, she withdrew from her Manhattan high school because, a school official said, she felt uncomfortable with typical teenage banter. She told her family she wanted to go to an Islamic all-girls school, and when they could not afford to send her, she chose to study at home. The father, a Bangladeshi watch salesman who describes himself as far more devoted to American education than to prayer after 13 years as an immigrant illegally in the United States, said he pushed for his daughter to return to public school. Then last fall, the daughter he also describes as loving Bollywood soap operas and shopping with girlfriends startled him and her mother by seeking their approval to marry a young American Muslim man they had never met and whom she barely knew. The father refused the marriage overtures, which were made by the young man's father in a call from Michigan. A few months later, when the teenager stayed out overnight for the first time, the father, fearing an elopement, went to the police for help. It is a decision he regrets deeply. His daughter and another 16-year-old girl are now described by the government as would-be suicide bombers and are being held in a detention center for illegal immigrants in Pennsylvania. He is sure that his visit to the police set off the F.B.I. investigation that led to a chilling assertion, in a government document, that the girls are "an imminent threat to the security of the United States based on evidence that they plan to be suicide bombers." Family and friends call that absurd. The document, provided to The New York Times by a federal agent on Wednesday, did not describe the nature of the evidence. Yesterday, after repeated inquiries, officials from several agencies involved in the investigation, including Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the F.B.I. and the New York Police Department, would not comment on the case. http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:z2yf4...lient=firefox-a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mAcOdIn Veteran Posted May 4, 2005 Veteran Share Posted May 4, 2005 Thanks for editing my post Fred, I just remembered the on-screen keyboard. Thanks for the other articles guys, doesn't change my mind on the matter though. I think the whole situation is BS. Really makes me wonder why the cuban kid was a huge story under Clinton but that this one is a non-issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Derf Veteran Posted May 4, 2005 Veteran Share Posted May 4, 2005 Thanks for editing my post Fred, I just remembered the on-screen keyboard.Thanks for the other articles guys, doesn't change my mind on the matter though. I think the whole situation is BS. Really makes me wonder why the cuban kid was a huge story under Clinton but that this one is a non-issue. 585871624[/snapback] Maybe the girls aren't very pretty (or just always covered up). People like to defend cute things. Kittens, baby seals, etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lav-chan Posted May 4, 2005 Share Posted May 4, 2005 Michael Jackson... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamz Veteran Posted May 4, 2005 Veteran Share Posted May 4, 2005 lmao at some of the posts here. it was too funny. the original article (it's clear from the rhetoric) was a biased piece. even if it were true, and even if the facts (which were not there) were supported by evidence beyond a doubt, it's hard to put much faith in an article written with a clear agenda (even if you believe in that ideology). none of us really knows what federal intelligence thought. apparently, these girls are dangerous enough that they needed to have been reprimanded, but, really, is that the case? they seem to have a logic of which we are unaware: if they are muslim, then they are a possible threat. if they belong to a fundamentalist mosque, they are a possible threat. unless it can be proven that they are dangerous, it seems unfair to deport them for crimes they were unable to commit. the rigidity of the law does no one any benefit here. furthermore, they should not be detained on the basis of a probability. they are innocent until they have committed a crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mAcOdIn Veteran Posted May 4, 2005 Veteran Share Posted May 4, 2005 if they are muslim, then they are a possible threat. 585871738[/snapback] Right, this is how we're going to act now huh? You can't use your above statement and "innocent until proven guilty" in the same post, they can't co-exist. edit: unless I'm misreading yourstatement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamz Veteran Posted May 4, 2005 Veteran Share Posted May 4, 2005 Right, this is how we're going to act now huh?You can't use your above statement and "innocent until proven guilty" in the same post, they can't co-exist. edit: unless I'm misreading yourstatement. 585871762[/snapback] you must have misunderstood my post. i was pointing out their (i.e. the government) logic, and how it's a false implication, which cannot be used to detain innocent people with a mere probability of threat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rumbleph1$h Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 you must have misunderstood my post. i was pointing out their (i.e. the government) logic, and how it's a false implication, which cannot be used to detain innocent people with a mere probability of threat. 585871772[/snapback] Last I checked, conspiracy and probability were not the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamz Veteran Posted May 6, 2005 Veteran Share Posted May 6, 2005 Last I checked, conspiracy and probability were not the same thing. 585878781[/snapback] they must be careful not to trample over anyone's rights in the name of security. they must have forgotten all about freedom. it's only a short trip to salem from here. and if i denounce the us in the name of justice, am i conspiring? do the powers-that-be arbitrarily decide? and what if they really are innocent? what then? a quick apology? "oh, sorry, we, the government, have failed you." it's an irreparable injustice. for everyone's sake, they had better been conspiring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted May 7, 2005 Share Posted May 7, 2005 it's only a short trip to salem from here. 585878956[/snapback] yeah im sure we need another crucible. =\ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fagutish Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 so let me get this straight, this girl had some kind of identity crisis, and then the FBI came and took her away? NIIIICE.... is it just me or is more and more real news really really depressing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeyClaw Veteran Posted May 14, 2005 Veteran Share Posted May 14, 2005 this is starting to frighten me, i constantly everyday at school lunch speak out against the oppressive bush regime and well i think its just a matter of time before they come and get me for being a terrorist. i mean please, this has gone way to far, no warrent, arresting a fricken kid, in the name of FREEDOM! i do hope people realize this is the begining of the end, lol... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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