sdb815 Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the parents paid for cheerleading. So shouldn't it be left up to the parents to decide what dances the girls do? I know that when I was in high school each girl had to pay like $500 to join the squad. Besides, the goverment should be encouraging kids to take up extra curricular activities, it's a lot better than having them turn to drugs or crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lav-chan Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 It doesn't matter who pays for it. Even if the parents don't pay for it, i really doubt the government pays for it (like 90% of a school's funding comes from local property taxes and things like that, not from the government), anyway. The point is that it's a school activity. It's organised by the school, they do it at the school, they do it on behalf of the school. And the government is not discouraging cheer-leading. 'Cheer-leading' is kicking and waving and jumping. The government has nothing against that. What they're discouraging is XFL-style tease shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiefChickenWing Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 I just need to be clear on one thing. The UNIFORMS these teens are shaking it in, they arent suggestive or sexualy provocative in any way. Its the DANCE steps they are doing that are suggestive, and what needs to be changed. Correct? Personally, I find it amazing that this, of all issues, is causing enough of a stir to even consider putting something like this into law. Most cheerleading squads are required to participate in fund raiser activitys, and there is a large part of these programs that are NOT funded by the state, or federal government. If the parents disagree with what the teens are doing, they have the right to enforce their own rules, to stop their children from participating in these functions. And if the school has issues with the perfomances these kids are giving, they have the right to change it, and a much better abillity to determine the limits and bounderies to be put in place. Its hillarious and sad, all at the same time, that people view this as good, simply because they see this as a way to stop teens dancing in front of others in a suggestive manner. Hehehehe. [one kid to another, at the football game] Ah yeah!!, she's shaking her booty in "that way" again....man, thats....crazy, I need to get laid now. [other kid replys] And thats different than any other time of the day you see a hot chick?!? [other kid says back] Well, yeah, duh. Cheerleaders, and their routines, are KNOWN to cause teens to want to have sex, its not our hormones, its not our innexperience and curiousity, its the ROUTINES, see? [other kid walks away, wondering when his friend became an idiot] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lav-chan Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 That is an idiotic arguement. 'They should be allowed to do it because it happens in other places.' I should be allowed to buy cigarettes for random kids on the street, because if i don't they'll just steal it or get it from their friends anyway. Driver's ed teachers should be allowed to show kids how to hot-wire cars, because if they don't the kids'll just look it up on the Internet or ask their friends. Everybody should just walk around cursing at each other. When you walk into a convenience store, the clerk should greet you with 'what the hell do you want, bitch?' People are going to be rude to you in your life anyway, so why not convenience-store clerks? Teachers should help their students cheat on tests. If they don't do it, their friends will. Stores should sell smut magazines to children. No, stores should sell everything to children. Hey, if a kid wants a Hustler magazine or a bottle of Bacardi, they're going to get it from their friends anyway, so why not? The government should allow people to drive without a licence. People do it all the time anyway, right? Schools should organise and sponsor lap-dance squads. If they don't do it, kids will just get off to porn on the Internet anyway, yeah? It is like people just argue against this for the pure sake of it. Is it honestly a GIGANTIC affront to your rights as a human being that the government doesn't want to allow you to perform sexual dances on their property and on their behalf? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dashel Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 (edited) Actually yes, yes it is a gigantic affront to any nation that considers itself 'free'. It is even MORE of an affront when said nation pretends that its so abundantly free that it needs to export this freedom to others. Good post Chief, though didn't the outfit issue raise its ugly head a few years ago as well? Last time I checked they were still wearing skirts that are cut ABOVE the knee in Texas, the heathens. What kind of message are they trying to send anyway. Gimme a hotty in a short skirt and I'll show you a teenager with a boner and its got nothing to do with dancing. Edit: PS Kudos to the Footloose pic and all that it entails. Edited May 5, 2005 by Dashel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreAming in DigITal Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 The goverment should have NO INFLUENCE on how cheerleaders dance. Like I said...let the parents decide if the routines are too "racy". If they feel like it is then don't let your child participate...what stupid waste of taxpayers money even considering this. Like I said before...they are fully clothed and just DANCING. Some people consider ANY form of dancing to be too "racy" or "suggestive". Maybe we can make them cover their faces too? :rofl: There is no good arguement in support of this bill in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lav-chan Posted May 6, 2005 Share Posted May 6, 2005 Good post Chief, though didn't the outfit issue raise its ugly head a few years ago as well? Last time I checked they were still wearing skirts that are cut ABOVE the knee in Texas, the heathens. What kind of message are they trying to send anyway. Gimme a hotty in a short skirt and I'll show you a teenager with a boner and its got nothing to do with dancing.585878372[/snapback] Maybe you've never seen a cheer-leading uniform. The skirts have bottoms built into them. They are no more suggestive than dance leotards or bathing suits. They are not designed to get people off, they are designed to be festive and attractive without limiting movement. The fact is that cheer-leading is a serious activity for many people. It is not, despite what you see in movies, just a bunch of shapely girls shaking their groove things in front of a crowd of horny guys. (Well, it is in American football. Not in high school, though.) It is similar to synchronised swimming, figure-skating, and ballet. That is how it was developed, and that is how it was for many years. The idea that cheer-leading should be AT ALL sexually suggestive, in any way, is a result of a fetish that Hollywood has with the sport. The fact that maybe some guys think it is hot stems from their own fantasies, it is not the intended purpose of the activity. The goverment should have NO INFLUENCE on how cheerleaders dance.585878396[/snapback] They should if it's on their property and the cheer-leaders are dancing on behalf of an institution that they are responsible for. Why is this such a completely difficult concept for you to understand? The government CONTROLS THE SCHOOLS. It is as though you want to send your children to dance in my yard and then when i complain you say to me 'HEY, i'm the parent, i'll decide how my child dances'. THAT IS NOT THE POINT. The point is that you are in my yard, and the rights i have concerning my yard supercede the rights you have concerning how your children dance. Like I said...let the parents decide if the routines are too "racy". If they feel like it is then don't let your child participate...585878396[/snapback] Oh, yeah, that's a great idea. Here's your idea applied the exact same way to a different subject: Let's make it so that teachers are all allowed to teach Christianity in their classes. Don't interfere with them or anything, we'll just let parents decide if they want their kids to continue attending classes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Help Posted May 6, 2005 Share Posted May 6, 2005 I think anyone of us here realize how much tax dollars it takes to run state houses... I can't believe they are wasting ppl money, and time for this small matter... it's unacceptable. Much like paying someone $200 dollars to crack a nut. Totally unacceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lav-chan Posted May 6, 2005 Share Posted May 6, 2005 Yeah, it's not as acceptable as using tax money to ban homosexuals from adopting foster children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Laurë Veteran Posted May 6, 2005 Veteran Share Posted May 6, 2005 Well when I first read this article I was a little skeptical, thought it was a bit of an over reaction. And the idea that sexully suggestive dancing can lead to STDs and increased teenage pregnancies is a load of crap. However, I agree with lav-chan's points. The government has every right to decide what goes on within it's schools because of it's responsibilities. Rights and responsibilites come hand in hand. We don't have cheerleaders in every school in Britain, so I don't really have a clue what they get upto/are about except for the rubbish I have seen in Hollywood BS. However, I do know that I would have felt pretty uncomfortable seeing fellow pupils dancing in a sexually suggestive way. Most of the people opposing this are probably being influenced by their genitals and hormones much more than any desire to protect civil liberties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Veteran Posted May 6, 2005 Veteran Share Posted May 6, 2005 Most of the people opposing this are probably being influenced by their genitals and hormones much more than any desire to protect civil liberties. 585881536[/snapback] You may be right....I guess I'll have to stop being tolerant of homosexuality. After all they shouldn't be influenced by their sex drive and should just fall in line with how someone else wants them to express sexuality. This whole issue is nothing more than grand standing. There are already rules about going to far in every school. If it was a huge problem, parents would complain to school officals. School officals already err on the side of caution for fear of dealing with mouthy parents. There isn't even some sort of grassroots campaign for this either, just some guys crusade that is paying off hugely, he is getting noticed by more people than he has any right to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lav-chan Posted May 6, 2005 Share Posted May 6, 2005 Probably, but who cares? The guy sponsoring the bill is a complete tool, but it still shouldn't be allowed in the first place. Like i said in (i think) the other thread concerning this law: Sometimes the right things happen for the wrong reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glitch409 Posted May 7, 2005 Share Posted May 7, 2005 Mr. Edwards argued bawdy performances are a distraction for students resulting in pregnancies, dropouts and the spread of sexually transmitted diseases. :laugh: That made my day."Sexually suggestive dances are distracting to are American youth. They lead to over population, nuclear fallout, global warming, pollution, communism, volcanic activity, alien abductions, and last, but not least, the Olsen Twins releasing another movie. Do you want that!? Huh!? No, I didn't think so." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pto Posted May 7, 2005 Share Posted May 7, 2005 Guess where I live :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linsook Posted May 7, 2005 Share Posted May 7, 2005 gonna watch footloose again, what a great movie. everyoen go out and rent footloose staring kevin bacon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaZurk Posted May 7, 2005 Share Posted May 7, 2005 There goes all my fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3beanlimit Posted May 8, 2005 Share Posted May 8, 2005 I wonder if Mr. Edwards is also setting himself up as the offical "spanker" for when these "girls" misbehave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Douglas Posted May 8, 2005 Share Posted May 8, 2005 :laugh: That made my day."Sexually suggestive dances are distracting to are American youth. They lead to over population, nuclear fallout, global warming, pollution, communism, volcanic activity, alien abductions, and last, but not least, the Olsen Twins releasing another movie. Do you want that!? Huh!? No, I didn't think so." 585883466[/snapback] Don't forget impurification of our body fluids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digipoi Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 Damn girls. When are they going to look more like boys. ffft! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neoufo51 Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 Damn girls. When are they going to look more like boys. ffft! 585907904[/snapback] Uhhh... :huh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lav-chan Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 Pretty sure that was a sarcastic jab at the law-makers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speddy187 Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 Legislators in the American state of Texas yesterday voted to crack down on 'sexually suggestive' dance performances in schools. Famed for its Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders, Texas has introduced a law which is designed to ban dance routines by school cheerleaders and drill teams at sports events that one politician said was like something out of a strip club. Exposed midriffs and ever shorter shorts and skirts have particularly outraged some legislators. Joe Deshotel, a Democratic member of the Texas House of Representatives said the problem is "in the eye of the beholder". "Some of them are just downright vulgar, something you would see at an adult club or something," he said. One of the co-authors of the bill, Republican Corbin Van Arsdale, said many parents want restrictions because they go to Friday night games to see young men clashing on the football field, not girls shaking their behinds on the sidelines. "You've got children seeing things that their parents would rather them not see," Mr Van Arsdale said. The bill would allow the Texas Education Agency to police routines deemed vulgar or excessive, and force schools to take "appropriate action" to stop it. Harsher language, including a provision denying funding to schools that allow the practice to continue, was stripped from the bill. The proposed restrictions are not popular with the National Cheerleaders Association or the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU). Director of the ACLU Will Harrell says the new bill reminds him of Afghanistan's former ruling regime, the Taliban. "This broad, morally restrictive legislation reminds me of the Taliban," he said. "Why not go all the way? Why not require them all to wear a burqa?" The Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders began captivating audiences with their sexy drill team routines, knee-high white boots and low-cut tops, in the 1970s. Cheerleaders have since become a fixture of football games across the United States from high school to professional teams. In Texas, the obsession came into violent focus in 1991, when Wanda Holloway, nicknamed the "pompom mom", was accused of trying to murder the mother of her daughter's cheerleading rival. Supporters of the legislation say those kinds of excesses show why change is necessary. They want to take Texas back to simpler days, when drill teams performed traditional routines, wore patriotic clothing and longer skirts. The bill will still have to clear the state Senate and be approved by Governor Rick Perry before becoming law. Source Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bwizzel-B Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 Oh ffs, why cant fanatical christian idiots get a life.Honestly, another "only in America" situation. 585923023[/snapback] Well, your complete ignorance of most religions aside, it appears that it's dead for at least this year: Sexy cheerleading bill appears dead in Texas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L3thal Veteran Posted May 15, 2005 Veteran Share Posted May 15, 2005 Stupid bill if it were to be passed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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